Allagan Gear getting buffed to ilvl95.

[Teon]

Also, let's not forget those little abusers, scamming an invite for coil 5 and leaving, locking out players. If allagan weapon will be the best, everyone will try coil 5 (not having any idea of the content of turn 1-2-3-4), rushing a pug, finding himself locked out.
Fix your game, and make relic+1 on par with allagan weapon iLVL95, or many of us will be quite disappointed

How to turn this game to junk. I work for 3 weeks for the best weapon, relic +1, and a crapper loggin 1 hour on turn 5 beat last boss , RNG is favorable and he gets in 1 hour a weapon better than mine?
Are idiots working on that dev department or what

[Kaelon79]

If the bump is to be to weapons due to the difficulty of turn five as they are stating than that does raise other questions:

Paladin shield is considered a weapon slot and should have been on Twintania initially anyways and should be bumped up accordingly.

Other non weapon drops that drop off turn 5 like paladin helm, monk chest, etc should be moved to easier tiers if they are only going to upgrade weapons because of the difficulty of twintania

[Pellegri]

Nope, relic+1 will be a crapper weapon , this is the idiocity of Yoshi's liveletter (until we get a clarification)

Oh because relic +1 is so hard to get? I'm not sorry you feel you are entitled to the very best gear doing nothing more than spamming simple 5mans, let me get a tissue for you and not give it to you just to let the tears keep flowing.

How to turn this game to junk. I work for 3 weeks for the best weapon, relic +1, and a crapper loggin 1 hour on turn 5 beat last boss , RNG is favorable and he gets in 1 hour a weapon better than mine?
Are idiots working on that dev department or what

How to turn this game to junk. Cater to every ounce of casual whining and have the game turn into little more than a facebook game as there won't be any difficulty to getting anything. If you can't beat Twintania or even feel the need to go into coil, you do not need said gear from coil to run your content that is meant for 30 ilvls lower than what coil is meant for. Take your darklight and handout myth gear to get better at your speedruns all the while thinking that there should be no ounce of hard content in the game that is meant for people that actually like putting effort in to finding a group and learning mechanics.

It's 5 ilvls off the hardest boss in the game. You or anybody else will not even see a 1% increase over having it rather than a relic +1, if you can't understand that no content barring Twintania requires any form of min/maxing and believe you require the best of the best gear to do even the simplest of things then this is not the game for you. Hell mmos are not the genre for you because what this game does for gear is extremely tame compared to what others do.

So twintania wearing a full myth set (or mixed set with allagan pieces) and relic+1 is hard, and we need ilvl 95 weapons to win?
Owww, sorry if even wearing it you're still pwned and you have to pray RNG gods on that final chest with a 95 weapon to play it winning not stressed (what basically seems to be the reason of this buff)

Considering you do not even get an ilvl 95 weapon till after you beat Twintania I'd say no, no you do not need it to kill the boss. However the prize is there to reward people who defeated the hardest fight so far. They felt they should have a reward that signifies something other than derping your way through easy ak/wp runs, they feel having atleast a higher ilvl weapon is a good enough reward for being part of the few that put in the effort to get groups together, that put in the effort to spend weeks or even months working on a single boss to learn everything there is to the fight.

WE (i'm not the only guy here who wasted 3 weeks for a relic+1, you wield one too) wasted 3 weeks of myths, wasting days for a nice titan hm run, worthy to wear it, while a crapper with garuda weapon / relic not +1 will get a free BiS weapon in 1 hour with a lucky roll? Are you serious?

Who the hell is killing Twintania with a garuda weapon or even base relic weapons? Are you fucking insane? This boss cannot be killed without the vast majority of the raid being in full ilvl 90 gear including relic +1. If you honestly believe that you can roll through a boss that literally took 2 months before the best guild in the world downed it and think they did it with garuda or relic weps I will ask YOU, are YOU serious?

People literally spend MONTHS preparing for this fight, it's not something you will be even close to geared enough for in nothing more than 3 weeks. It's laughable that you can even get an ilvl 90 weapon through nothing more than grinding easy 4mans, but to have the balls to suggest that Twintania is easier and less time consuming than getting myth gear through 4mans or relic +1 is just so amazing it's not even funny.

A. Even with an ilvl 90 wep Twin is still extremely hard, a single dps higher ilvl 95 wep will change nothing to this fight.

B. So if a single group locks people out that automatically means everyone does amirite?

C. Your own fault trying to do this raid with randoms.

D. Relic wep and even relic +1 is required to kill this boss, how is it a waste that you put in an insignificant amount of time getting these things when they have the potential to lead to something even slightly better?

Also good luck getting into coil without a relic or doing the relic questchain....because coil has an attunement that requires you to do everything else first. Second good luck getting carried through this fight when if you actually knew the mechanics(I can clearly tell you don't) you'd know that 3 dps cannot carry the weight of a 4th through multiple phases or even the enrage.

Relic+1 and allagan 95 are both hard tasks. They must be on par as 95, period.

You don't seem to understand the difference between hard and time consuming, neither of which relic +1 is. I can literally login a few hours a week and derp my way through ak/wp runs for 3 weeks and come out with the best weapon in the game. You cannot go into coil and derp your way through a boss that people cannot be carried through. There's also the whole fact you've read nothing I've said where you would see that it takes months to get ready for this fight as far as gear goes, how does 3 weeks of easymode compare to several months of learning mechanics and banking on rng?

p.s. Bad news, i did twintania, and a skilled group with full 90 gear and 95 weapon can cover the 8th guy who bough the run, rezzed by the whm.

Next time hide your achievements, it might actually make you sound even remotely believable. Also boss sales are not "pick your own price", as the buyer you have no say in what other people charge. There's also quite a bit more than "10 people" in the world with several million.

[Pibz]

How to turn this game to junk. I work for 3 weeks for the best weapon, relic +1, and a crapper loggin 1 hour on turn 5 beat last boss , RNG is favorable and he gets in 1 hour a weapon better than mine?
Are idiots working on that dev department or what

Yeah thats all nice and good, except for one little thing you're forgetting, that "crapper" has most likely(99.99999%) gotten relic + 1 previously, because well, you know, you need relic for coil.
Also are you suggesting that it's easier to beat turn 5 than to get relic + 1? I seriously hope not.

So yes harder challenges give better reward(that's why they're changing it btw) .. go figure.

Also ilvl 95 is not for twintania but for upcoming challenges, obviously .

And get used to your gear being superseded, or you're in for a nasty ride

[TirionCrey]

So twintania wearing a full myth set (or mixed set with allagan pieces) and relic+1 is hard, and we need ilvl 95 weapons to win?
Owww, sorry if even wearing it you're still pwned and you have to pray RNG gods on that final chest with a 95 weapon to play it winning not stressed (what basically seems to be the reason of this buff)

WE (i'm not the only guy here who wasted 3 weeks for a relic+1, you wield one too) wasted 3 weeks of myths, wasting days for a nice titan hm run, worthy to wear it, while a crapper with garuda weapon / relic not +1 will get a free BiS weapon in 1 hour with a lucky roll? Are you serious?

Are you even serious? So a "crapper with Garuda weapon" suddenly beats Turn 5 with said equip? In one hour...and of course he gets the best weapon in the game...cause he was taken to Turn 5 with a Garuda weapon in the first place...
Do you think before posting?

Troll.

[TirionCrey]

Aha. I'll give you a better picture:
A: your group (except you) got his 95 weapon. They should pwn , because skilled and and wearing an uber weapon.
The 8th, a crapper (probably even dead waiting the end) wearing garuda clearly find himself winning and opening the box (RNG on his side), his weapon pops. Such a worthy player

B: Idiots locking out victims (we have a thread about it, did you read it? )

C: It's easy to post when you're part of a core group for coil, running every turn every week. Try to be kicked out of that core group, then post again. Good luck with random pugs

D: As you said, a worthy player may desire to get a ilvl95 weapon. So relic weapon, do all those server raids (chimera, hydra), beat all elementals (titan , wasting days to find a good group) was just a waste of time?

The consequence of D, as you can easily imagine will be: noone will run his relic hassle anymore, garuda weapon, 500k gil to a group with 95 weapon selling runs, and you're done (DL armor+ garuda is more than enough , when you know what to do on twintania and everyone is wearing a lvl95 weapon, skilled on that fight )

Can you see now how the game turns to junk?

Except that no group will be able to carry anyone on Twintania for quite a while(maybe even til 2.2) so all your points are invalid. Most groups who actually beat Twintania have Relic+1...itemlvl90. Itemlvl95 won't magically erase the neccesitty of a "good 8th" person.

All you basically proven with your post is that you don't have the slightest idea about Twintania and that you seriously think 7 itemlvl95 people can carry a DL/Garuda Weap person with ease...

I do all my stuff with my FC...I have a static for Coil and I do Relic related stuff usually with PUGs til Garuda/Titan, then I do the rest with my FC. I finished some of my Relics in one day, doing every single fight with PUGS except for Titan. Titan is not a hard encounter, it's a movement check and as in most MMORPGs majority sucks at just playing good in general.

PS: If any FC would be able to carry a person through Twintania which I can assure you, nobody can as of this moment and nobody will be able to anytime soon...they would charge 5M, not 500k...
And no I don't see how the game would be broken all of a sudden...cause itemlvl95 weapon doesn't make you a god...people like you should be happy that you even get a Relic that easily. IMO the Relic shouldn't be rewarded until Turn1/2 in Coil. Let's how all of you would fare in Coil if you would have to farm Garuda/Titan for weeks to get your desired weapon just to do "bare minimum of damage" in Coil 1/2 to then get your Relic.

Relics are thrown at people as it is right now...so don't even try to sell Relic as an accomplishment...but of course only an accomlpishment when you did it with PUGs...get over yourself. If you are unhappy about Titan groups you joined, start your own and kick people when they suck and look for other ones til you get a whole group together that can pull it off.

Or even worse...try to make friends...try to get to know people you know are good players and you actually like...maybe...just maybe if they like you too they would help on Titan and stuff...

Relic+1 and allagan 95 are both hard tasks. They must be on par as 95, period.

Wow...you must be kidding me...so beating one set of Primals and then running WP/AK for 3 weeks is actually a difficult task now that is on par with beating Twintania?

Honestly...you are not worth talking to...I call Troll...cause anything else would just be sad and pathetic.

[Teon]

Except that no group will be able to carry anyone on Twintania for quite a while(maybe even til 2.2) so all your points are invalid. Most groups who actually beat Twintania have Relic+1...itemlvl90. Itemlvl95 won't magically erase the neccesitty of a "good 8th" person.

All you basically proven with your post is that you don't have the slightest idea about Twintania and that you seriously think 7 itemlvl95 people can carry a DL/Garuda Weap person with ease...

I do all my stuff with my FC...I have a static for Coil and I do Relic related stuff usually with PUGs til Garuda/Titan, then I do the rest with my FC. I finished some of my Relics in one day, doing every single fight with PUGS except for Titan. Titan is not a hard encounter, it's a movement check and as in most MMORPGs majority sucks at just playing good in general.

PS: If any FC would be able to carry a person through Twintania which I can assure you, nobody can as of this moment and nobody will be able to anytime soon...they would charge 5M, not 500k...
And no I don't see how the game would be broken all of a sudden...cause itemlvl95 weapon doesn't make you a god...

Mind if i ask you: do you (and all your FC core group) wear a complete ilvl90 set and relic +1 running turn 5? Erm..


Are you this guy with 2 DL pieces? http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...racter/768450/

p.s. Bad news, i did twintania, and a skilled group with full 90 gear and 95 weapon can cover the 8th guy who bough the run, rezzed by the whm.

p.s. if you want to sell runs, you ask an affordable price, not something 10 guys on this planet can afford

Wow...you must be kidding me...so beating one set of Primals and then running WP/AK for 3 weeks is actually a difficult task now that is on par with beating Twintania?

Honestly...you are not worth talking to...I call Troll...cause anything else would just be sad and pathetic.

So who wear a relic+1 is a common crapper?

p.s. you forgot server raids (chimera+hydra, and the time spent to find a group for it)

Stop calling trolls who want his time invested ingame worthy. e-peen syndrome, you need allagan 95 to prove you mastered coil? A full set and allagan 90 is not enough ? Am i being a troll asking relic+1 on par?

[TirionCrey]

Mind if i ask you: do you (and all your FC core group) wear a complete ilvl90 set and relic +1 running turn 5? Erm..


Are you this guy with 2 DL pieces? http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...racter/768450/

p.s. Bad news, i did twintania, and a skilled group with full 90 gear and 95 weapon can cover the 8th guy who bough the run, rezzed by the whm.

p.s. if you want to sell runs, you ask an affordable price, not something 10 guys on this planet can afford

Oh you did Twintania? So how far did you get...wiped on the 2nd Conflag? No group that would actually consider doing T5 and having the goal to beat it would take a WHM that doesn't even have Eye for an Eye.

PS: I don't deny that it might be possible to carry a 8th person if everyone has full itemlvl90 ad itemlvl95 weapons...but that would require playing each character at the limit. You really seem to underestimate the DPS requirements in this fight...

PPS: When FCs first started selling Titan runs, us included, they/we charged 700k each person. Carrying someone through Titan was a joke...carrying someone through Twintania I can assure you won't sell for anything less than several millions.

Once again...I hope you're a Troll...anything else would be just miserable.

[Dano]

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come back when you've done any coil let alone twintania

[Pibz]

Aha. I'll give you a better picture:
A: your group (except you) got his 95 weapon. They should pwn , because skilled and and wearing an uber weapon.
The 8th, a crapper (probably even dead waiting the end) wearing garuda clearly find himself winning and opening the box (RNG on his side), his weapon pops. Such a worthy player

B: Idiots locking out victims (we have a thread about it, did you read it? )

C: It's easy to post when you're part of a core group for coil, running every turn every week. Try to be kicked out of that core group, then post again. Good luck with random pugs

D: As you said, a worthy player may desire to get a ilvl95 weapon. So relic weapon, do all those server raids (chimera, hydra), beat all elementals (titan , wasting days to find a good group) was just a waste of time?

The consequence of D, as you can easily imagine will be: noone will run his relic hassle anymore, garuda weapon, 500k gil to a group with 95 weapon selling runs, and you're done (DL armor+ garuda is more than enough , when you know what to do on twintania and everyone is wearing a lvl95 weapon, skilled on that fight )

Can you see now how the game turns to junk?

Alright i'll try to answer all this.
A: Yes this might happen, people might even sell the run, i wonder which weapon you can get through that method(*hint* starts with r lol)..
Yes i don't like that it's possible to sell gear/runs like that, but that's hardly on topic.
Also not that many people have killed it right now. Not to mention that you can sell 1 weapon-run a week(if it even drops so there's a feasibility problem with the whole concept right there, who'd buy a *CHANCE* for an insane amount) at most so... yeah people will be gearing their fc(will take a big while lol) and then some might sell.

B: Actually haven't so please do link if you don't mind.

C: Well, coil T5 definitely shouldn't be pugged right now that's pretty obvious. Sorry for being redundant but get a FC for that.

D: You need relic to even go into coil(complete the quest anyway), and why do you even need the ilvl 95 right now? When we get content that actually requires something like that(2.2 prob), i bet it'll be waaay easier to get(if their current philosophy is any indicator of the future).

Also and probably most important Allagan weapon is already BIS to some classes(at least).
So at its current state all that you have described would still be possible.
You may have presented some valid issues but they're hardly connected to the increase in ilvl , and its only 5 increase not even THAT much!