Red Ring of Death!

[Babydoll]

I've had nights with crippling lag after maintenance. But, I was directly connected and home alone with a 80mb down/ 25mb up connection speed. I've called my ISP and they were absolutely not helpful at all. Modem is 3months new. Next day, Lag was completely fine.


Honestly, the game is predictable enough to beat any encounter in any role with crippling amounts of lag, you just need to do certain crutches to overcome it. Constant movement, predicting abilities, etc. But you shouldn't have to play like that.

I swear I heard that before....oh yeah it's like 1.0 all over again! Well not as extreme but you get the idea lol

[zaineal]

I'v posted in the other 40+thread the 0.3 is not the problem is working fine if 95% of the user-base is not getting hit and only the rest of the %5 is then there is other underlying issues. remember if one 1/8 of your party in titan is getting hit and rest arent start looking at other factors.

Just to point out there could be a crap-ton of other issues in there server architecture and or client not pushing data out.

and im constantly playing on 200+ms

[Borfin]

I'v posted in the other 40+thread the 0.3 is not the problem is working fine if 95% of the user-base is not getting hit and only the rest of the %5 is then there is other underlying issues. remember if one 1/8 of your party in titan is getting hit and rest arent start looking at other factors.

Just to point out there could be a crap-ton of other issues in there server architecture and or client not pushing data out.

and im constantly playing on 200+ms

Where are you getting your numbers from? Because I suspect they're coming out of your butt.

[Sephirah]

Just to recap here, once again, I, and nobody else here is claiming there isn't a delay, my OP says that as well. I'm also NOT saying it's impossible for the issue to be on SE's end. ALL I'm saying, is that when it IS on SE's end, it will affect most, if not all of your raid.

If it's happening to 1-2 people out of 8, then those 1-2 people can take steps on their end to reduce this "delay". But with justifications like "It doesn't happen in WoW", they completely negate ANY troubleshooting because clearly nothing could be wrong on their end. And this is not true, you're connecting to different servers, which means the route will be different. We can't go into too much detail because there are too many variables that can play a factor, which is why it's best to troubleshoot this with either your ISP, or SE's technical support.

So that's all, even if WoW plays fine for you, there may be things you can do to improve your situation, rather than just shouting for a "fix" that may, or may not ever happen.

[Sunarie]

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So, sources for your data? Nevermind that latency itself is not the cause of the issue... last I check the main strat to Titan was to pre-move because if you didn't then you wouldn't be able to dodge stuff due to the cast bar and animation delay. That would seem to suggest that the majority do in fact have the problem, and that the minority can actually rely on the on-screen indicators. I obviously don't have set numbers, but I do have a few threads with many, many replies (one with 150 pages, in fact).. and the various threads telling people to pre-move, or cast a spell when they're out, or so on.

Quit pretending it doesn't exist.

If it's happening to 1-2 people out of 8, then those 1-2 people can take steps on their end to reduce this "delay".

I would say that this issue actually happens in the range of 5-6 people in any given group I've been in. However, these people can be out of things (like I can) by about the 90% mark and still not get hit. This makes everything dodgeable in the game that we've come up to (we haven't done Twintania yet). Just cause people can dodge, doesn't mean the issue isn't present. It's still there, and the amount of players that it affects is huge, but not always noticeable because it can be really hard to tell if you were out by that 90% mark or if you were riding the line in the heat of things. Many will assume they just screwed up, even if it looks like they didn't (that comes from talking with various people in game, and the number of people that have come into other threads going "I thought I was just bad and missing something about when I needed to be out").

I also think you're missing the point when people are comparing it to other games. If the issue was lag, then undoubtably people would be hit by AOEs in other games as well, as people definitely lag in other games. Anyone, not any one specific person. There is always someone experiencing lag. You won't be able to find that in other games though because it doesn't exist (even though they have players that lag). Lag does not cause that. The closest you will find will be SWTORs skill delay issues at it's launched that they fixed soon after release.

Assume for a second I have a flat 500 ms latency across all games. A bit of a crappy latency, but usually not entirely game-breaking. That 500 ms ping can get me through any games except for SE's. Wouldn't it then follow that SE did something wrong on the programming side and is not up to par at all with industry standards? That's really what it boils down to. SE did something wrong on the programming end. Both with skill delays, and AOE positional updates. I can't say what exactly.. I don't have programming experience, and in a different thread I started there are plenty of folks that have taken that part of it up for me. Threads like this take away from the issue and give SE even more reason to ignore it.

[Borfin]

With the outcry of complaints being this loud (especially with such a minority of the playerbase actually coming to the forums in the first place), there will be a subscriber loss.

WoW is coming out with WoD. Many of the features FFXIV is proud of and that have attracted players (such as player housing) are being introduced. They're finally updating their outdated character models.

This is a game that doesn't suffer from this problem. This is a game that WILL attract players. I doubt I'll be included, but it's looking pretty enticing.

WoW doesn't have this issue.
Neither does SWTOR.
Neither does Fly4Free.
Neither does Legacy.
Neither does WHO.
Neither does (did?) AoC.
Neither does Aion.
Neither does Tera.
Neither does RIFT.

FFXIV is ALONE in having this problem this severe. These are ALL games that employ GTFO or DIE tactics.

In addition:

- The problem is resolved by casting an instant-cast ability immediately after moving out of the AoE. You still have to be quick about it, but it SIGNIFICANTLY lessens the strain.
- The problem is exacerbated if you've triggered an instant-cast ability BEFORE moving out of the AoE, even if you do so on-the-move. Cast something while in it. Anything. Bet you don't get out on time.

WoW has a similar coding "flaw" in that if your character is strafing it will check your position more frequently. For that reason, many high end raiders will strafe out of AoE instead of running forward or mouse-moving. It's not a problem unique to FFXIV - but it's the only game that's THIS BAD.

Tell me ONE MORE TIME this is a player-side issue.

I dare you to look that stupid.

[Shirai]

How are you this willingly blind??

Because for me what I did worked for me, so it may work for several other people having the same issues.
I am absolutely sure this will not be the sollution for everyone, but if you're not even willing to try then why are we even having this discussion.

Oh right, I wasn't even speaking to you.
Now I am, heh.

I am out.

[Sephirah]

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I'm sorry but making 10 year old graphics look like 7 year old graphics and adding player housing is not enough to make me want to play that terrible game again.

And just curious Borfin, have you done any troubleshooting on your end? Have you tried doing a ping and and route trace to SE's servers that show there is nothing wrong on your end?

The fact you don't have issues in other games means absolutely NOTHING. Just go troubleshoot your stuff, that's ALL I'm saying lol.

And take your "oo let's go play wow" somewhere else lol.

[Borfin]

I'm sorry but making 10 year old graphics look like 7 year old graphics and adding player housing is not enough to make me want to play that terrible game again.

I didn't say it would, but there WILL be people that it WILL be enough for, and this problem is going to be a large part of the reason why.

The fact of the matter is that WoW gameplay is crisp and responsive - part of why it's been so successful for so long. FFXIV's is not.

And just curious Borfin, have you done any troubleshooting on your end? Have you tried doing a ping and and route trace to SE's servers that show there is nothing wrong on your end?

Server connection's Excellent, my ping is less than 30 at any given time I log in. Last speed test I did gave me 38m/s download speed, 15m/s upload. Enough for practically my entire neighborhood, let alone my own home.

The fact you don't have issues in other games means absolutely NOTHING. Just go troubleshoot your stuff, that's ALL I'm saying lol.

Why do you assume I didn't? Is there anything in my post to suggest I've done anything BUT research the hell out of this issue?

I love this game. I won't be quitting, but I also don't want to see it go the way of SWTOR because the devs chose to turn a blind eye to the issue - and people white knighting it sure as hell aren't helping.

And take your "oo let's go play wow" somewhere else lol.

Oh the ignorance.

[Sephirah]

Server connection's Excellent, my ping is less than 30 at any given time I log in. Last speed test I did gave me 38m/s download speed, 15m/s upload. Enough for practically my entire neighborhood, let alone my own home.

Oh the ignorance.

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That isn't what a ping or route trace is...

If you trace your route and ping to their servers, it will tell you exactly what you are being routed through, each hop it makes, and the delay each hop takes. There may be ones taking too long, or timing out.