This is why you're dying on Titan.

[NeruMew]

I love being able to run out of AoE spells before the are casted, cause my ISP is so fast! And then just run back into it as it's being casted to be inside for when it hits, cause I'm just that good that I don't take damage : D!

All the while I keep casting my Black Mage amazing damage spells that do all this damage just because we can't cast 'em while moving... Oh wait! we can! But!

Oh gawd, I am just so good.

[reality_check]

did a little test with my friend yesterday and found out that the measured latency with ping is not relevant
my friend have 150 ms and can cast 7 esunas in row
then he tried the same with battleping and could not cast even one, latency with battleping was roughly the same, 150 ms
that means his ISP is throttling the FFXIV communication for some reason and leaves the ping packets be
can it be because the port FFXIV uses is around 55k ? or is it because the packet seems like P2P communication ? or some other reason ?
anyway he is gonna roundhouse kick his ISP today :P

this is interesting. But there's a huge flaw in the client server communication if having lag means that you can cast spells while running.

[Naunet]

I have to say I'll be a mite sad when they fix this, as I love the fact that I can move my Thaumaturge with about .5 seconds left on her cast bar and get the cast off regularly.

I take advantage of this while healing to heal and dodge simultaneously all the time. We should re-frame the lag complaint into a balance one - maybe it'll get attention then! Can they still tell us to zoom our camera out to fix balance issues?

Oh gawd, I am just so good.

What we need to do is commence the cries of "NERF!" You are just too powerful!

[Masked]

did a little test with my friend yesterday and found out that the measured latency with ping is not relevant
my friend have 150 ms and can cast 7 esunas in row
then he tried the same with battleping and could not cast even one, latency with battleping was roughly the same, 150 ms
that means his ISP is throttling the FFXIV communication for some reason and leaves the ping packets be
can it be because the port FFXIV uses is around 55k ? or is it because the packet seems like P2P communication ? or some other reason ?
anyway he is gonna roundhouse kick his ISP today :P

<~ SSA.

This is a flawed argument.

Even when you use battleping, you're still going through the ISP.

It's too complicated to explain here but, all you're actually doing is proxying from your connection to battleping, through your ISP.

Is it faster sometimes? Yes...But, you're DNS remains the same...Even if it's a rotating DNS, it's the same.

I don't quite understand how some of you are thinking that you change your source destination VIA your ISP when, it's there all along...This is why proxying is flawed.

Yes, you can change a few hops in your connection to the game and get an improved result but, ISP throttling? Not remotely likely.

ISP throttling would be a violation of federal law per the FCC's Net Neutrality Act considering they're choosing to throttle a very specific entity...

[NeruMew]

I have to say I'll be a mite sad when they fix this, as I love the fact that I can move my Thaumaturge with about .5 seconds left on her cast bar and get the cast off regularly.

I take advantage of this while healing to heal and dodge simultaneously all the time. We should re-frame the lag complaint into a balance one - maybe it'll get attention then! Can they still tell us to zoom our camera out to fix balance issues?

Oh gawd, I am just so good.

What we need to do is commence the cries of "NERF!" You are just too powerful!

I'll just lag away from the nerf =O!

And Yoshi's reply will be: "In order to fix some balancing issues that caused players to be able to cast while moving, we have removed camera distance adjustment, now camera distance will always be set at its max. Please understand, we are doing this for your own good (silly players)."

[whilke]

<~ SSA.

This is a flawed argument.

Even when you use battleping, you're still going through the ISP.

It's too complicated to explain here but, all you're actually doing is proxying from your connection to battleping, through your ISP.

Is it faster sometimes? Yes...But, you're DNS remains the same...Even if it's a rotating DNS, it's the same.

I don't quite understand how some of you are thinking that you change your source destination VIA your ISP when, it's there all along...This is why proxying is flawed.

Yes, you can change a few hops in your connection to the game and get an improved result but, ISP throttling? Not remotely likely.

ISP throttling would be a violation of federal law per the FCC's Net Neutrality Act considering they're choosing to throttle a very specific entity...

It's more QoS over throttling. They can't set max limits on specific ports/protocols/routes, but they can specify data has higher priority over other data. If that link gets saturated, anything tagged for lower priority is going to start dropping packets. That is why a lot of VPN services use port 443 (HTTPS), and by the very nature of the encrypted data, it makes it impossible to tag it for a QoS bucket.

Most national/major ISPs don't implement any QoS, but peering circuits might, and those you can get around with a VPN (since it will change your route).

The fact that VPNs have such a major impact on this issue actually tells me the issue is either QoS of the FFXIV protocol, or something to do with the layer 3 GRE tunnel that might get your individual packets to the server in a more steady fashion (nagle algorithms, etc).

I believe most uplink providers prioritize http/https traffic pretty high (since this is the majority of internet traffic), so maybe that is all it is. A VPN causes your FFXIV session to get high priority on routers using QoS.

Granted, SE needs to fix their protocol/architecture so that it can work with connections that are not running at 100% (like most other games).

[Cynric]

I'm still not sure how you guys are able to cast while moving lol. My spell bar immediately halts when I move period it wont even go past 00.01 when Im already moving. o.o

[Orsnoire]

I'm still not sure how you guys are able to cast while moving lol. My spell bar immediately halts when I move period it wont even go past 00.01 when Im already moving. o.o

I see this all the time. I start casting then have to move, and the cast completes. You just have better latency with the server. Congratulations.

But this is absolutely a real thing for a wide array of players.

[whilke]

I'm still not sure how you guys are able to cast while moving lol. My spell bar immediately halts when I move period it wont even go past 00.01 when Im already moving. o.o

Please post a video of this. While you're recording that video start casting a spell and when you get to about 0.3s from finishing start moving, and more often then not your spell will finish casting.

If that happens to you (it will), then you'll know what's up.

[Deceptistar]

Ok so the threads kinda long and I only read the first 10 pages but i get the gist of things. x,x I play from hawaii and i get the same lag/latency whatever you call it that hits you from 50 ft away lol. All other games are ok its only XIV. Titan came to the point where i basically had to memorize its move and yeah like some tards' point out, PRE-determine, and PREget-your-arse-moving before it even shows the skill, nvm you dont know which way the skill is coming from. It was very frustrating for me having pple tell me "oh this is how you move, you gotta keep on moving like this to avoid it"
and im thinking...
'hell no?'
Why run a marathon when i am suppose to be dodging this thing by just moving an inch? Thats stupid.

So at this point i started looking up on the net how to reduce my latency. Turns out not much can be done unless i move myself to the mainland states. aka west coast. Retarded.
I then looked into latency programs that help my connection. I decided to try one out, one that i had used before in XIV1.0 but stopped because it didnt let me play another game. Amazingly it worked for me. I no longer needed to dodge like those blind mofo's that use to tell me to run. I dodged like how i wanted to, staying still, move and inch, and im still alive.
You can probably look stuff up like that on google but for anyone who wants to know PM me on guildworks from our website link below. I cant say its going to be the same for everyone though but for me and some others it was worth it.