Stop Buying Titan Kills

[Doo]

Never said anything about wait time just that most df players I came across are competent (for Titan is a whole another story). I queue as whm as well and the wait time can be pretty long.

[Dergs]

Healer DF wait time is still nothing compared to DPS... I've waited near an hour for WP/AK before, commonly. Getting pugs in mor dhona is much quicker/more enjoyable. You actually meet people on your server! That you can group with later! However, as a blm, to get into these groups, or even form them yourselves, most tanks and healers expect the DPS to be relic'd.

Well anyway, again. I've killed Titan before, 3 times. Im paying for my BLM relic because I dont need to go through that pain again.

Never said anything about wait time just that most df players I came across are competent (for Titan is a whole another story). I queue as whm as well and the wait time can be pretty long.

[Doo]

I thought DF was the best thing since slice bread =O

Now you're telling it's not even worth it to queue as certain jobs and it's also practically hopeless for hard content like titan.

Duty finder will be forever known as doody finder.

[Altera]

7 people with relic carry their random friend from fc pass titan, no one bats an eye
7 people with relic sell a guarantee not-dying-in-titan to a random person and everybody loose their mind.

Free Company / Friends will most likely teach their member about the fight so they know how to do it and other boss mechanics.

People selling the Titan runs, dont care if the buyer dies in the fight. They just want the Gil. The player will most likely leave that fight with a Relic, but still doesnt know how to fully play their class.

Look at WoW, with how easy kills is in LFR and in general. Offering epic loot when a player can even do nothing at all and still win.

[Eiz]

If people think titan is hard, well, its doing its job. weeding out the bads so we don't have to bring them to coil.

Even if they bought it, who cares, they'll still be bad regardless if they have it

Good Argument from ignorance there.

That somebody buys a run does not imply is a bad player.

That a player plays bad means is a bad player.
If you haven't seen him play you cannot tell how does he play.

I mean, the face of the character in your avatar looks like an asshole.. so I assume, using the same Neanderthal reasoning, that there must be a good reason.

[TeganLaron]

Damn, are people still arguing over this?

I know it varies from server to server, but it's around 300k a Titan kill on mine. Now that's a lot of gil, especially if you're a "bad" player. If they want to spend it on a Titan kill, they can, it's their money.

[Noctrin]

Eh, it gets funnier. There are FCs who charge their own members for runs. My guild sells the runs for 350k and I've been part of it quite a few times. I have no problem helping FC mates, but as far as strangers go, it's hard to assemble a team of 7 people who know what they're doing and have no use for running it without some incentive. I know geared people who bought it from us who have tried for over 2 weeks in PuGs and just gave up.

Funny thing is, they still died.

Being on mumble/vent and calling plumes, where to stack etc makes this fight way easier, bottom line, it's hard to pug without voice chat and coordination. You kinda need to be part of an FC and have everyone coordinate to beat it. Issue is, if you're not, you need full DL to get into an FC who does coil and will run you through it to get attuned. Sadly, most WP/AK runs expect people to have relic so it's hard to advance without it. Vicious cycle..

And... that's why some people choose to pay. 350k is sometimes simply easier.

[zakalw3]

Here's how I beat Titan:

I stood in RT for an hour buildings /shout group from scratch. I made it clear that we would be asking members who consistently made mistakes and didn't learn from them to leave, and we had to replace about half the group over the course of our three hours trying. Eventually, the group was solid enough that we won.


If you're tired, if you're experiencing network issues for real, if there is some reason you're not playing at your most optimal and may bring a group down please be patient and wait. You're making it frustrating for those who are focused, and making the entire process more drawn out than it needs to be.

If you don't know your part, if the important bits of the rotation are not committed to memory, then please study videos until they are or ask to build a group specifically to learn. Please do not join groups of players asking for experience if you don't have it. You can use the DF to get a feel for the fight, and phase five isn't that bad if you know exactly what's coming and you're focused.

And, lastly, please be geared. Please don't join with cg weapon and only 1-2 bits of Darklight. You'll only bring the group down.

Titan isn't difficult if you know what you're doing, remain focused, and are sure the seven other people I'm your group can do the same. It takes patience to get to this point, so don't rush and be honest about your capabilities.

There's no need to buy a carry if you understand the above.

[Adelphe]

so basically your saying if you have latency issues due to SE bad delay and coding issues, dont bother trying to do titan, unless you want to buy a win?

[Aegis]

If you're tired, if you're experiencing network issues for real, if there is some reason you're not playing at your most optimal and may bring a group down please be patient and wait. You're making it frustrating for those who are focused, and making the entire process more drawn out than it needs to be.

If you don't know your part, if the important bits of the rotation are not committed to memory, then please study videos until they are or ask to build a group specifically to learn. Please do not join groups of players asking for experience if you don't have it. You can use the DF to get a feel for the fight, and phase five isn't that bad if you know exactly what's coming and you're focused.

And, lastly, please be geared. Please don't join with cg weapon and only 1-2 bits of Darklight. You'll only bring the group down.

Titan isn't difficult if you know what you're doing, remain focused, and are sure the seven other people I'm your group can do the same. It takes patience to get to this point, so don't rush and be honest about your capabilities.

There's no need to buy a carry if you understand the above.

Actually, if the person is experiencing heavy lag (as most EU players do) then a carry may be the only option. I managed to get my BLM relic by dodging plumes before they even appear. If I were to wait for one to be visible, I would be hit by it no matter my reaction time. That's nothing to do with player skill, you shouldn't have to be prescient to complete a run. If it's only one person affected by this in the group then sure, it's manageable. If it's 2 or more? No chance. Staying up till 3 am to increase the chances of getting a group where most players are on the same continent as the server? You shouldn't have to do that.

Also, I am curious as to what skills Titan is teaching that Ifrit and Garuda do not?

Learning pattern? Check.
Stacking? Check.
DPS check? Check.
Hell, Ifrit has mechanics that Titan doesn't (Co-ordinated stunning if no PLD in party). Garuda has add management and positioning that Titan doesn't.

The only difference is that Titan has been tuned harder. It's certainly harder than Coil 1 and 2 which are easily PUG'able.