Is 5 Job Abilities enough (Before level cap increase)?

[Yagrush]

The thing about Paladin is that 2 of their 5 precious Job ability slots are taken up by stances, which could've changed their gameplay dramatically, but didn't really, and that's ok, but with that you only have 3 more abilities to work with that only do more of the same, which, in my perspective, leaves the player wanting more.

That's the other thing, many of the first 5 Job abilities are things that are fundamental for the Job's sucess, like PLD's shield oath and WAR's Defiance, and take up the 5 abilities of the Job. Also, abilities that enhance other abilities, like Infuriate are kind of dull right NOW, when, in the WAR's case, only have 3 abilities that enjoy the dynamic workings of this ability. It will get better as more abilities come that can interact with it, which is one of the reasons that I think more abilities could make Job's more fun and interesting.

[Gardes]

I'd like to see some changes about that. Something that would make the paladin constantly try to switch stances between sword and shield oath on the fly as much as possible (and get something out of it) while having to watch out for their mana (It's like 216 MP to turn on/switch with 1400 mp iirc)

As it is right now, I either not watch my mp during normal party situations or boss battles or blast through my mana for flash and riot spam in an aoe speed run.

[Shiyo]

No it is not, SCH can do the exact same things as SMN minus the pet and fester. It would have been better to have class abilities from 1-30 be the same, and then from 30-50 be all job abilities, that way you get a unique set of at least 10 or more abilities for each job, making each feel different from their counterpart.

I feel SMN is a really badly done class when it comes to it's abilities from the SMN class. I mean it gets rouse v2.0 as one of it's skills, really SE? Enkindle is also incredibly boring and the AOE bind is essentially useless...

I also have more DOT's than a SMN does as SCH, and I think cleric stance DOT's tick harder than SMN DOT's unless they raging strikes them. All you get from being a SMN over a SCH is basically fester and contagion, and arcanist gets contagion.

I think they really messed up a LOT of jobs, and only giving jobs 5 skills over classes wasn't a good decision, but it was an even worse decision to make jobs 100% required and classes 100% utterly useless in every party situation at end game.

[Espon]

I don't want more abilities I need to hotkey. It would be nice, though, if your class learned less abilities past level 30 and more were gained for your job.

[Yagrush]

I don't want more abilities I need to hotkey. It would be nice, though, if your class learned less abilities past level 30 and more were gained for your job.

That's why there's the other alternative, Job traits.

[Miiu]

I have to agree that smn/sch is a bad example. At least ARC/SMN because they both feel/are the same. Only SCH is slightly different.

[Nahara]

I think the answer is that it really all depends on if your role changes from one job to the next.

If you're a Gladiator, when you make the switch to Paladin, your playstyle doesn't change because you're still a tank. You did tank stuff as a Gladiator and you're doing tank stuff as a Paladin, except now you've got new toys to play with. If you're an Arcanist, now you have the choice between staying a damage dealer (in which case, just like with the Gladiator, you don't really do anything different besides have new toys to play with) or you can switch to healer (so you're doing something brand new and different than what you had been doing).

In other words, if your role doesn't change, 5 job abilities may not feel like enough because you're generally still doing the same thing. If your role DOES change, then they start to feel good, because those five abilities have to be enough to make you perform your new job good enough to be competitive.

[Yagrush]

Well, there are some that isn't *just* new toys on top of the skills from your class, Warrior has their own mechanic that has its own flow and dynamic, it's a pretty high bar they set, when they just go average with stuff like GLD -> PLD. I don't know, they could do much more than just adding more stuff that could have easily been added into the class, instead of seperating it into a Job, and assume it's special just because of this. They could do more than what they have right now. *Shrug*

[Miiu]

Overall I can only agree with the sentiment that the base classes should stop gaining abilities after 30. Fill the gap from 30-50 with abilities from the advanced job. Here is hoping that when they increase the level cap they introduce new abilities that actually help to differentiate you from your base class.

[Felis]

I have to agree that smn/sch is a bad example. At least ARC/SMN because they both feel/are the same. Only SCH is slightly different.

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