White Mage: You should DPS and here's why.

[LiadansWhisper]

I don't know why healers would be standing around looking at the sky. If you have nobody to heal throw some DoTs. If you have even more time throw some Holys yo. In AK I never leave cleric stance on my SCH since I have a set party with a good friend of mine tanking. I don't enjoy seeing bees and purple balls during the dungeon.

DPSing as SCH is so much easier, tho, because Lustrate has nothing to do with your healing power (since it returns a fixed amount of health based on the target's health) and your fairy snapshots your healing power when you summon her (so if you're not in Cleric Stance when you summon her, she never gets the 40% healing debuff that you yourself do).

[Gurpsmeister]

Well, then in a way I'm certainly glad you prefer dungeon finders because pity to anyone running with you consistently if your'e not willing to do more than the idle cure / cure2 / regen thing. Oh right..and your stoneskin, shouldn't forget that.

[LiadansWhisper]

Well, then in a way I'm certainly glad you prefer dungeon finders because pity to anyone running with you consistently if your'e not willing to do more than the idle cure / cure2 / regen thing. Oh right..and your stoneskin, shouldn't forget that.

I mostly run with a static group, actually. Tzain even made me a macro so I can laugh and poke the tank. :-P

But mostly I bug him on Mumble to please pull more because I'm bored.

Then I get to pop CDs and heal him back up. That's honestly what I enjoy. But my DF groups have uniformly been hell.

Edited to Add: If you think that Cure/Cure 2/Regen are all that I cast, you must not be very acquainted with your toolkit.

Also, I never said that I was 100% unwilling to ever DPS. I said that healers choosing not to DPS doesn't make them bad. Every situation is different, especially with healing. Healers don't just fight the boss, they're fighting their own party/raid members. And for someone to make a sweeping statement that if you don't DPS 100% of the time, you're just bad and wrong is, quite frankly, stupid. If you had any sense in your head you'd understand that situations are different, and the absolute worst thing you can do is make a sweeping statement like that. What about the guy without a Free Company who can only get into groups via the DF (because no relic = no run these days)? What about the guy who is in a Free Company with his friends, but his friends are either a) derpy or b) jerks and make the run a serious chore? When he loses the tank or a party member because he was busy trying to stance dance on top of actually doing his job (which would be healing), do you think they give a flying rat's posterior whether or not some post on the forums said he should be DPSing? They're going to ream him out because he wasn't doing his job at the time and someone died.

The truth is, there's absolutely nothing wrong with choosing to simply heal and not DPS during a dungeon (barring gimmick situations where you have some ability that is absolutely essential to the strat, anyway). What's boring for you isn't boring for other people, and what's safe for you to do with your static group isn't going to be safe for everyone else playing the game right at this moment. Different situations are different, and you honestly should be ashamed that the only come back the lot of you can have is to call people "bads" and tell them they're stupid. Seriously, get over yourselves.

[AunaYuuki]

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I also play whm and in WP SR I holy often as well, but I always make sure regen is on the tank. Many whm don't consider that the stunning part with Holy can save your tanks hp just as much as a cure. I have also done AK in cleric stance on a whm as well with a WAR tank. I may not recommend it to a party with lower level gear, but if your party has Darklight and relic the healer whatever it maybe should be able to DoT and switch cleric on and off. On the last boss in AK I grab the adds and burn them in cleric on my whm so does my other friend without any problems allowing our main DDs to max dd the boss to burn it even faster.
But yeah of course DDing as a SCH is overall less worry because of EOS/Selene. Then lustrate is just amazing. Also rumor has it if you pop a statues + pot and summon your pet even if the actual cool down of the pot disappears it will retain that extra stat increase. Anyone know if its 100% true or not?

[LiadansWhisper]

I also play whm and in WP SR I holy often as well, but I always make sure regen is on the tank. Many whm don't consider that the stunning part with Holy can save your tanks hp just as much as a cure. I have also done AK in cleric stance on a whm as well with a WAR tank. I may not recommend it to a party with lower level gear, but if your party has Darklight and relic the healer whatever it maybe should be able to DoT and switch cleric on and off. On the last boss in AK I grab the adds and burn them in cleric on my whm so does my other friend without any problems allowing our main DDs to max dd the boss to burn it even faster.

I have tried to get the DPS to ignore the adds before (because the last one or two basically don't matter) or just have one DPS deal with the add while the other stays on the boss, but my groups in AK tended to have 1 or more undergeared members, so it just wasn't an option. Also, orbs are hard. What are lasers and how do they work? >.< But yes, outside of trash packs (and the first boss if DPS is slow once the summoner goes down), you can be in cleric stance for most of it with a geared group. Undergeared is another story, and generally makes the entire dungeon rather taxing. I do find it helps to sleep the gargoyles and the Hound Lights, however, as they have a distressing habit of pulling off the tank and seem to do an inordinate amount of damage (for what they are) to the tanks.

But yeah of course DDing as a SCH is overall less worry because of EOS/Selene. Then lustrate is just amazing. Also rumor has it if you pop a statues + pot and summon your pet even if the actual cool down of the pot disappears it will retain that extra stat increase. Anyone know if its 100% true or not?

I've never heard this, but I can ask a few mainspec Scholars I know to see what they say. I still can't get over how much easier it is to heal certain fights as SCH, tho. Lustrate is ridiculous, and so is being able to move and DPS freely on certain fights because the pet can cover most of the damage.

[AunaYuuki]

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Yeah sadly I mean switching to DD I would basically trust the healers experience. If they main a healing class (especially whm) they know what situations will kill the party and which wont. I always go to AK with a set group or at least a set Tank with allagan/af2 gear so it makes my life whether im feeling whm or sch that day so much easier. Although if the healer is just standing around for a good 1-2 minutes during a fight its like throw Aero! But healing is always the first priority in any situation.
Yeah about the pot thing I have tried it (smn/sch), but I feel like it didn't do anything? I don't have a lot of SCH main healing end game friends to even ask. I don't really trust my judgment on these types of mechanics whether it works or not I leave it to the pros.So, its pretty confusing. I'd really appreciate it if you could ask. I switched to SCH main for that reason controlling enmity and powerful barriers/lustrate makes life great.

[LiadansWhisper]

Yeah sadly I mean switching to DD I would basically trust the healers experience. If they main a healing class (especially whm) they know what situations will kill the party and which wont. I always go to AK with a set group or at least a set Tank with allagan/af2 gear so it makes my life whether im feeling whm or sch that day so much easier. Although if the healer is just standing around for a good 1-2 minutes during a fight its like throw Aero! But healing is always the first priority in any situation.
Yeah about the pot thing I have tried it (smn/sch), but I feel like it didn't do anything? I don't have a lot of SCH main healing end game friends to even ask. I don't really trust my judgment on these types of mechanics whether it works or not I leave it to the pros.So, its pretty confusing. I'd really appreciate it if you could ask. I switched to SCH main for that reason controlling enmity and powerful barriers/lustrate makes life great.

Yes yes yes yes yes... One of the tanks I run with has his relic +1 and some Allagan gear and it's like, he takes noooo damage, so when I run with him I actually prefer to be SCH because I feel far more comfortable DPSing as SCH (0 mana issues + fairy + Lustrate). Just let the fairy heal him the entire time, not like he needs me at all! When I'm in the mood to DPS, I'm usually SCH, and when I just want to heal and relax, I'm WHM.