LGBT Linkshell and Free Company Directory

[Araye]

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Why does *anyone* make a FC based on commonalities? Maybe because it's nice to talk to people you can relate to, who understand your background better, and so on.

LGBT guilds aren't here only to avoid hate speech. They're also here because some LGBT people have fun talking to other LGBT people.

I don't think any of the LGBT players are actively trying to diss straight players or avoid them. I find it baffling that so many detractors of this thread assume this. There's an Adventure Time-themed FC on my server, and no one's like "How dare they group up based on their commonality! What does Adventure Time have to do with the game? They're segregating themselves and ruining the community! Why are you insulting all the non-Adventure Time guilds??!"

That's how silly and nonsensical these constant criticisms of LGBT guilds sound. The classic "what does this have to do with the game" line is especially flawed. So we're ONLY allowed to talk about FFXIV and never about ourselves or our lives? WTF????

Players in LGBT guilds are glad to group up with straight players, and welcome them in their guilds. Like all players, we just want to have a fun time in this game and have a good social experience.

Maybe you're sincere with your questions and you just come from a place of genuine curiosity and inexperience. If so, then hopefully this answered your questions and no hard feelings.

But the only real reason people would be against LGBT guilds is because they have a bias against LGBT people.

Look at what you wrote. You are using words that segregate you from others not like you (in your mind).

I hear all the time from people that belong to whatever "group" they think they belong to complain that the "majority" group excludes them.

And yet your explanations is filled with reasons you want to be excluded from the majority.

I am not against you forming your own group. Self segregate if that makes you happy. But don't complain that the majority won't accept you because you have excluded yourself.

Your non-participation with the majority does not give you an opportunity to see "the majority of the majority" just doesn't care what you do in your private life as long as you are happy with who you are. I honestly don't know anyone that thinks the way you think "the majority" thinks.

Why can't we all be one group - humans?

Creating groups only creates separation and elitism.

[HesperNova]

Are there any LGBT Friendly LS or FC on Malboro?

[Xayoc]

For the record this one has never seen the gaming community be hostile to gay and/or les. This one plays with players based on skill and common play times and could give a flying trout if someone is homo.

[Recaldy]

Maybe I live in a happy perfect world in my head but...wtf does this matter? >_>

[Katsaurs]

Are there any European groups of LGBT players somewhere? Or at least a group that plays at Europe-compatible times? I've started in Gilgamesh but I don't want to find myself unable to play with like-minded players because of the time difference...

Fisherman's Horizon is based on Moogle and all events etc we do are on a GMT/+1 time frame We have a few NA members too, though the majority hail from the EU. You'd be more than welcome to join us if you wished to!

[Kendall_Lawliet]

Feel free to add an additional Sargatanas based LGBT linkshell to the directory <3 . Thanks!

Safe Haven - http://safehaven.guildwork.com/recruitment

[KittenJitsu]

Can we add a list for the sexiest gay FC in FF14?

Hah... but seriously.

I would love to join a openly gay FC but I am on Lamia.

[Vaen]

Look at what you wrote. You are using words that segregate you from others not like you (in your mind).

I hear all the time from people that belong to whatever "group" they think they belong to complain that the "majority" group excludes them.

And yet your explanations is filled with reasons you want to be excluded from the majority.

I am not against you forming your own group. Self segregate if that makes you happy. But don't complain that the majority won't accept you because you have excluded yourself.

Your non-participation with the majority does not give you an opportunity to see "the majority of the majority" just doesn't care what you do in your private life as long as you are happy with who you are. I honestly don't know anyone that thinks the way you think "the majority" thinks.

But that's not what I'm saying at all, and none of what you're saying is true:

Joining a group of people who I have stuff in common with does not mean I want to be "excluded" from the rest of FFXIV players.

The majority should accept me no matter what harmless group I join, no matter what harmless identity I have. The majority of players have more in common with me than they have differences. People shouldn't be bigoted pricks. Me being a part of minority group doesn't change any of that.

I don't segregate myself from non-LGBT players and neither does anyone in an LGBT FC. The group I'm most active in right now is a linkshell called the Learning Linkshell that has players of all identities who just want a place to ask game-related questions. I don't care what their identities are beyond the fact that they play FFXIV. I just like having conversations with them about FFXIV. I also don't care who I group with for dungeons and things as long as they're not jerks and they can play the game.


But what if I ever want to talk about any real-life stuff with a group of friends I meet in FFXIV; LGBT issues in society, my own personal anecdotes with dating, whatever, with people who I know will be more likely to understand where I'm coming from? Or what if I just want to meet cute people who share my interest in FFXIV and also share my sexual orientation? There's plenty of stories of online gamers who marry in-game or even form relationships in real life after playing online together. There is nothing wrong, separating, elitist about any of that. It's just creating a particular social group where people who have a certain thing in common can feel free to socialize and play together.

Nothing about joining an LGBT linkshell or FC excludes us from playing with other players. I haven't closed myself off from other players and I think straight FFXIV players are as awesome as LGBT ones. You're the one who keeps implying there's this big separation, but there really, truly is not.

Everyone likes to find people who they share something in common with. It doesn't mean that they are running away from or doing anything negative to people who don't have that one thing in common with them.

[cainejw]

Crap

Being blind to the need of a safe space does not make you reasonable. It makes you blind. Moreover, it makes you ignorant. Stop being ignorant and listen. Stop assuming that your way is the right way simply because you have privilege enough to not have to experience the behaviors being cited in this thread.

I have joined non-LGBT guilds many times. I enjoyed playing with them, and I know there's no real malice in their words. However, every single day I've been in the guilds, I've had to hear "I just died, that's so gay" or "No homo" or even "Don't be a fag." After a while, these things get tiring. I joke back with, "I wasn't aware dying had a sexuality" or "No homo? You're so masculine, secure, and heterosexual right now." However, doing that every single time is tiring. According to you, I should be shut up and let this happen because we're all one big, happy family of humans. However, rarely have I ever heard, "I just died, that's so straight" or "No hetero."

Why can't we be one group of humans? Simple. People who are blind. People who refuse to see that others are actively hurt and need safe spaces like this. People who, because of their blindness, continue to assist perpetration of hatred because they think we're all one big happy family. We're not. You are blind, and you don't want to see. Seeing, to you, creates separation and elitism.

Meanwhile, your refusal to open your eyes somehow creates inclusion, understanding, and communitarianism? After all, there's no problem because you're blind. You don't have to see. You don't want to see. There's nothing to see.

Except there is, and the response to that problem is an area where LGBT people can be LGBT people.

[Kyuuen]

Sensible reply to Araye

Wish I could like your post harder and more than once! ^^