When someone suggests you use flash more

[CyanDvai]

A good PLD uses Flash, Halone combo, and tab targets and Marks his mob (and maybe Scorn for fun).
A good DPS focus target on marks, doesn't attack the mob until tank has threat, doesn't use his heavy hitting skills back to back right after the pull, and only AOE's once the good tank has agro enough on the group.
A good Healer doesn't regen as the tank is pulling or over heal and spam Medica 2.

But you don't always get good players. Ran into a Whm in Amdapor Keep that thought Regen was hot shit and spammed it the entire run, even as the last mob of a group dies he would cast regen on me.... so annoying.

Bad players are a dime a dozen, and most of the time trying to help them is useless because they think they're hot shit.

[Tyrial]

A good PLD uses Flash, Halone combo, and tab targets and Marks his mob (and maybe Scorn for fun).

Not sure why you'd list Scorn as a just "for fun" skill when it's an excellent aggro tool. If you're not using it every time the CD is up you're doing something wrong, especially since it's not on the GCD, same with Spirits unless you have to save it for a fight mechanic (Chimera or ADS).

[CyanDvai]

Not sure why you'd list Scorn as a just "for fun" skill when it's an excellent aggro tool. If you're not using it every time the CD is up you're doing something wrong, especially since it's not on the GCD, same with Spirits unless you have to save it for a fight mechanic (Chimera or ADS).

Scorn has no enmity built into it. It's just a dot that enables bleed, all it does is give a little bit of enmity through damage but you can easily hold aggro with out Scorn (I've done it several times). It's a skill to use because it's there. It would be nice if SE added an Enmity stat to Scorn, then it will actually become useful.

I never touch Spirit unless I need to use it, it does little to your threat generation because it does not have any enmity built into so the only enmity you'll get from it is from the damage which is minimal since you're taking a 20% hit on your damage anyways from Shield Oath.

[Kitru]

Scorn has no enmity built into it. It's just a dot that enables bleed, all it does is give a little bit of enmity through damage but you can easily hold aggro with out Scorn (I've done it several times). It's a skill to use because it's there. It would be nice if SE added an Enmity stat to Scorn, then it will actually become useful.

CoS hits for 100 potency right off the bat and a further 150 over the next 10 seconds. It might not be high enmity, but it's nowhere near a "little bit" especially when you recognize that it's off GCD. Unless there are more than 3 targets, I never have to use Flash on my PLD because I can just use CoS to provide the necessary threat cushion on secondary targets while I'm establishing a large enough threat cushion that I can start target swapping safely. The only runs where I actually have to use Flash are WP speed runs where there are simply too many enemies in each pull to target swap.

Also, the damage from CoS isn't "minimal". It's ~7.5% of your total DPS, with Spirits Within contributing another ~7.5%.

CoS is far from a "just for fun" or "just because it's there" skill. It's friggin' *amazing*. It hits as harder than your ST attacks while being off the GCD, free, and AoE. That's a little nuts, honestly.

[Tyrial]

Scorn has no enmity built into it. It's just a dot that enables bleed, all it does is give a little bit of enmity through damage but you can easily hold aggro with out Scorn (I've done it several times). It's a skill to use because it's there. It would be nice if SE added an Enmity stat to Scorn, then it will actually become useful.

I never touch Spirit unless I need to use it, it does little to your threat generation because it does not have any enmity built into so the only enmity you'll get from it is from the damage which is minimal since you're taking a 20% hit on your damage anyways from Shield Oath.

It's definitely not needed to hold aggro, but that'd be like saying: "Gee...I've got to move these 5 large stones from next to this tree and deposit them over by the shed." Then you look around, see the wheelbarrow you just brought over with you from said shed and say "Screw it, I'll just carry them, I don't need the wheelbarrow to do this."

Bit of a weird analogy, sure, but you get the point.

Our job as a tank is to maximize our performance. We can still pull decent damage numbers while in shield oath, we've got mitigation tools to allow us to not even use shield oath for some content. There's no excuse for not maximizing your potential and making the most out of what you have, even if it's "just a little bit of damage". Kitru summed it up very well.