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  1. #61
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    HoroBoro's Avatar
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    Marisa Kirisame
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    Cactuar
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    Thaumaturge Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by jcw005 View Post
    Uh, what? It's only applicable for fire, ice, and lightning attacks, not general damage. If you think you're saving anyone from Mountain Buster by throwing that on them, you're fooling yourself.
    No - I save under-geared tanks during dungeon runs. I save healers who can't move when tank fails interrupt on Ifrit because they're busy healing. I save healer when Tanks die. I save people on Wanderer's during slime fight. I save people who happen to take void thunder when they're not suppose to. I save people who can't dodge void fira for some reason.

    I save virus for mountain buster.

    I'll save even more people when Shiva and Ramuh comes out.
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  2. #62
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    Chachasamu Cocosamu
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    Exodus
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Ifervan View Post
    I won't be condescending but I am surprised at the low level of skill or lack of knowledge around this class. This job is not just about damage but control. If you are not using all your spells including Freeze, Lethargy, Virus (in the absence of SMN) etc., then you are not playing it to its potential nor correctly. Much like those complaining about bard who is a DD support class; BLM is a DD control class.

    I wanted to add that we should aim to learn and play classes as designed versus trying to change them to what we want. You'll enjoy the game more.
    Everything you just mentioned, aside from virus, gets completely resisted in binding coil.
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  3. #63
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    Fuji Rose
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    Midgardsormr
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    Thaumaturge Lv 33
    Maybe you're onto something. Perhaps, ... just perhaps. Our "other" class will be Red Mage, then some of those spells might make sense.
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    Is your mind going to be your weapon,.. or your weakness?

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    Xenor Vernix
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    Ragnarok
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Freeze is useful on Garuda if you are not killing the plumes. But if you have a SMN you won't be on bind duty.

    Flare is best used when you're under 700 MP, right before Converting. Or if it will finish off a mob group use it then Transpose while running to the next group.

    Manawall is awesome. My favourite usage is right before Repel in AK. You don't even get knocked back. Can only use it once in that fight due to the recast however.

    Apocatastasis is a waste of an ability. Much like Aerial Manipulation (THM I know) yet these are meant to be two of our better abilities based on when you get them.
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    Mehrea Heartless
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    Moogle
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    I lol at people trying to teach us how to use flare yet using it incorrectly... Most of us probably know how to use it correctly and still find it underwhelming. Why don't we have some high cooldown NUKE spell ?

    And no one but me is shocked by the fact WHM have a better AoE dps than BLM ?
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  6. #66
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    Dante Orpheus
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    Shiva
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    Archer Lv 50
    Apocatastasis is a waste of an ability. Much like Aerial Manipulation (THM I know) yet these are meant to be two of our better abilities based on when you get them.
    It's so true sadly ... the skill itself is so useless that most BLM i know don't even have it in the skill bar which I don't really mind because I know he isn't helpful at all in most situations. Even more questionable is the fact that the BLM can only cast the skill on a party member except him/herself ... And why is there no area of effect for this buff like with the skill "Mantra" of the MNK it would make the skill itself a little bit better. Please Square Enix swap that no use at all skill with something useful for the BLM like for example i dont know ... maybe a "Silence" As in other versions of FF the BLM didn't only had attack spells he had some crowd control / debuff spells too. There is nothing wrong to adjust something really useless with something that comes in handy
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    Last edited by Leraje; 10-21-2013 at 09:23 AM.

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    Etoinelle Dolet
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    Ultros
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    So taking out the crappy spells, what would the ideal rotation be?
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    Mikeash Stormcaller
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    Mateus
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    Thaumaturge Lv 30
    I really wish they would give BLM a thunder spell...they got rid of burst for some reason.
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  9. #69
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    Thank you for your continued feedback on the usefulness of each ability. As you can imagine, we'll continue to make class and job adjustments on a patch by patch basis as necessary. However, at this point, we can't comment just yet on whether or not we'll make adjustments to abilities like Freeze or Apocatastasis for the upcoming PvP system as its not yet implemented.
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    Robert "Hvinire" Peeler - Community Team

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    Dec Ember
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    Diabolos
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    I like the idea of Aetherial Manipulation a lot and I use it whenever possible (such as grouping up for WHM aoe heals), but the problem is it is not an effective escape in PvE because it doesn't seem to update your position until you reach the end. The further you 'blink' the longer the game thinks you're not moving. For example if you use it on Titan HM in a landslide you will get hit virtually every time to aoe effects whereas never if you just run, the move should really not have the powerglide because your character is not actually moving as far as the game is concerned, I would much prefer it to instantly teleport you to the targeted party member.
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