I hope this game doesn't become like FFXI

[Suirieko]

people who demand this game become FFXI-2 are holding back the game developing

they against every ideas to make this game become what MMO should be, want to keep XIV remain what they used to have in XI

God you should be a comedian because that was a very hilarious post to read.

Oh wait.

What?

Oh you were serious. OOOKAY.

Just for that I'm going to give you a giant post. You must be happy.

Okay. Exactly what part of FFXI would hold FFXIV back, I mean aside from the fact that the way FFXI was designed as a glorified PS2 emulator thus ultimately holding the game back from the potential of what it COULD've had, but can't.

I mean seriously, FFXI still had a lot of great things that FFXIV could've benefited from.

1. Auction House. Though, personally I'm against it. Market Ward is doing a fine enough job as it is now, but still has room for a lot of improvement. This is just one of the examples. However, in the beginning, Market Ward was completely unbearable and very troublesome, sticking with Auction House originally would've solved a lot of problems initially. However, the Market Wards have evolved to a point where there's no need to waste resource to add an auction house now.

2. Chocobo. Do I really need to say more.

3. Mog House. Again, do I really need to say more?

4. Outpost Warp. This is what the game should've had instead of using Anima warp to outposts. It made more sense this way to me. However, I would like see some sort of a unification between The outpost warp that FFXI had and the current anima warp to camps in place.

5. Airship. See: #2 and #3.

6. Ballista/Brenner PVP event. IMO the only form of PVP that FFXIV should have. Completely optional and completely separate from the game. No rewards out of pvp period. It should only be a recreational thing.

7. Endgame events. It doesn't have to be exactly like what FFXI have, hell it doesn't need to be similar but SE have the right ideas with how a lot of endgame events should be handled and made it fun, Especially events like Salvage, Limbus, and Assaults.

8. Delivery system. See #2, #3, and #5.

9. Search Feature and Party Invites seeking feature. (This one's gonna be a rant.) There exists no known bounds on how much this baffled me in FFXIV. This system worked so well in FFXI, that FFXIV should've kept it for FFXIV in the first place, and probably the one thing that could've solved a number of problems in the first place, or at least made a lot of people happier. I mean come on, It's virtually impossible to count Every. single. Players on how much they disliked having to find people themselves, or how much they disliked having to start a party. This is like the first thing they should be adding ASAP.

10. FFXI's bazaaring system. (Again, incoming rant.) Okay, I know there's a bazaar system in FFXIV, but I find a few things VERY annoying about it. 1) How you can't move when you have the bazaar open, and 2). How you have to be within a certain distance to be able buy items from bazaar. Again, this worked just fine in FFXI, so why change it? Proof concept on the saying "If it's not broken, don't fix it."

11. A fully functional UI layout that are very organized and actually made sense. Again, a unification of what FFXIV currently have and FFXI's UI would do very well. Now, don't get me wrong, there IS a few things I like about it: Being able to move or resizing certain widgets was the one thing (and only) thing I actually liked about it. You should've also been able to pick various backgrounds for it as well.

Seriously, I could go on and on about this, but I'll stop here.

Some features can (and should) be evolved to become even better. FFXI had a LOT of limitation, don't get me wrong, but guess what, it's still going on for 9+ years now,

The bottomline is. This is how FFXI did very well. They kept things simple, and enjoyable for players, but even FFXI had a bad start. I won't get into that.

Even with all these features, it's still not going to be FFXI-2. I just can't even picture it at all.




Sourpuss Summary: (Aka for those that say TL;DR)

The point is, SE should've took the feature of what made FFXI good, improve it, and stick it in FFXIV. THAT's what the issue is, they just completely avoided what FFXI had and tried to invent something new which lead to an insane trainwreck.

[Evangela]

if it was that great then why it's a niche market MMO?

[Elexia]

if it was that great then why it's a niche market MMO?

There's nothing wrong with niche.

You know what else is Niche?

Disgaea.

It's well known to not be a bad game.

Know what else is Niche?

Checkers/Rally's burger place. Not a bad place either.

Know what else is Niche?

Fabulous Burgers.

Know what other game is Niche?

Ys.

Bad games? Nope.

[Elexia]

it's a good game but not a superb game

if it's not a niche, it would make more income for SE

and I think FFXIV goal is not just become another niche so you people (XI nerds) better stop holding them back

FFXIV sunk because it didn't build off of XI, so the only thing holding the game is back is them not even getting the basics correct.

[zaviermhigo]

Niche games are better in my opinion, i know it doesn't make money, but it shouldn't be all about money. I typically don't like games "everyone can play" time sink or no time sink. I hate games everyone can play, even if it does get more money. MMOs aren't one genre, FFXI and old school games were a genre people liked and its not getting fulfilled right now, some of us had our hopes in FFXIV. I still FFXIV will be a great game but I don't think this game will every be great enough, in my opinion, to pull me away from the real world like FFXI, aka being sucked into a game, I'll play single player rts that suck me in more.

[Suirieko]

if it was that great then why it's a niche market MMO?

The whole "Niche market" phrase just annoys me to no ends.

The biggest reason why WoW have huge number of subscribers compared to FFXI was this: Because Blizzard marked the crap out of it. You STILL see tons of advertisements on WoW compared to FFXI.

Do you see commercials or even advertisements on FFXI? I've not seen a single add on FFXI for a very long time. (though I'm sure they still do some advertisement in Japan).

The other point is: So what?

FFXIV is already doomed to be a "niche market" in the first place was because of how bad it is reviewed in the first place. The highest point in FFXI was 750,000 subscribers, which is still a lot. It's not going to make a damn different in game because more players = More servers, and if servers get too populated, it will be closed to new players.

Also:

FFXI, for the longest time (and until recently) was very challenging to new players. New players HAD to learn to really avoid mobs, learn to interact with new players and find parties in order to reach their goals, including leveling up, getting equipments, and job artefacts.

FFXI forced the players to learn the basic necessities of how to survive the game as they leveled up. Everything they learned while leveling up, they would apply it to the endgame adventure. Finally, things weren't handed to players easily. They had to work for it, and work with other people to get the gears.

The bottom line is: You will NEVER be successful on your own, you must learn to rely on other players to be successful.

Frankly, FFXIV should be the same. It should be challenging but fun for players. I don't like gears that are handed to me with little effort to get.

I believe in this saying: if it's too easy to get, then it's probably not worth it.

[Drex]

XI is not a superb game, it a niche market so it's a superb game just for XI players

opinions are opinions ... there is not much to talk about..... none wants you to like FFXI...

my point wasnt about the quality of FFXI...

"people who demand this game become FFXI-2 are holding back the game developing" <<<< nosense

[Ostia]

Im wondering why ppl that have almost 200 posts in an official forum, of a game they dont like, produced from a company that makes games they dont like.... /mumble mumble

boredtroll?

He said the game sucks, wish is true, the game does sucks, that does not mean he does not like it, the NBA sucks right now, does it mean i dislike basketball ?

[indira]

well ffxi is super noobie now you can get 200 exp a kill solo compared to 15exp you used to get, ffxiv is super noob mode still hope it gets harder. maybe when they change the job classes it will be more of a challenge. a mmorpg should not be made for soloing or whats the point of being a MMO, why should i play when there better single player games out there.

[Nuru]

There are things that FFXIV needs from FFXI and then there are things that do not need to be carried over.

I have faith in the dev team. Patch 1.18 is going to set "a first impression"