The markets, stalls, price listing and undercutting. (A suggestion)

[Mack]

Because he is most likely not looking for a profit or a lot of gil, he most likely just wants to get rid of the item. I do this all the time with gear, I'll throw it up for stupidly low amount just to get rid of it, its better than NPCing

If that's the case they may as well just sell it to an NPC vendor. People don't care imo. Not everyone cares because a video game at the end of the day is a video game and time value doesn't mean squat to some people which makes sense. IMO that is why the TC's point about not listing all prices is a good one.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Sounds ignorant.

lol

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[viion]

If that's the case they may as well just sell it to an NPC vendor. People don't care imo. Not everyone cares because a video game at the end of the day is a video game and time value doesn't mean squat to some people which makes sense. IMO that is why the TC's point about not listing all prices is a good one.

If I get 1k from an NPC but can get 80k from an ward even with a 60% reduction, I'm going to the ward......

[Jieddo]

If I get 1k from an NPC but can get 80k from an ward even with a 60% reduction, I'm going to the ward......

This

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[Physic]

Newsflash: that's the market telling you that the item was overpriced to begin with.

incorrect, looking at what vion said, he basically said, i can afford to sell items cheap, because i dont consider gathering, or the act of crafting to be work, so its all free. Its impossible to compete with people like him, because in thier mind anything cheaper than npc is not that bad. For a proffesional crafter, or manufacturer, things such as item costs matter. sure, i got a bunch of iron ores from months of leves, that i may not have used yet, but after thats done, i have to either farm or buy the items, If you were actually consistently selling these are real issues, but they are not, when you are simply skilling up, you just want exp, breaking even can be fine for you.

I really dont know if there will ever be a solution to this really, everyone puts different values on thier time. Its not real life where you need a constant source of money, where you dont work for entertainment, but because you have to, and even if you do, you still need to get a premium value or your quality of life suffers.
If your broke in this game, you cant buy new armor, but if you already have armor, being broke really doesnt matter, its not even like we have to buy food in this game.

This funnily, causes both items to be dirt cheap, and items to be retardedly expensive. On one end there is a wealth of money and not that much to spend it on, on the other side there isnt a large desire to maximize profits. The way i see the economy panning out at this rate, is basic items comparitively worthless, and when they have rare items, they will be worth insane amounts of money (if they have any super rare items)

[Oscillate_Wildly]

Not every item is over priced. Now you're just over looking people blatantly TELLING you that they're selling at lower prices because they don't want a profit, they don't want it anymore, they're impatient.

A point a friend of mine brought up is just because you don't see bots, doesn't mean boting isn't going on.


The general consensus I'm getting from you all right now is "There's no point in attempting to make a profit from crafting, because everyone crafts and therefore there's no point." Not every 'crafter' crafts every job, not every crafter is a bot, nor do they belong to elitist shells that benefit from each other.

A lot of you admit that the market is flawed, and gil sinks aren't a permanent fix but they would most certainly help if not in the long term, the short term. There are many who have already proven my point that undercutting has nothing to do with the supply or demand, but because they're impatient and want their items sold first, and the fastest.

From the over saturation to the laissez faire attitude, something ought to be done. We all know that the last patch on the MW was not the last, and any discussion into fixing it is brushed off as though "this is reality, that's too bad" is a valid option.


Ahahha, even rarer items, ones which come from NM drops or high level monsters that require large groups to take down, the price may be high at first but as soon as word gets out the prices for them go from 2 mil to 300k in about a day. Were they over priced? Perhaps, but who are you to say they are over priced to begin with? They were rare, hard to get, required a mid level crafter to make, and in low supply. Why not post them high, see where you are in a week, then lower the price to sell. You don't just decide in one day "Well, I've had it. It hasn't sold in the last hour, I'll just cut the price by 75%"

The impatience is a lot of the problem with this game and latest patches and fixes. No one is willing to wait, they want everything now. How is anyone supposed to feel a sense of accomplishment in this game when everything you do is useless.

[Mack]

If I get 1k from an NPC but can get 80k from an ward even with a 60% reduction, I'm going to the ward......

So then you care about return and you shouldn't be selling at a loss which was your argument initially: "Because he is most likely not looking for a profit or a lot of gil".

[Powercow]

Newsflash: that's the market telling you that the item was overpriced to begin with.

This, this, a thousand times, THIS!

If you are charging a reasonable price and people are undercutting you, that's fine, your stuff will eventually sell.
If it doesn't sell, then you're selling your stuff for too much. The increased supply from sellers means the price *should* go down.

If it's not worth your time to farm for the mats and craft the item because the profit margin is too small, look to making another item that's more useful and/or has higher demand.

[Rentahamster]

incorrect, looking at what vion said, he basically said, i can afford to sell items cheap, because i dont consider gathering, or the act of crafting to be work, so its all free. Its impossible to compete with people like him, because in thier mind anything cheaper than npc is not that bad. For a proffesional crafter, or manufacturer, things such as item costs matter.

That just goes to show you the value of ranking up a gathering class alongside a crafting class. If you don't want to do gathering, then complain about high materials costs, then that's your problem.

Gatherer invest time into gathering. A crafter who does not gather conversely has a lot of time to spare, relative to the crafter/gatherer player. That means that the crafting-only player should use that time in a more effective manner.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

This, this, a thousand times, THIS!

If you are charging a reasonable price and people are undercutting you, that's fine, your stuff will eventually sell.
If it doesn't sell, then you're selling your stuff for too much. The increased supply from sellers means the price *should* go down.

If it's not worth your time to farm for the mats and craft the item because the profit margin is too small, look to making another item that's more useful and/or has higher demand.

You are absolutely correct in that the pricing being too high in those sort of instances and you have a point that you could focus yourself towards something more in demand and viable. However, it doesn't solve the problem that people are discussing regarding lazy players and people who undercut too much screwing up the system only to get "rid of items".

If there is a choice in which system to use, when it comes to a price window, the lesser of two evils would really be blind pricing with a buy history. I know that this system does complicate things sometimes as far as allowing RMT to band together and control pricing on some materials and items, but that isn't so much of a market issue as it is a STF issue. Implementing systems to cock block RMT allows more player to player issues to arise. Case in point, Viion and kool in the gang's outlook in shrug of the shoulders pricing.