Even SE staff hates Warriors...

[Hachiko]

Wrong you are.

Mitigation is the act of reducing, not eliminating. reducing the damage is mitigation. outright stopping damage, is not mitigating, it's prevention. If you're not taking any damage, then what is there to mitigate? Funny how you googled it, and still got it wrong.

And again, it's not easy for them to hit 5K. DL isn't hard to get, no, but it takes awhile to get decked out in complete DL. So no, it's not easy for them to hit 5K or greater.

First off, no, you're wrong about mitigation and prevention. 100% mitigation is prevention, but that doesn't mean it's no longer mitigation. But why you resort to arguing semantics is beyond me anyway.

Point two, hitting 5k hp on a PLD is extremely easy. 3 DL Jewelry, 3 DL armor, and the rest AK will probably be well over 5k. Fully decked out is ~5500 HP outside of a group and ~5600 in a group, depending on your race.

Point three, WAR does not have (significantly) higher HP. They have 85 more HP base. Once in defiance a WAR will have 25% more HP. Once in shield oath, a PLD will have 25% more HP. Either way they will have the same EHP assuming both have the same gear. Unless you're talking about a PLD in sword oath then yeah, they will have less but they will also have more DPS.

I think it's funny that an AF1 Dragoon thinks he knows something about other classes though.

[Niko_Kishiko]

Most warriors feel like a huge mana sink for a healer unless the warrior is over gearing the content then it's not as bad. Are all the warriors gearing wrong? Are they using the wrong skills? Why is warrior armor paper? It feels like I am healing a mage with a huge hp pool tanking a boss.

If Yoshi says they are fine then all the warriors are just doing it wrong I guess. I mean, I need a little time so I can cure the dd who stands in plumes without the warrior tank dying if he doesn't get a cure every second.

I feel bad for warriors but when I see a warrior tank pop up in my duty finder I am disappointed. I don't rage quit or anything but I think to myself
"this is going to suck." and 9/10 times it does. Every once in awhile I get a warrior that isn't just annoying to keep alive but it means they are just way over geared.

Buff warriors or tell them how to play please. At least give them some hints.

[Slatervonjager]

I think it's funny that an AF1 Dragoon thinks he knows something about other classes though.

I think it's funny that someone that complains about someone using semantics, starts getting semantic himself. I also find it funny, that you contradict your self, in both parts.

1) Prevention is not mitigation. Lrn2english.
2) 6 pieces of DL, and gear taken from AK is not exactly easy. Is it hard? no, but grinding out for all of it doesn't make it easy.
3) Since when does shield oath give HP? oh wait, it doesn't, it grants damage mitigation(remember that word). It gives you "effective" HP, which isn't the same as actual HP, and can swing into either the positive or the negative in usefulness. Failure to understand the difference between actual HP and effective HP is a failure on your part.And if we want to get really semantic about it, the WAR's compliment of healing skills gives them effective HP as well, making them have, significantly higher HP then a PLD. Of course, this is in the hands of someone that knows how to use a WAR, not an idiot.
4) Leave your misconceptions about how gear effects a player's knowledge at the door, because that retarded type of notion only makes you look silly.

If Yoshi says they are fine then all the warriors are just doing it wrong I guess.

WARs do need a few quality of life adjustments(unlike PLD who needs a completely different subclass), but nothing major, so yes, in a nutshell, they are fine. It is a problem that most WARs are doing it wrong.

[Hachiko]

4) Leave your misconceptions about how gear effects a player's knowledge at the door, because that retarded type of notion only makes you look silly.

You don't have a) any endgame experience b) any experience playing a PLD, c) any experience playing a WAR and d) you are demonstrably wrong about your little EHP and mitigation rant.

You should stop embarassing yourself.

[CurlyBruce]

I think semantics is thing people use, an adjective, and also a verb because I don't actually know what semantics is.

You don't "use semantics" or "be semantic" or "get semantic". You argue semantics. It is a field of study in Linguistics. To use your parlance "lrn2english".

Second of all it is always better to increase HP through effective HP instead of actual HP. An effective HP boost of 25% also equates to an effective healing boost of 25%. Sure Warrior gets a 25% actual HP Boost but the Wrath bonus only goes to 15%. All WAR gets for heal boosts is Convalescence and Mantra. Convalescence is borrowed from PLD and PLD's is better. Mantra is a pathetic 5% when subbed so it can't even outclass PLD Convalescence when combined with WARs own Convalescence.

[Aethaeryn]

You don't have a) any endgame experience b) any experience playing a PLD, c) any experience playing a WAR and d) you are demonstrably wrong about your little EHP and mitigation rant.

You should stop embarassing yourself.

He could have another character for all we know.

I don't really agree with anything else he's saying, however. Whether it's 'perfect english' or not, every MMO I've played people referred to defensive cooldowns as damage mitigation. I don't understand why this is even an argument. FFXIV forums are not English 101 or Semantics.

[sasakusaku]

Warriors are hyper squishy I find; they usually require non-stop heals unlike the other tanks. With PLDs, I can dps in dungeon runs but with a warrior I am forced to chain cast cure IIs on even the geared ones.

On the plus side, it seems warriors are superior when it comes to multi mob threat; if I cast non stop heals on pld, I can peel mobs easy but not so with a war.

As to PvP, we shall see. Warriors seem to do a lot more dmg than plds so perhaps it won't be that bad. I don't think anyone is going to survive a drg limit break like in that vid lol.

[Hix]

How is it a "healing problem" when healers are able to keep PLD up but not WAR? If it's easier to heal one kind of tank than another then it's a tanking design problem.

[Ricky]

The only problem with the warrior job are the ID-10-Ts who can't figure it out and are so absorbed in their own self-righteousness they feel it must be SE's issue.

Oh you're right I'm sure it has nothing to do with Paladins having a 20% dr 40% dr and 10 second invuln cooldown compared to the crap Warriors get

[MichuAmane]

Don't care about the semantics issue, or even the warrior/pld issue. I do care when someone automatically decides that it's a healing problem. The it doesn't happen to me ergo is invalid has to stop. Fine u are uber god of tanking. But clearly if someone says I heal pld fine and cannot heal warrior as well then there is a valid point to look at. Basically you're blaming the victim.