Here's how people made millions in 1 month, my story.

[scarebearz]

The economics are one thing, I'd be more interested to hear how he supposedly beat the rest of the server to level 50 Miner by a week without botting, especially since he was competing with bots.

I'd assume he was mining loads on release / early access. Same could be said about those who hit 50 in a 3/4 days.

Bots don't do leve's (loads more exp if he used all his for mining) nor would they optimise their time mining.

They also would not gear up in order to get more items/hq rate, aka more exp, nor would they quickly move to the next best exp spot. I expect they also gather slower time for time.

I doubt bot's could even gather rare nodes (what Kevin was selling), due to long time between spawns / different locations etc etc etc.

[lordjoosie]

Bots don't do leve's (loads more exp if he used all his for mining) nor would they optimise their time mining.

And you can't forget all of the gil you get from leaves. If these guys saved all of their 180ish leaves for 45-50, that's a pretty good chunk of change. The high level leaves give up to 500 gil a pop. You can sometimes also get triple from multi turn in leaves. So that's 90k gil without any triples, they could have conceivably even doubled that if they got lucky on leave selection and cherry picked.

Of course if you had more than twice as much gil from leaves than was possible, like this person:


people might think you used the exploit they just patched that allows you to massively duplicate leave turnins and cheat yourself a pile of gil and a pile of level 50s.

[scarebearz]

And you can't forget all of the gil you get from leaves. If these guys saved all of their 180ish leaves for 45-50, that's a pretty good chunk of change. The high level leaves give up to 500 gil a pop. You can sometimes also get triple from multi turn in leaves. So that's 90k gil without any triples, they could have conceivably even doubled that if they got lucky on leave selection and cherry picked.

Of course if you had more than twice as much gil from leaves than was possible, like this person:


people might think you used the exploit they just patched that allows you to massively duplicate leave turnins and cheat yourself a pile of gil and a pile of level 50s.

You have to wonder how some peoples brains actually function.

Have you ever done a high level triple HQ hand in crafting leve?

It's around 4-5k gil for 1 leve.

Clueless people trash talking genuine players due to sheer ignorance is part of why this community is failing.

If we're guessing though, I'll guess it's a lot more likely that after SE discovered the leave exploit, while they were working on patching it, they did a little math and said something like since the max gil you can possibly obtain from the 180 leaves you have gotten in 30 days is let's say 200k , and your character gained 400k gil from leaves in that time, you are a cheater.

This doesn't mean everyone that was suspended cheated, but we know some did in this exact way. Including one that has posted over 200 times in THIS forum about how unfair these suspensions are. If you're going to be mad at someone be mad at the cheaters. They make it hard for us to believe those who really were innocent.

Yet another arrogant and clueless comment.

If your sure I'm exploiting THEN GET A GM TO INVESTIGATE MY ACCOUNT, LIKE I'VE BEEN ASKING ALL ALONG!

[Subhuman]

You have to wonder how some peoples brains actually function.

Have you ever done a high level triple HQ hand in crafting leve?

It's around 4-5k gil for 1 leve.

Clueless people trash talking genuine players due to sheer ignorance is part of why this community is failing.

If your sure I'm exploiting THEN GET A GM TO INVESTIGATE MY ACCOUNT, LIKE I'VE BEEN ASKING ALL ALONG!

I was posting a similar reply about triple turn in leves but you beat me to it. I had even more earned around that time from leves, approx 450k. There is plenty of people like myself who did a majority of their leves doing HQ triple turn ins for crafting. The only cherry picking done was picking the best triple leve by xp for every tier, not even by gil. If you do some real calculations with all the facts joosie you will see that the max amount you could have earned was way over that screenshot. Try this calculation - add in your original number, then triple it for only doing triples, then add another 200% gil reward for HQ. Even that is short of max, because you are lowballing the amount of gil. Not to mention, the amount of leves you are going off of is all wrong. People who made their characters during the open beta earned leves from august 17th, and the days the game were offline still counted, meaning some people started open beta even with a lot of leves already.

Thats 51 days of leves by the time of that screenshot you quoted, earning 6 leves per day. Even with how much I had, I was nowhere near close to the amount someone could have earned from leves.

If we're guessing though, I'll guess it's a lot more likely that after SE discovered the leave exploit, while they were working on patching it, they did a little math and said something like since the max gil you can possibly obtain from the 180 leaves you have gotten in 30 days is let's say 200k , and your character gained 400k gil from leaves in that time, you are a cheater.

This doesn't mean everyone that was suspended cheated, but we know some did in this exact way. Including one that has posted over 200 times in THIS forum about how unfair these suspensions are. If you're going to be mad at someone be mad at the cheaters. They make it hard for us to believe those who really were innocent.

Would you like to explain then how I have more earned than your threshold listed for leves yet was not suspended? If they sweeped all the characters with a simple check on the amount earned, it would be impossible for me to be passed over if your theory is correct. But, again, look above and do some non ignorance based calculations.

[lordjoosie]

I was posting a similar reply about triple turn in leves but you beat me to it. I had even more earned around that time from leves, approx 450k. There is plenty of people like myself who did a majority of their leves doing HQ triple turn ins for crafting. Th only cherry picking done was picking the best triple leve by xp for every tier, not even by gil. If you do some real calculations with all the facts joosie you will see that the max amount you could have earned was way over that screenshot. Try this calculation - add in your original number, then triple it for only doing triples, then add another 200% gil reward for HQ. Even that is short of max, because you are lowballing the amount of gil.

I was hoping you would use this argument.
If you have that much in your log you're a cheater too. What you fail to recognize is it is EASY for a 45+ crafter to tell you're lying. Takes 1 leave and 5 min of time.
News flash, bonus gil from leaves DOES NOT show up in your achievement log. Only the base amount does. If your log shows that high an amount you cheated. No doubts, no questions.

Scarebearz, you got caught, get over it. I know it's embarrassing that you posted the proof yourself.

[Subhuman]

I was hoping you would use this argument.
If you have that much in your log you're a cheater too. What you fail to recognize is it is EASY for a 45+ crafter to tell you're lying. Takes 1 leave and 5 min of time.
News flash, bonus gil from leaves DOES NOT show up in your achievement log. Only the base amount does. If your log shows that high an amount you cheated. No doubts, no questions.

Scarebearz, you got caught, get over it. I know it's embarrassing that you posted the proof yourself.

Even if that is true, maybe you should recheck my post for edits I added in. Your numbers are off everywhere, and way off on the number you could have done.

Plus, your original assertion was that anyone with that amount got suspended and was a cheater, yet I didn't. I have done everything legit, and I invite you to report me, because it won't amount to anything.

[lordjoosie]

Even if that is true, maybe you should recheck my post for edits I added in. Your numbers are off everywhere, and way off on the number you could have done.

Sorry I replied before seeing edits. If I give you the 51 days and max gil per leave it still doesn't come to 400k gil. You can earn much more than that but your achievement log only shows the base amount.

[lordjoosie]

Even if that is true, maybe you should recheck my post for edits I added in. Your numbers are off everywhere, and way off on the number you could have done.

Plus, your original assertion was that anyone with that amount got suspended and was a cheater, yet I didn't. I have done everything legit, and I invite you to report me, because it won't amount to anything.

Sorry man I missed your edit again. If I said everyone with gil that high in achievement log got banned it was a mistype, I meant that anyone with gil that high at that time on achievement log is a cheater, some just got away with it.

[scarebearz]

The difference in the log after a single HQ hand in (aka could have been 3x more for a single leve):





You are wrong.

No idea why it went up by 2616 and not 2691, but it still proves my point.

Edit, having checked my gil as well, it appears a single HQ hand in for that leve pays 2616, hence the log goes up by 2616, despite the NPC stating 2691.