15 Minute Duty Finder Penalty NOT LONG ENOUGH

[Grailer]

Not when people are abandoning Hard Primals for the reason this thread exists. If you're a DPS you are perpetually screwed when it comes to getting rare gear because you already had to wait 30-90 minutes to DF, or all the elitist snobs on your server are going "LF (primal) Hard, SR, iLVL70, Must be experienced"

And on Excalibur nobody can afford the crafted item twice. As you've already read "oh noe, grey gear, must be noobkickem"

Just use the DF to get experience at primals ( obviously you would have you iLVL70 gear from farming CM ) and once experienced , join the elitist snobs groups .

[Ryios]

No, what they need is vote to kick, so you can kick the problem, which is coming in 2.1/2.2

[BlueMage]

Maybe the OP should "STOP RUNNIN THE PUG" if she has a problem with people leaving because they don't want to play with her. Everybody in queue isn't your personal servant to endure your BS and be held hostage.

[Sterob]

You should read what i typed lol STOP RUNNING PUG IF YOU WANT A GOOD GROUP lol its that simple you elitist jumping in running a bout of pug out of boredom only to leave two seconds later is ridiculous if you want a good group STOP RUNNING PUG!!

and then the next day TS meet 2 tank afk in CM.

[Furio]

Anger he smiles tow'ring shiny metallic purple armour.
Queen jealousy, envy waits behind him.

Thanks for this post OP. Now I don't need to waste 10 minutes trying if we're ever queued up together. I'll just leave upon seeing your name.

[AdvancedWind]

Yet you can't get a weapon better than a level 44 weapon without running AK to get one, see the problem? They (SE) would not have made the dungeon the way it is if it was unfinishable with gear you should have at that point. You have to run AK once or twice to complete the Relic weapon and the GC quest, so the dungeon is obviously completeable without a full party of relic weapon wielders.

The Hard Mode Primals on the other hand, you probably should have every possible gear by that point.

I'll let you in a secret few people seem to know: There's a level 50 dungeon that doesn't even require storyline completion, and it drops better gear than AF / ilv55 weapon. Oh, did I mention you can beat it in a full white gear party, as it's obviously intended to be the entry lv 50 dungeon?

But please don't tell anyone about this. It's a secret.

[Bahram]

I'll let you in a secret few people seem to know: There's a level 50 dungeon that doesn't even require storyline completion, and it drops better gear than AF / ilv55 weapon. Oh, did I mention you can beat it in a full white gear party, as it's obviously intended to be the entry lv 50 dungeon?

But please don't tell anyone about this. It's a secret.

I don't know what you're talking about, it's a known fact that you need at least one relic DPS or you'll never be able to beat Demon Wall.

[Darkstride]

I don't know what you're talking about, it's a known fact that you need at least one relic DPS or you'll never be able to beat Demon Wall.

I hope that is sarcasm because otherwise it is a flat out lie. Lol.

Besides, he was talking about WP, not AK.

[Incredible]

Yeah, definitely don't need relic weapons for the demon wall. Relic weapons help kill it before the bees come out though.

As for running stuff for weapons... Drop 10k on the market and get the pre relic 55 weapon. Not sure why people subject themselves to many primal fights for a weapon unless they have no intention of getting a relic ever.

[Strelnikov]

24 hours is way too draconian and you know it.
30 mins max.

Agreed..

I would do 30 standing on my head, if I didn't have to deal with drama. Actually, it's been 4 days, sometimes I feel the effort is not worth the bother to advance.
That is the real issue. I gave up on playing whm because of drama, and am actually on vacation with pld for the same reason. If we can't agree to work toward the goal without being sniveling gits then we need to try another pastime.