The account suspensions and gil reset leave a black mark on this game.

[Susanoh]

The fact that you put it on the market at 1 million and it didn't sell was your first red flag. However, your greed took over and you sell it for 1.25 million. If a person couldn't afford it a 1 million why sell it at 1.25 million, unless you're targeting the gil buyers. You may be a victim of circumstance but you were a greedy victim of circumstance, it's not going to generate a lot of sympathy. The question you should ask is if you priced it at a point where a new player could afford it, would the gil still be on your character?

This is the type of question that could only be asked by someone who doesn't care much for participating in the markets on any meaningful level. It is as if to say that one should play the markets, just don't play them well, or else you should fear that you'll be flagged for suspicious activity and punished. Imagine if this same ridiculous logic were applied to other parts of the game. Maybe you grinded one too many FATEs, and SE suspects you of experience hacking. Well, let's reset their level to 1 just to be sure. Maybe you completed your relic quest just a little too quickly. You could have glitched the bosses, so let's be safe and destroy it.

You guys saying "price your items low so that everyone can afford them!" are basically asking for the markets to function on a level that is completely backwards to what is natural. If the markets are unable to function the way that they are supposed to due to fear of being punished for performing exceptionally, then it prevents the economy from functioning as normal far more than a little inflation would, and trying to make money in this game becomes a completely boring game of "perform fairly decently and try to guess how much I can make without getting my progress reset." Maybe in a month, a crafting buddy tells me "darn! I made 12 million gil on the markets and SE reset my progress!" and I get to reply "Hah! I only made 9 million and I was safe, you shouldn't have played so well!"

[HumsterMKX]

Nice post Kevin, doubt those "trolling" will actually read it, but still xD

Trolls are ok, they are just out to get you. White Knights > Trolls. Super logic + Trolling + Not letting go.

[Nero92]

I have read every post ITT and the only question I have is where do I get the price guide on gathered materials? for people who made it to 50 first, you were tasked with setting the market price. out of greed, you all set it high. for that, you attracted bad attention and went down b/c of good ol' guilt by association. I can't wait to get all of my crafts to 50 so I can undercut the life out of players like you all b/c I also gather. thanks for the cry fest

[GYX]

The OP's is just sound like her other 25 accounts got the cut.

Only a handful of complainers sound like legitimate victims, and only one so far had cared to explain how he got the Gil to jump-start his business.

Owning millions and crafting high level items, at level 30? with no gathering profession? That's a lot of fish right there.

It's obvious that they are targeting accounts linked to identified Botting/gill seller's accounts, since not all people high on gil got the cut, and people with low gil did get suspended.

A lot of Gil + link to Gill sellers/botters = high chance of being THE head account of the operation. So just wait it out. I'm sure that if in the end you were in fact a victim, you will be compensated.

[Nica]

I have read every post ITT and the only question I have is where do I get the price guide on gathered materials?

There isn’t one, nor will there ever be one, because the supply and demand is always in flux, as they should be.

Do you also ask for a price guide when buying/selling stocks?

for people who made it to 50 first, you were tasked with setting the market price. out of greed, you all set it high. for that, you attracted bad attention and went down b/c of good ol' guilt by association.

For someone who claimed to have read every post, you sure are exhibiting signs that you understood very little of what you actually read.

manufacturers cannot set pricing alone by themselves, pricing is set based on the scarcity of the goods and the demands for them on the market, not based on the whining of random people on the internet who obviously slept through their econ 101 classes.

I can't wait to get all of my crafts to 50 so I can undercut the life out of players like you all b/c I also gather. thanks for the cry fest

See: Opportunity Cost. Things you gather are not actually free, unless of course you value your time and effort as worthless.

Go ahead, do go ahead and gather 100k’s worth of materials and then sell the stuff you made from those for 10k, while you are busy being satisfied with yourself on how you’ve surely just showed all those people who’s boss, I’ll just buy up all the stuff you’re selling at 90% below market cost and put it right back on the market.

[Millerna]

More than that, the character is given a ring to help make that fortune. Its only bonus: Crafting Points! I've prepared an exhibit of SE's own words to summarize:

Where does it specify how much exactly this fortune is that the NPC talks about. For some people, 100k is already a fortune. Fortune doesn't have to mean millions of gil.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the gil should've just been taken away (without at least restoring the items that were sold to make the gil), but just because an NPC in-game talks about a fortune really says nothing.

[KevinC]

Nice post Kevin, doubt those "trolling" will actually read it, but still xD

They won't, they will pretend they never saw it and keep saying crap like "You shouldn't have that much money" or "All those gils are corrupted!!" Such is the destiny of the proud order of the white knights.

[ArkhamNative]

Where does it specify how much exactly this fortune is that the NPC talks about[?]

It sets no upper limit. I believe the game limits a character's maximum gil at 99,999,999; though it probably allows more to be stored on the two retainers.

The answer to your question is probably higher than you think. How much is a RL fortune from selling hamburgers? McDonalds brings in US$27 billion per year, a profit of over $5 billion per year, and pays its CEO, a single person, over $13 million per year in salary, stock and incentives.

[AlahnSiegrain]

Blabla .... free pricing ... blabla ... out of reach prices are fair ... blabla.

I ll start by saying that even tho I main a crafter and I was horrified when they added gear to quest rewards and NPC vendors, after I saw what other crafters did with relics and 2 stars, I gotta say those descisions were GENIOUS.

Wont even commend on relics, since it was indeed a matter of who maxed which craft, but 2 stars HQ are *rare and hard to make*? LOL seriously? Ok lets perform a cost based analysis on a 2star that needs 9 mats (i.e. Obelisk).
To make it you need about 330k for coke and like 20-40 more k for the HQ ds/spruce etc, so max you d need about 370k, lets even make this 400k (which is already overpriced). The price you are calling fair is 1m.

So you are actually saying that its normal for someone to ask for a fee of 600k (400mats+600fee?lol=1m)? Or that you are expecting a normal DoW to be able to afford 1m or even be generous enough to tip you 600k?
Dont tell me that you find it hard to HQ this, its piss easy with some DoH lvl15 skills, everyone can do it.

No sir, you know VERY well to who you are selling this. And dont try to say that: well its added 600k cause its rare! , cause its not. A lot of crafters can make those, and there are like 3 on the market atm.


So to give ya some tips on *free market*, indeed you are free to set a price as high as you want, only if the market is a FAIR free market tho. If there are illegal sources of money in a free market, then they WILL be used, and that makes overpricing not only effective, but also a way to send more people to those sources.

Also, in a game where a normal rank 50 has about 500k, then NO, 1m is not a normal price for a lvl50 item, this is simple logic(lemme help ya, its like 100% more than a DoW's total on 50 :3 )

[Bearssi]

So to give ya some tips on *free market*, indeed you are free to set a price as high as you want, only if the market is a FAIR free market tho. If there are illegal sources of money in a free market, then they WILL be used, and that makes overpricing not only effective, but also a way to send more people to those sources.

Also, in a game where a normal rank 50 has about 500k, then NO, 1m is not a normal price for a lvl50 item, this is simple logic(lemme help ya, its like 100% more than a DoW's total on 50 :3 )

This! In my opinion the price tags on some "HQ" materials and gear were encouraging the other means of acquiring gil than what the game offered.