Legit Players Banned/Punished due to RMT *FOR DUMMIES: A GUIDE*

[Hagito]

I have sold too many things for more than 50k, that's how I have my gil flowing and I have never been suspended. I don't think they will remove your gil if you are a legit player. However, the way RMT works so it's harder to detect could be something like this...

1. Player goes to the RMT website to buy gil.
*here, most of the time, they sign up with the same username and some times with the same password from the game*

2. Once they purchased the gil, the RMT gets online and transfers all the gil from all the gatherers, hacked accounts, etc to one character (hence they state "delivery within 10 minutes").

3. Now that one character has the amount of gil, the RMT then asks the buyer to put in the market X items for X amount of gil so it goes "undetected" or "harder to track". Once that's done then the RMT would ask the player's retainer name to track it and purchase the items the player set up in the market masking it as a "legit transaction".

However, since there are logs, and the player is obtaining so much gil in a short time it is easy to track down the transactions of the retainer, knowing who purchased the items and if several transactions were made to give X player 1-2 mil gil it is pretty much ok to think the player purchased gil, becoming into the suspension and a permanent ban to the account that transfered the funds. HOWEVER I don't think they do more tracking than what I just mentioned, leaving the spammers, bots and hacked accounts out of the map until someone reports those... making it a never ending story, the RMT just gets a new account or a hacked account to get in business again.

Note that hacked accounts IMO are sold accounts because there's no way to get hacked (as I understand), the account is blocked once it detects a diferent IP, happened to me once I gave my beta account to someone else and I was sent an e-mail warning that it was being accessed from a diferent IP and I needed to aprove it. Else, you got to get a new antivirus because most decent ones can detect most spyware, keyloggers, etc.

Also, NEVER register the same password on diferent websites, always on gaming use diferent passwords for each one of them.

I have never purchased gil, but this is how I think they work.

[ashikenshin]

What I take issue with are the implications that crafters somehow have a duty to sell stuff as cheaply as possible to buyers, even at a loss, and that not doing so means they are to blame for people buying gil.

noone is saying this at all.

What is being said is that: normal players cannot reach 500k through normal play questing and such. There wasn't enough gil income in the game. Gil was being duped and there was a lot of gil on the market. Players started selling stuff that would normally would have sold for 10-30k for 70k. Crafters started buying that crap and selling the crafted items for 1-7 million. Gil buyers then in their laziness started buying gil to get the 20 million gil required to get that gear.

You were all in the cycle.

The gil had to be removed from the market. It was removed.

[Schubalts]

The fact they were innocent of knowingly participating in RMT is completely besides the point. If gil was removed, it was gil that was from an RMT source. It's exactly what real police do when they track stolen money... they confiscate it. SE should give the items that were bought with it back, however.

So 99% of all of those people's gil came directly from someone who bought gil? Exactly 99%? If the police have evidence that you unknowingly received stolen or counterfeit money, they don't clear out 99% of your bank account, they charge you with returning exactly the amount that was confirmed stolen or counterfeit (and you can even file to have goods sold unknowingly for that money returned to you).

[ArcheustheWise]

Yes, I'm not a huge alarmist, and I love SE, but this entire situation is really making me consider saying nevermind to this entire game. If I can't make gil, and I'm bored of grinding tomes, what is there for to me actually enjoy in the game? Very weird.

Sadly im in the same situation as you. Ill be honest. I've only somewhat started the grind, and i dont want to do 53 runs of cm to get full df, so what else can i do? well i got crafting to 50 but i really cant net much of a profit out of that either, bots got the AH packed and overstocked on crap. I have to make gil to buy the materials or farm em, which is overbotted.

I guess i could fish?

[Aenarion]

noone is saying this at all.

This is from the last couple pages in this thread alone, nevermind others:

Many items were utterly overpriced and those putting the prices (crafted armor mostly) knew what they were doing… they shot themselves in their own feet when they decided 1.5 mil was decent enough for a crafted lvl 70 item..

When people are selling Sarngas for 500k-1mill on legacy servers a week after launch then claiming not to have suspected the people buying them were RMT strikes me as disingenuous

It's at least partially the seller's own fault for putting their goods up for ridiculously outrageous prices. People would be much less tempted to buy RMT gil if prices were reasonable.

That's fine. Most items were marked up 100+ times what they should have been anyway. That's what tempted people to buy RMT gil to purchase them….

Come again?

You were all in the cycle.

Nope, Legacy here, let’s just say I started with a bit more than 500k, so did a crap ton of other players.

What is being said is that: normal players cannot reach 500k through normal play questing and such. There wasn't enough gil income in the game.

Sigh, this again… do not confuse macro with micro econ, the game economy as a whole, especially on non-legacy servers, have a general lack of gil coming into the system. That however, does not mean there is a lack of economic activity – people can still earn money from other players, they are not required to rely solely on pre-existing gil fountains.

Players started selling stuff that would normally would have sold for 10-30k for 70k.

I find it humorous that you can determine what the normal stable price of an item should be on a new server with a new economy.

Crafters started buying that crap and selling the crafted items for 1-7 million.

Where are people coming up with this 7 mil figure? Even on my legacy server the highest they got was a bit beyond 2 mil, which was completely justified given those were the 18-tomestone item recipes.

Gil buyers then in their laziness started buying gil to get the 20 million gil required to get that gear.

They, and they alone, are responsible for their action. They have always existed in every MMO, and they will always exist for a myriad of different reasons, “laziness” being only one of them.

The gil had to be removed from the market. It was removed.

Negative, the economy has to be balanced, something SE have done a terrible job at so far, even without the RMTs. How SE goes about it is up to them, but if these allegations are true, then they’ve taken one of the least PR/player friendly route.

[ashikenshin]

I guess you don't know what overpriced means. English? hablas español?

edit:

still no meaning of overpriced to be seen. So yeah you fail at english and economics. My economics are fine thank you

[LemmingKingXXX]

Just a theory, but if someone told me that the reason these sorts of threads were being deleted was because, much like the (same sex) marriage threads, they degenerated into a back-and-forth insult-fest and not because of some sort of desire to censor, I would believe them.

[PSxpert2011]

So is RMT are getting banned or is it just crafters being punished who get gil from RMT??

There's no sense of justice??

[scaredchimp]

Sadly this shows how corporate dictatorship is shaping our real life's, your guilty until proven innocent, just look at how SE is handling this and also how corps deal with piracy, and sheep are now acting the same with the whole your guilty act, I would love to know if SE actually show evidence to the victims or just ignore pleas

[Aenarion]

I guess you don't know what overpriced means. English? hablas español?

I bet you thought you were witty didn't you? how cute.

now who died and made you the boss to determine what is overpriced? Just because you feel something is too expensive for you does not actually make it "overpriced".

As a producer of goods, an item is overpriced if the price point rises to the level where it pushes the demand low enough to negatively affect your total profit.

seriously, go back to school for some remedial classes, your econ teacher is crying.