High-level crafters beware: You get suspended if you sell to players who bought gil

[neiris]

When you put stuff on the AH you have no control of who buys it.

They are still perfectly fine selling these items at the price ranges that make it more likely that buyers will purchase gil in order to afford it.

[Sotek]

They are still perfectly fine selling these items at the price ranges that make it more likely that buyers will purchase gil in order to afford it.

So they're to be punished because someone else bought gil? Cool story, etc.

Here is an idea; SE bans the Gil Sellers. They ban the Gil Buyers. Demand for the "ridiculously" priced items drops with no more Gil Buyers. People lower the price because of that, if buying Gil is indeed the only way to afford such prices (it isn't).

Nope. Instead, lets ban the sellers, the legitimate players who took their crafts to 50 with the intent of making money. Lets lower the supply of these items even more, that wont drive prices up or anything... Low supply and ridiculously high demand? Why, that has never resulted in insanely inflated prices !

[neiris]

So they're to be punished because someone else bought gil? Cool story, etc.

Here is an idea; SE bans the Gil Sellers. They ban the Gil Buyers. Demand for the "ridiculously" priced items drops with no more Gil Buyers. People lower the price because of that, if buying Gil is indeed the only way to afford such prices (it isn't).

Soooo basically you're saying until the RMTers are banned, it's perfectly fine for the RMT money to be transferred from the buyer to these crafters, and the crafters (who should know this is going on to some extent) shouldn't be punished at all and it's ok to keep these high prices as long as RMT money is coming in? They're not the ones buying the gil so it's ok, right? I'm not saying this is totally what is going on, but I honestly don't think these people with 10mil+ gil are totally innocent. Do I think a ban/perma ban is a little harsh in this situation? Sure.

Also, "cool story" to you as well "bro". :P

[ShinrinCole]

Edit2: I just got off the phone with support. The support fellow (very helpful) let me know that the account is banned for 72 hours for RMT investigation. He put me on hold for a few minutes and came back to let me know that his colleagues are all dealing with calls about this as well - his best guess is that they blanket banned folks with a lot of gil and will be figuring out which are RMT and which aren't. This is a terrible way of going about this, but it's better than directly being banned for the titular reason

From the reddit page, also posted in another topic about this as well.

[LordSideKicks]

No official info.. Keep guessing guys. I bet RMT and botters are making this look like a big mess!

[Zumi]

Is the people who got banned have 8 figures or something? That isn't very hard to make on a legacy server where there were some people who started with 99m and 2 retainers full of gil.

[rabbitzero]

Okay, i'm calling BS on this right now. It's deflecting, trying to make Square look like the one doing wrong. Most of the people in the thread gloss over this part, and bold the part about RMT.

2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats,bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

It never said they got banned because of crafting or selling or what, just what the posters say happened. Some of the wording of the people saying they were banned, like this passage:

what violations can someone get blamed for acquiring legitimate amounts of money (Well over 8 digits) using in-game mechanics and economics?

Seems to say they were exploiting, as i hear that from exploiters all the time, "The game lets us do it, how can it be an exploit?", like the Titan bug, the Coil bug, or the exploit with allagan gold pieces on the AH.

[ShinrinCole]

Okay, i'm calling BS on this right now. It's deflecting, trying to make Square look like the one doing wrong. Most of the people in the thread gloss over this part, and bold the part about RMT.



It never said they got banned because of crafting or selling or what, just what the posters say happened. Some of the wording of the people saying they were banned, like this passage:



Seems to say they were exploiting, as i hear that from exploiters all the time, "The game lets us do it, how can it be an exploit?", like the Titan bug, the Coil bug, or the exploit with allagan gold pieces on the AH.

so selling rare items at a high price is an exploit?

[Sotek]

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As people have pointed out, we have absolutely no way of knowing someone is buying Gil. In fact, anyone on a Legacy server should damn sure not expect that, given the ridiculous amounts some people brought over from 1.0.

What would you suggest we do instead, though? Not sell anything, because Gil Buyers are about? That's inane. Lower the prices? To what? What exactly is a non-ridiculous price? Supply/Demand dictates an items value, if the Demand is skewed by Gil Buyers that is not the fault of the seller.

[Zumi]

Like I said a lot of legacy people started at gil cap which would be 99m so selling several 2 star items for several million is not uncommon.