Will Warriors ever get any LOVE?

[Sentinel]

I have said this before and I will say it again, give WAR a passive that turns all their self heals into a shield if they end up over healing themselves, this will balance them out and also lower the skill cap required to play them properly. There is a huge skill gap between WAR and PLD which needs to be lowered. This alone will go a long ways into making them on par with PLD. After that, if its still not enough, then talk about doing other buffs with em.

[Nikkita]

Wow guess I didn't know people had an issue with this. My WAR FC members are every bit the tank my PLD FC members are. I actually am ridiculously impressed by our one WARs ability and skill in everything they do. Some us joke when we run dungeons with him that we're just gonna let him solo cuz he doesn't need the rest of us. He's just that impressive.

One of our rising healers had been doing pug groups to help him learn his healing role, he ran with this particular WAR and his comment was please don't try to teach healers the runs with him as tank because they will suck with everyone else because a run with him is such a cake walk. I don't know what he's doing but he's sure as hell is doing it just right.

This really must come down to preference and skill... Nothing wrong with the job in my eyes even as a healer.

[Ryios]

I use Holmgang all the time in AK to clear trash faster. AOE goes all out (and they can kill the wall before the adds spawn so dps is high) and they often pull for me. So I'll plant my feet, holmngang their primary target and in that five seconds I get hate back from them pulling and it can't move while I do that.

[Vmage]

progression content

the warrior's downfall isn't tanking easy stuff, it's tanking hard stuff

PROGRESSION CONTENT

your ease of clear in 'dungeons' or the speed of your 'dungeon' clear is irrelevant to progression tanking

back in phase 3 anyone even halfway decent at number crunching realized paladins would be the superior tank for progression content, but warriors would be able to clear farm content faster

in short: if you're a new 50, a paladin would probably be the better choice for titan - warrior for everything before, if you've almost finished your darklight a paladin would be the better choice for coil - warrior for everything before, if you've almost farmed out coil/af2 there's nothing left for the paladin to be better at - warrior is now an option for coil

tldr - paladins can tank what warriors can an entire tier of gear earlier.

[Lhun]

All you gotta do is look at the stats on some endgame Japanese warrior. There is nothing wrong with war.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/3902146/ <-

See the difference? See how much HP she has? That's BEFORE defiance, before Thrill.
I still need to upgrade my accessories, but yeah:
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2881036/

The point is all you need to do is look at the AF stats to see where everyone is going wrong.

PARRY is your damage mitigation. it can be over 20% sometimes. DEX and PAR affect the RATE at which you parry - you will see this in the damage popup.
Str influences the AMOUNT you parry for. it follows a 40/41/40 trend. The STR tier thresholds for parrying are 243, 283, 324, 364 and 405. The next ones after gear would be 445 and 486. There's a potential 16% damage threshold, and you need DEX and parry rate to parry often. This makes us even. Because everyone is focused on damage mitigation from WAR, you're literally gimping yourself.

for War, 405 is the minimum STR you should be going for for max mitigation. You parry roughly 20% of the time. This may be improved later on - I have to do more theorycrafting.

[Soulscare]

Speaking as a PLD, WAR has it way better... You get to take Flash and Provoke where as we get nothing from other to generate enmity.

[Ryios]

Personally, I'd love to take the AF2 chest because it has parry on it and a DL Helm with some parry on it, but you can't because DL helm is paired with chest.

My point is that I seem to always have a slot somewhere with no parry on it. And Imo, they designed 2 piece gear specifically for this reason, you physically can not find a helm and chest with parry on it, not that I've found. Even if I went AF2 chest for parry, the AF2 helm is without parry.

So while I agree Parry is important, stacking the crap out of it is rather difficult.

[dVsDaMaJa]

Have no problem really tanking that much dungeons as WAR. The provoke is awesome, shouldn't have that many problems if you start the fight out right.

[Ryios]

This conversation isn't really about dungeons. Dungeons are ezpz. This about content like Bahamuts Coil, which is on a whole nother level than Dungeons (Even AK).

[Tronic]

WARs definitely need an enhancement in their healing skills.