Paladin Guide, Why Enmity and Shield Oath Are Broken Currently

[Splice]

unfortunately I think the goal of this post is lost in translation. This really has nothing to do with shield oath and everything to do with a pure baseline test of equal chars using exactly the same rotation of skills but 1 person has a set amount more enmity than the other. To Vindictus: you really need to better quantify the exact amount of enmity difference between the tests. like:

When we both use flash I get (700enmity but my testing partner gets 650 enmity) I think its safe to assume 1 point of dmg is 1 point of enmity and also its been shown prior that enmity does not dissapate. Use weathered broken weapons to reduce dmg from AA to as close to 1 point each as possible. You put in so much time on this why not apply real numbers to your findings?

[PessimiStick]

This thread isn't about Shield Oath. We know it was changed to basically generate the same threat as if you didn't have it on. It gives you 20% DR and that's it.

This thread is about why two PLDs with the exact same stats are generating vastly different amounts on enmity on the same target.

[Soulburn32]

Ok well then the sample size was not large enough to justify that claim.

You would need to test across multiple ingame days, multiple ingame targets. ect ect to make sure.


I think maybe some of FFXI is possibly at play here. During certain in game days or months some spells and abilities would be stronger.

Maybe if the in game day/month matches up with your chosen ones your abilities are stronger.

[SwordCoheir]

http://ventusinvictus.blogspot.com/2...din-guide.html

Just curious, as I may have missed it reading over the blog, but did you take into consideration of the Initial Enmity gained from agro. I can't say for sure how much is given or if it's a temporary Enmity bonus, but I have noticed it's a bit more difficult to reign in hate when someone aside from the tank gets agro/pulls.

[PessimiStick]

Ok well then the sample size was not large enough to justify that claim.

You would need to test across multiple ingame days, multiple ingame targets. ect ect to make sure.


I think maybe some of FFXI is possibly at play here. During certain in game days or months some spells and abilities would be stronger.

Maybe if the in game day/month matches up with your chosen ones your abilities are stronger.

The sample size is plenty large. It's abundantly clear that there is some sort of hidden mechanic skewing the results. The point is that we have no idea what that is. And secondarily, why does it exist in the first place? Two players of the same class with the same stats should be functionally identical.

[Onisake]

Just curious if anyone has tested the effect of MND on flash. it's white magic, and white magic is generally affected by MND.

this would help explain why flash is so pisspoor on WAR.

[Soulburn32]

The sample size is plenty large. It's abundantly clear that there is some sort of hidden mechanic skewing the results. The point is that we have no idea what that is. And secondarily, why does it exist in the first place? Two players of the same class with the same stats should be functionally identical.

I can only go off what is in the blog, every screen shot is of a Lightning Sprite, and all within a reasonably close time to to each other. That is hardly a large sample size to outright say eminty is broken across the entire game.

[Faction]

"Broken" is an interesting term for "nerfed." Defiance/Shield Oath were nerfed in P4, the 2x enmity was super overpowered. Now they simply make up for the damage penalty - IE: You generate the same enmity in Shield Oath/Defiance as you do outside of them!

Just curious if anyone has tested the effect of MND on flash. it's white magic, and white magic is generally affected by MND.

this would help explain why flash is so pisspoor on WAR.

Flash scales with strength, nothing else. It's pretty good for both tanks.

[Tanaya]

Just curious, as I may have missed it reading over the blog, but did you take into consideration of the Initial Enmity gained from agro. I can't say for sure how much is given or if it's a temporary Enmity bonus, but I have noticed it's a bit more difficult to reign in hate when someone aside from the tank gets agro/pulls.

Yes, he has taken it into account. They both took turns pulling first and it was always Ventus that had more threat.

[Ventusinvictus]

The sample size is plenty large. It's abundantly clear that there is some sort of hidden mechanic skewing the results. The point is that we have no idea what that is. And secondarily, why does it exist in the first place? Two players of the same class with the same stats should be functionally identical.

This man is correct, just because the pictures are only showing a few instances doesn't mean I haven't tested this hours upon hours. Originally I was testing Shield Oath until it dawned on me to do this baseline test. There is something very wrong, and if you read we tried several abilities, who tagged first, order, etc.

There is an unknown factor skewing the results.