Yoshi P talks about Warriors- from Producer Letter Live @ TGS

[Xariann]

Actually it does.


I made a post about it on my blog and it's been posted all over this thread and all over this forum. If you don't have a strong enough Inner Beast, if you use your Inner Beast it will result in a LOSS of potential HP every time. I thought that this was the wrong way to view things, and I posted as such. Why did I feel this way? Because I was concerned about the loss of DPS that occurs when you don't use your Wrath. I felt that if you held Wrath V, you lost so much DPS that you were nothing more than a worse PLD.

In one way I was right, but in another away I was wrong. Dead wrong.

While it's true that Wrath V holds the key to some of our hardest hitting moves, it also holds the key to our mitigation as WARs. That 15% curing potency upgrade is nothing to sniff at. Even if you hit a 1500 Inner Beast, you result in a loss of -96 HP as posted in an eye opening thread. In my blog, and on my twitter I said, "Guys, we as WARs have to overcome this threshold. If your DPS does not rise to the level of making that Inner Beast a positive GAIN on HP, you will never be good at your Job."

That's why I started looking into Crit. The ONLY WAY to make that Inner Beast worth it is to Crit that thing (Or use Berserk). Little did I know that my Crit Rate would receive such an extreme lift by Wrath V as well. To the point where my Crit Rate effectively Doubles without even using Internal Release.

I've changed my tune about Wrath V in a complete 180. You do more DPS (far more) when you hold Wrath, than when you release it. Granted, when you think about how much a crit is (1.5x normal damage) You're essentially hitting a Berserk hit, without using Berserk. That's why you can see on my parse screenie that I'm hitting so hard.

Don't think it's RNG. Parsing Averages and DPs numbers are not Random. Far from it.

You are not getting my point though.

First you say use crit to buff Inner Beast. Which is what I thought you wanted Crit for, and I understand that.

Then you say, "Don't ever use Inner Beast until absolutely necessary."

That means that you are stacking crit to have better Inner Beasts, but then you don't use it. So during the time where you are not using it, you are still not more effective defense wise than you were before you had crit, because whether you had crit or not, you still have that 15% healing buff.

So if you stack crit and then hold onto that skill that benefits from it (Inner Beast) then you are not better than you were before stacking crit. You only are those rare times where you use Inner Beast because you don't use it whenever you can.

What I am getting from you is:

1. If you don't have enough crit there is no point in using Inner Beast because you are actually losing out on your hp.

2. If you have enough crit, STILL don't use it until absolutely necessary, don't use it on each of Titan's big moves, but only when healers struggle with healing you after it. So when I DON'T use it after the big move, I will still have been worse than a Paladin who did mitigate that hit. Do you understand what I mean?

Plus I get it that you do more DPS with crit. I really get it. I don't care. I want to know that I have better defensive abilities. And if you read above, I don't see that extra defensive threshold if then you just don't use Inner Beast unless you are in dire need. I am not disputing that keeping the Wrath stacks is good. I am saying that stacking that crit isn't such a HUGE improvement DEFENSIVELY because you don't utilise the crit in a defensive manner often enough.

If the problem is surpassing that negative HPS threshold, then lots of crit should equal to lots of Inner Beast usage. Not to "Lots of crit, but STILL don't use Inner Beast" which is what threw me off in your replies. If the extra crit doesn't make you want to use Inner Beast more often, then no point in stacking it if you are after a better way to stay alive. You might as well stack strenght and keep your Inner Beast for emergency as you are doing already.

Also the maths on that thread don't take into consideration your normal crit, with use of Inner Release throughout the Chimera encounter, it's 15%ish for me without any crit stacking gear wise.

Someone also showed me some numbers from a reddit thread. He said,

"Taking an example of a Bard in full Darklight gear with Relic weapon, they received these results:

1 Determination/Crit rate = 0.033% damage increase
1 Dexterity = 0.2% damage increase
1 Weapon damage = 1.55% damage increase

As we can see, WD is beyond the best increase, so getting a +1 on your weapon is worth about 8 primary stats (str/dex/vit/int/mnd) and one primary stat is worth about 6 secondary stats.

A single WD is worth almost 50 secondary stats, so yes, it's really worth upgrading from Relic to Relic +1.

But also, apparently the WD scales off your primary stats, so the higher your primary stat is, the less damage increase you will get from WD. At the current level of this game, this is a non-issue, but it might pose a problem in the future when max level is perhaps 70+."

If those numbers are true and if strength contributes the same amount of damage to a melee than dex does to a ranged, then you wouldn't care about crit because:

1. You actually do less damage than with stacking strength
2. You need a lot more points in crit to get the same amount of damage increase as strength, therefore needing a lot more materia slots, and you only have a finite number of those so your damage caps a lot earlier than it does with strength
3. If by stacking Strength, your Inner Beasts are consistently better, even if they don't crit as often, the overall HPS might still increase and surpass the negative threshold because strength means more damage than crit overall

On top of that you don't know:

1. How much strength the person who posted your "eye opening thread" has
2. How he gets 2.0 skill speed
3. Can you, by stacking crit, surpass the HPS of him using 2.0 skill speed? Because of course, if you are stacking skill speed, you are out of Materia slots for crit