Yoshi P talks about Warriors- from Producer Letter Live @ TGS

[pepero]

No, I think it would be possible to have one tank as a main tank, and another tank that specializes in off-tanking mechanics, or some other aspect. I also stated I think WARs need a fix.

Also, don't you think a 20 year old game (its just nearing 14 btw) would have some credence in viable game-play just based on the fact that its been around for so long?

Having PLD brought to all end game content and force WAR to offtank maybe some areas of endgame and sit in 4man dungeons is viable game-play? A 20 year old game that uses this train of thought doesn't mean it's a good train of thought just because it has been around for 20 years.

[Warlyx]

PLD´s dont want Wars to be fixed , they want to MT everything while wars OT.

in 2 months there will be 0 wars running around and ppl that wanted to tank , rerolling PLD (if they arent already)

Plds dont want competition for MT role? lol GL with that when every WAR reroll PLD if SE doesnt fix warriors.

having 1 job for MT and another for OT is bad design.

[Ehayte]

Having PLD brought to all end game content and force WAR to offtank maybe some areas of endgame and sit in 4man dungeons is viable game-play? A 20 year old game that uses this train of thought doesn't mean it's a good train of thought just because it has been around for 20 years.

You are not understanding me - partially my fault. My thought would be to create mechanics that would allow WARs to do things very easily that PLDs would struggle with, through various adjustments. I am simply presenting an idea that would be alternative to have two different classes competing for the exact same role. Black Mage and Summoner are both caster dps, but they are desired for different reasons. I am not resisting a fix to WARs at all, I am advocating it.

Also, I do think a paid service being around for 20 years speaks to its success. Since its a GAME, I would imagine that the GAME PLAY is pretty good if it has been financial viable for 20 (14) years.

[Skies]

Hrm... Just wondering but.
Have you guys considered that maybe you're holding too dearly to your wrath stacks for the healing buff and not considering that rapid and constant self-healing by spending those stacks might be worth more?
I can't say much on these regards i'm just slowly inching into endgame myself and i'm a Dragoon but the theory behind Warrior seems to be to have enough HP to take any big hit and not overburden the healers any more than normal by healing what a Paladin would mitigate by yourself.

That said, here have a link of a party dealing with Turn 5 of the Coil with a Warrior tank

[C-croft]

I still think we might be doing it wrong..... Just maybe.....

[HiirNoivl]

Hrm... Just wondering but.
Have you guys considered that maybe you're holding too dearly to your wrath stacks for the healing buff and not considering that rapid and constant self-healing by spending those stacks might be worth more?

I found this to be true.

[Kitru]

I found this to be true.

You *opine* that it happens to be true. There isn't one whit of mathematical evidence that it actually happens to be true since you behave as if every Inner Beast that you use every 20 seconds is buffed by Berserk and Inner Release.

The only Inner Beasts that are worth using are those that are heavily buffed by DPS CDs when you're getting jack and shite for heals over the next GCD or one that is proceeded immediately by the use of Inner Beast.

Just because you happen to use it and happen to not die doesn't mean that it's actually better. Wrath V is *way* better than Inner Beast outside of a few conditions that cannot be constantly maintained nor will they always be immediately available because you can only burn one off-GCD ability between attacks.

[Faction]

Hrm... Just wondering but.
Have you guys considered that maybe you're holding too dearly to your wrath stacks for the healing buff and not considering that rapid and constant self-healing by spending those stacks might be worth more?

Yes, the theory. Keyword: Theory. We've had more than enough theory in this thread to supply a philosopher for years. We don't need more.

That said, here have a link of a party dealing with Turn 5 of the Coil with a Warrior tank

A warrior offtank, who himself posted that he had to kite his targets around when a gladiator wouldn't have, because warriors can't actually take hits.

[HiirNoivl]

But Maths and stuff!

You have to press buttons to get it up that high!

My math says you're wrong!

If you played WAR correctly your math doesn't add up. I can use 2 IBs in one Berserk so that totals to between 3500 to 5800 HP regenned and half the time I don't even need that much! lol

My rotations insure that my IBs are buffed, no worries.

A warrior offtank, who himself posted that he had to kite his targets around when a gladiator wouldn't have, because warriors can't actually take hits.

WARs can't kite worth beans. He's setting there with 7500 HP and calling that mitigation. No wonder he has to kite. What WARs have to do is catch hate on multi targets and DPS the bejeezus off of one and kill it to mitigate the damage through self healing and the "Death" debuff.

[C-croft]

off topic: Hiir how is coil going anyway these days?