Yoshi P talks about Warriors- from Producer Letter Live @ TGS

[Logic4u]

this thread was suppose to be out discussing Yoshi's statement not a bitch fest about who is the better tank. Take the pissing match elsewhere there are a ton posts already created for that.

To get back on topic, Imo it does appear that the Devs feel War current state is fine based on the comments. I interpreted the in development comment to mean the internal testing environment using current attainable spells and gear. I'm wondering if we are missing important due to not enough theory crafting.

[Thyrllan]

I understand WoW has bred a generation of self-entitlement, the likes of which have never been seen. And I'm fine with seeing WAR get increased self healing, but the 2 classes should not be homogenous, that is just lame, and boring.

"WoW bred casuals!" is becoming the new Godwin's law.

[Faction]

I have absolutely no problem with WAR getting buffed people, increase the shi*t out of their health regen I don't care, the only thing I have a problem with Faction is that you want pld to have equal defense, I'm sorry but war just wasn't designed that way.

After spending the entire thread talking about how WAR is perfectly fine and saying that it's all "strengths and weaknesses," white items paladin comes out and backtracks entirely. Surprise surprise!

It's really weird that you suddenly have "no problem with buffs" when according to you, WAR and PAL are perfectly balanced! It's just STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES!

[Sephirah]

After spending the entire thread talking about how WAR is perfectly fine and saying that it's all "strengths and weaknesses," white items paladin comes out and backtracks entirely. Surprise surprise!

Because you're so pro calling me a white-item paladin, even though the only difference in the content we've played through is Titan. You got lucky and beat Titan once, spent the rest of their time running CM and AK and thinks you know more about end-game content than I do because you have your relic. If you re-read the entire post, you'd see that I have already said I'd be fine with increased self-healing. If you chose to ignore that previously in another attempt to discredit me, then that's your own fault.

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Yes, PLD will always be better at straight up taking a hit. This was how they were designed, it's what makes them a PLD. That does not mean that they are the "best" tank for all situations.

If you define being the "better" tank as being able to straight up mitigate the most damage, then you need to role a PLD, because WAR was not designed that way.

you are right.

Paladin is designed for reduce incoming dmg
Warrior is designed to conter incoming dmg with his selfheal.

The truth is, the Selfheal is way to low to conter.

Dont get me wrong, i dont want that SE will add dmg reduce abilities to WAR, but they Need to push his selfheals.

I'd be totally fine with that.

It's really weird that you suddenly have "no problem with buffs" when according to you, WAR and PAL are perfectly balanced! It's just STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES!

Yes, I do think they are well balanced, but I'm not against them getting buffed in certain areas, if their dmg and hp regen was increased that would be really good I think. I'm only advocating that the classes should not become homogenous by increasing their defense.

Just for arguments sake, if warrior had its hp regen and dmg buffed to the point where WAR was the new class of choice and everyone thought pld was underpowered compared to them. I WOULD BE FINE with this, as long as a PLD could still take a hit better than a WAR, it's what makes the PLD a PLD, having superior defense.

[Faction]

Right now, you are first place in the backwards cycling world championship.

FYI you can buy items on par with ak gear from the market for like 3k each. Just a tip.

[Sudboyz]

My take-away from this is, clearly the Devs are better at using Warriors, most likely because they aren't trying to use them like a PLD, and as far as they are concerned, they are a good class.

I tend to agree, I think all the whining about not being able to Main Tank coils is pointless because none of them have the level appropriate gear that they SHOULD have before even stepping foot into it. Once Crystal Tower is added and they have the appropriate gear, you'll see them MTing coils. They also have said that it is more difficult to be a good WAR, so "showing off" is if you're a WAR AND good, as an unskilled player will most likely not be a very good WAR.

CT is a tier up... you shouldn't need better get to get into a lower tier raid.

[Duelle]

I really hope this happens. If it does, I will spam the forums about how PLD is fine even though I know otherwise and tell you all how infallible Yoshi-P is. See how you like it.

Reducing yourself to the level of the naysayers does not become you. Besides, there's plenty of us in the PLD ranks that want to see WARs get buffs/overhauls/redesigns. An unbalanced tank pool is a bad thing, and it needs to be sorted ASAp to prevent permanent and stupid labels.

[Aleph_One]

After spending the entire thread talking about how WAR is perfectly fine and saying that it's all "strengths and weaknesses," white items paladin comes out and backtracks entirely. Surprise surprise!

It's really weird that you suddenly have "no problem with buffs" when according to you, WAR and PAL are perfectly balanced! It's just STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES!

Either you're intentionally misinterpreting Sephirah's arguments, or your reading comprehension skills leave much to be desired.

[Sephirah]

CT is a tier up... you shouldn't need better get to get into a lower tier raid.

CT is not a tier up, it was intended to be released with 2.0. The progression is supposed to be Primals>Crystal Tower>Coils.

[Sudboyz]

PLD couldn't parry with Shields equipped

This touches on the subject of mitigation imbalance (not saying that Warriors are supposed to mitigate as much). We know there is a severe imbalance between the two classes, what if PLD couldn't parry, and Warriors can't block? That would level that out instead of PLD parry+block and WAR just parry. They could tweak the numbers afterwards to the desired effects. IMO, this would reduce a variable between the two classes making them easier to balance. Thoughts?