This Bard stacking thing needs to be dealt with

[MartyMcfly]

There is just no reason to bring in a Monk or Dragoon over a Bard at this point.

Another reason for this, is the game did not launch with natural raid progression, which only compounds the issue. We are using gear a tier below what should be worn in Binding Coil (aka we should have iLVL 80 gear from Crystal Tower, instead of the 70 Darklight gear.).

For veterans of the MMO genre, they know that melee almost always get the shaft compared to ranged, however it is much more noticeable in this game.

[Thotor]

I would be very interested to see what Yoshi has to say about this...the game should have been designed to be beatable with a "mix" of classes like you are all saying. I am sure they must have tested this...right?? Or am I giving them too much credit. I don't think I am...they have to know the DPS and mechanics it takes to defeat the content...hell...they designed and set the numbers. Just because it is easier with multiple BARDS because that is what people have figured out what works first does not mean that is the end all be all of the game. Hey maybe in the later turns you will not want BARDS becasue of some reason...and then you need like 2 or 3 Monks to be most effective.

Right now, one step is missing between Titan and Coil, so group optimization is different to what it should be.

[RathSkybreaker]

I would be very interested to see what Yoshi has to say about this...the game should have been designed to be beatable with a "mix" of classes like you are all saying. I am sure they must have tested this...right?? Or am I giving them too much credit. I don't think I am...they have to know the DPS and mechanics it takes to defeat the content...hell...they \.

I don't see the reason to be butt hurt , up until coil two, we've had this setup

2 whm *scholar would work*
2 Brd
1 Pld
1 War
1 Drg
1 Mnk

it works fine, that's actually pretty much every class except for black mage , smn , and scholar, which smn sucks, scholar is viable, and you have to have blm for turn 4.. soooo... yeah..

[Mikedizzy]

There is just no reason to bring in a Monk or Dragoon over a Bard at this point.

Another reason for this, is the game did not launch with natural raid progression, which only compounds the issue. We are using gear a tier below what should be worn in Binding Coil (aka we should have iLVL 80 gear from Crystal Tower, instead of the 70 Darklight gear.).

For veterans of the MMO genre, they know that melee almost always get the shaft compared to ranged, however it is much more noticeable in this game.

This guys group on here is running Monk and says they are doing fine...why are you so angry then? They are getting it done. It may not be net, net best but it is working and therefore doable...if you are playing with jerks that are min/max bias then maybe switch who you are playing with and play with a party that will be more open to party organization.

[MartyMcfly]

This guys group on here is running Monk and says they are doing fine...why are you so angry then? They are getting it done. It may not be net, net best but it is working and therefore doable...if you are playing with jerks that are min/max bias then maybe switch who you are playing with and play with a party that will be more open to party organization.

Content is doable up to a point with different raid compositions. But the content is definitely not tuned to having such groups.

I don't know what to tell you, but if you think melee and ranged DPS are on the same playing field, then you clearly haven't been experiencing the end game content. This same issue also applies to tanks.

Although the problems are compounded due to the skipping of a tier of loot, there are real balance issues in this game and that's what threads like these are about. Classes need fine tuning, as do game mechanics to ensure as fair of a playing field across the board.

Also, cut the internet tough guy crap and keep to the subject at hand.

[savant07]

I don't see the reason to be butt hurt , up until coil two, we've had this setup

2 whm *scholar would work*
2 Brd
1 Pld
1 War
1 Drg
1 Mnk

it works fine, that's actually pretty much every class except for black mage , smn , and scholar, which smn sucks, scholar is viable, and you have to have blm for turn 4.. soooo... yeah..

Why do people claim summoner sucks. Are they not the highest DPS class? (At least latest parsing tool says so, I think they fixed the DoT bugs)

[Firon]

Why do people claim summoner sucks. Are they not the highest DPS class? (At least latest parsing tool says so, I think they fixed the DoT bugs)

The problem with the dots on parsers is that when a smn cast bio it gives them full dmg for the dot even if the smn cast over that spell with a new dot. I did titan the other day some dude says the smn did 200k dmg before heart..... I highly doubt that was true lol. Btw BG has cleared most of coil with mnk so it can be done with melee brd is just easy mode.


In 1.0 no one wanted to do the moogle king fight w.o brd then after a while ppl did it with anything.

[Thotor]

All of Summoner's abilities benefit from Foe Requiem.

We made a quick test on dummy and it did not work.

[savant07]

The problem with the dots on parsers is that when a smn cast bio it gives them full dmg for the dot even if the smn cast over that spell with a new dot. I did titan the other day some dude says the smn did 200k dmg before heart..... I highly doubt that was true lol. Btw BG has cleared most of coil with mnk so it can be done with melee brd is just easy mode.


In 1.0 no one wanted to do the moogle king fight w.o brd then after a while ppl did it with anything.

Didn't they fix that issue already? Including the issue with SMN DoTs doing more than expected damage? I figured it was accurate already with summoners doing 250-300 DPS consistently...

[RathSkybreaker]

Smn is alright if you are good at the job, but you need the good gear and good style