Gear level, the final nail in the games coffin.

[Scardon]

For every person that makes this statement. There are 10 great players that clear content the aforementioned person has never seen with lesser gear and greater skill. Tell that to all the guilds across every MMO for the past 13 years that have cleared the hardest content at the start of every expansion without farming the new gear.

In my time, I've known far more players with amazing skill that do things that gearscore elitists say they cannot than I have known gearscore elitists that had even a modicum of skill...

But they got gear on the way there. They didn't farm it but I KNOW they didn't dismiss upgrades until they cleared the xpac THEN started equipping new stuff.

Its very simple. Gear determines potential, skill determines the exploitation of that potential. They BOTH matter. anyone who thinks either one is not needed or extremely low in their importance is ignorant.

[CrstyCaptin]

Had a bard in titan tonight. Died very early in the fight then got hit by landslide a minute after raise. We got titan to the heart and failed due to dps. Upon examining him afterwards I saw he was in full AF gear, ifrit bow, and lv 27-30 jewelry. I straight up told him he needed to gear up for this in dark light and that he was holding the whole group back. He said he accidentally qued for titan instead of garuda(still couldn't do garuda in that gear). I told him he should leave the instance and save everyone else the lockout. He said fair enough and left. This is why there needs to be a gear requirement.

[texhnolyze]

The problem, my friend, is that most of the MMO-mentality today includes playing for two weeks and being in full engame gear so you can go around showing off your cool armour to everyone. When this isn't possible, it will be considered a grind.
It would be fun to see these people back in the old MMO days where stuff was actually hard to obtain.

i'll just have to quote this one

[TasOgie]

Had a bard in titan tonight. Died very early in the fight then got hit by landslide a minute after raise. We got titan to the heart and failed due to dps. Upon examining him afterwards I saw he was in full AF gear, ifrit bow, and lv 27-30 jewelry. I straight up told him he needed to gear up for this in dark light and that he was holding the whole group back. He said he accidentally qued for titan instead of garuda(still couldn't do garuda in that gear). I told him he should leave the instance and save everyone else the lockout. He said fair enough and left. This is why there needs to be a gear requirement.

And who exactly are you to decree who is allowed to play a computer game an have fun ?. You nor exile nor anyone els int his game has any right whatsoever to decide if someone can play an enjoy what THEY PAID FOR.... get off your high horses an worry about your own game, not everyone els...

Such arrogance an entitlement are everything thats wrong in gaming. Not one single person in ARR has any rights to tell others to leave or tell them how to play, an you never will.

[SKYeXile]

And who exactly are you to decree who is allowed to play a computer game an have fun ?. You nor exile nor anyone els int his game has any right whatsoever to decide if someone can play an enjoy what THEY PAID FOR.... get off your high horses an worry about your own game, not everyone els...

Such arrogance an entitlement are everything thats wrong in gaming. Not one single person in ARR has any rights to tell others to leave or tell them how to play, an you never will.

Arrogant people like you forget that there's infact 7 other people attempting to have fun and killing a boss, that fun is severely diminished when you have to carry a dead weight through the content.

So yes, lets please introduce gearscore so people can play for fun. If you want to attempt to do the content under geared then find your own party of 4 or 8 and go do it without effecting the fun of others.

[CrstyCaptin]

stuff

Since SE is actually implementing gear checks I'd say I was on the right track. When you get up to 50 and start running instances that aren't just face rolling your keyboard to win and actually require some strategy to win you'll understand. Then when you get to titan and realize that you need the entire party to be geared up and execute commands exactly you'll really understand that people that show up under geared like this are grieving the community that's trying to progress through endgame.

[Jynxii]

Adding my +1 for gear scores (not that that counts for anything). Having players in AF and doing HM Ifrit is pretty managable (more so for some roles), but when you stroll into HM Garuda with partial AF, one or two DL pieces and a green or two from WP/AK something is a little off. I mean, if you want to skip level/gear checks, you can mindlessly run the hell out of CM and have a full DL set in about a week.

Also, the gear checks are there so people actually have a chance of succeeding, as opposed to constant wipes because DPS checks/thresholds aren't reached, or you don't have enough HP to survive an AoE that cannot be dodged (ie Titan). It doesn't flat out stop you from doing content, but it sure as hell stops you from stepping into something you are not ready for, and messing it up for half a dozen other people.

A lot of the stuff the gear checks would be hitting is end game, and if you aren't looking into guides to get informed, or finding out if you can actually pull it off in your current gear, then yes, you need an inbuilt system to tell you whether you can or can not.

[Scardon]

And who exactly are you to decree who is allowed to play a computer game an have fun ?. You nor exile nor anyone els int his game has any right whatsoever to decide if someone can play an enjoy what THEY PAID FOR.... get off your high horses an worry about your own game, not everyone els...

Such arrogance an entitlement are everything thats wrong in gaming. Not one single person in ARR has any rights to tell others to leave or tell them how to play, an you never will.

Playing how ever you want all by yourself is perfectly fine. Playing how ever you want with other people when it could include something they don't like is AT BEST inconsiderate and more accurately is selfish, sadistic, and extremely detrimental to the community. You are interacting with other people, you don't get to do what ever you want without repercussions, sorry.

[Inuakurei]

When you get to a boss like Titan HM you need to have enough DPS to kill the heart before he kills you(just like baby mode).
People with a trash weapon, full AF and trash rings will not be able to output the damage required to do this no matter how skilled there is a limit to what numbers you can push out.

Titan has some unavoidable AoE damage that you simply have to heal through If you get a scrub in full AF with a white weapon and level 30 rings/neck etc they will be sitting on 2500 odd HP when the rest of the group in near/full Darklight has 3500 odd no matter how skilled you are if you do not have enough base health to survive during tumult then you are a cancer on your group. You will die every single time and there is nothing you "skill" can do it is a simple case of numbers. A tank in full AF with a white weapon and crap low level rings will get gibbed by table flip, under geared healers won't be able to keep up with Tumult or healing up after the transition my own heals hit for a few hundred more and i have about 1000 more MP now in Darklight then i had in AF+49 rings.

A skilled player will be the one in a full set of gear for the encounter because a skilled player is not selfish/lazy/stupid enough to wander into a hard mode fight in leveling gear(which is what AF gear is) a skilled player will not get carried through garuda in trash gear because a skilled player understands the game well enough to know he has to gear up in earlier dungeons first.matter how skilled there is a limit to what numbers you can push out.

There is nothing elitist about wanting people to be at the minimum level of gear required by the encounter the fight is impossible if half the groups in full AF with trash weapons.

- this, qtf

[ispano]

And who exactly are you to decree who is allowed to play a computer game an have fun ?. You nor exile nor anyone els int his game has any right whatsoever to decide if someone can play an enjoy what THEY PAID FOR.... get off your high horses an worry about your own game, not everyone els...

Such arrogance an entitlement are everything thats wrong in gaming. Not one single person in ARR has any rights to tell others to leave or tell them how to play, an you never will.

As others have said, playing by yourself or with a group of like minded friends? Then your mentality fits. Playing with others, especially Duty Finder? Then you are the one in the wrong. You want to play your way, regardless of how it affects the 7 others in the group. You play in a group, everyone has to make compromises to make it all work. You're the type that breaks groups up due to being rigid and inflexible.