Please buff Succor.

[Draemos]

No. Faerie is equivalent to regen, except it's got a long ass cd because it's aoe instead. It has no upfront healing.

Ugh..

Embrace = regen (100 vs 50 potency per second)
Whispering dawn = Medica 2 (700 potency, 60s cd, no MP, no threat VS 700 potency, no cooldown, massive threat, 450ish MP)

Medica 2 is obviously better for lots of throughput, but it's also the only healing spell that's better than the SCH equivalent. There also aren't a whole lot of fights(very few actually) you cast more than a single Medica II per minute, although they are certainly ramping up at endgame. But those are all 8 mans and your likely to have a WHM partner anyway.

[peaches]

Yes, to an extent. Regen ticks every 3 seconds, where as if you leave your fairy alone, she won't heal until 70-80% health. You have to manually spam it to get the full effect out of it. And Whispering Dawn COULD almost count as Medica 2, IF you could tell your fairy not to use any ability except Embrace. Half the time when I run into a battle and stand just behind the tank, she won't be anywhere near me. She will be at the entrance where she was standing when combat initiated, casting Whispering Dawn with nobody around. With Medica you don't have to worry about any of that - its around you. Maybe like I said if you could turn off auto cast for Whispering Dawn and cast it yourself when you properly place her, OR even better, if casting it made the AoE around you instead of her.

[Draemos]

Snip.

There are a couple threads where people explain how to get around exactly what your complaining about. I recall reading some on reddit as well. One of the modes will basically make it so she actively uses only embrace and nothing else(and you can manually use her other abilities), but I don't recall the name. Granted it shouldn't be such a pain in the ass nor so unintuitive.

[Crescent_Dusk]

Ugh..

Embrace = regen (100 vs 50 potency per second)
Whispering dawn = Medica 2 (700 potency, 60s cd, no MP, no threat VS 700 potency, no cooldown, massive threat, 450ish MP)

Medica 2 is obviously better for lots of throughput, but it's also the only healing spell that's better than the SCH equivalent. There also aren't a whole lot of fights(very few actually) you cast more than a single Medica II per minute, although they are certainly ramping up at endgame. But those are all 8 mans and your likely to have a WHM partner anyway.

No, Embrace is what you use to match freecure procs throughout the fight and the whm's ability to spike abilities. If your tank falls below a threshold and you need to spike him up before he gets gibbed, for example with a Triumvirate in a single tank hydra fight, the whm will be able to top it off much more effectively with a Cure II spike (which Adloquium really doesn't match and is much more less mp efficient).

Whispering Down is a 60 sec cd, with NO UPFRONT HEALING. NO UPFRONT HEALING.

If a group gets cleaved in garuda or a group of people get hit by titan's aoe, a aoe lesser regen over a longer period of time will never be as powerful as frontloaded hp restoration with a HoT component.
It's also why blm's are taken over summoners in many groups, because the ability to frontload in encounters where spike mechanism matter will turn out for the better even if you have greater potency spells spread over a much larger period of time.

And in Titan HM if you don't have a whm healer you're going to be in a world of hurt, going forward with coil. Not having a scholar is much less of a hit than not having a whm, because so far in most encounters what sets healers behind is aoe damage, and whm's patch that up the best. Tank-healing is hardly an issue in most encounters, it's forcing healers to use globals on group damage that can sink an encounter, and whm's have the best tools for that. More importantly, a whm can slap regen on a group of people and they don't have to worry about being in range of the fairy . The whm's output doesn't die a miserable death when lethal debuffs applied by a boss also target the pet and happen to 2-shot the pet (I'm looking at you, hydra ball of fire debuff when you're curing a tank after a Triumvirate and can't issue reposition commands while casting). Repositioning the pet only helps so much.

[Vhayne]

Rouse > Fey Illumination > Succor > Whispering Dawn.
Now if only the damn pet would stop blowing it's cooldowns or allow me to make a macro of the above, I'd be a happy camper

[HarleenQuinzel]

I would be happier with a way to retain/gain aetherflow stacks easier during heavy healing situations. I find that if I have aetherflow stacks at the ready I can dish out some decent multi target healing output by just using adloquium/physick on other targets while maintaining the tank with Lustrate. I think I would also like to see more mechanics with sacred soil. Perhaps stuff like this:

-If allies affected by succor are under the influence of Sacred soil double the heal.
-If the target of your lustrate is under the influence Sacred soil spread 25% of the heal to all nearby allies.
-If the target of your Energy drain is within your sacred soil the mana and health gained is spread to nearby allies.

[Draemos]

No, Embrace is what you use to match freecure procs throughout the fight and the whm's ability to spike abilities.

Freecure procs are not healing throughput and I can't magically make them appear when I need to deal with spike damage, they're random and they last 15 seconds. They're purely an efficiency mechanic. Compare spells based on throughput and Regen and Embrace are almost the exact same, difference is embrace is free and Regen can be rolled on multiple targets.

Whispering Down is a 60 sec cd, with NO UPFRONT HEALING. NO UPFRONT HEALING.

Irrelevant. You can cast a Whispering Dawn and a Succor at the same time if you need upfront healing. The throughput is the same for Whispering Dawn and Medica II. If you have an issue with Whispering Dawn being free-cast by your pet, then you need to petition about pet control being improved, not trying to compare Medica II and Succor.

[BrodyAlgana]

I think FF needs this: White Mage, Paladin, Monk, Black Mage. That's it. Only four classes and maybe people would stop complaining about the differences between the classes. 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 melee dps, one range dps. Scholar has some advantages over white mage, white mage has some over scholar... I wonder ... do they work well together.. hmmmm. If you don't like your class, or think it has problems, then just switch weapons. This isn't like SWTOR or WOW you don't have to start the game all over. Otherwise you are just complaining because you want your class to be unstoppable.

What they really need to add is White Mage stoneskin that can absorb all damage, magical and physical for 30 minutes. Anyone with Stoneskin doesn't take damage. /eyeroll

[Crescent_Dusk]

Freecure procs are not healing throughput and I can't magically make them appear when I need to deal with spike damage, they're random and they last 15 seconds. They're purely an efficiency mechanic. Compare spells based on throughput and Regen and Embrace are almost the exact same, difference is embrace is free and Regen can be rolled on multiple targets.



Irrelevant. You can cast a Whispering Dawn and a Succor at the same time if you need upfront healing. The throughput is the same for Whispering Dawn and Medica II. If you have an issue with Whispering Dawn being free-cast by your pet, then you need to petition about pet control being improved, not trying to compare Medica II and Succor.

The instance in which you need to aoe heal happens a lot more than every 60 seconds; stop being naive. Do Titan HM with just scholars and see how well the Tumults are handled.

A 15 duration proc that happens fairly often at the rate you use cure I can easily be used to absorb spike damage. It's just like a BLM holding on to Firestarter procs when he expects a burst phase.

[fanservice]

I think FF needs this: White Mage, Paladin, Monk, Black Mage. That's it. Only four classes and maybe people would stop complaining about the differences between the classes. 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 melee dps, one range dps. Scholar has some advantages over white mage, white mage has some over scholar... I wonder ... do they work well together.. hmmmm. If you don't like your class, or think it has problems, then just switch weapons. This isn't like SWTOR or WOW you don't have to start the game all over. Otherwise you are just complaining because you want your class to be unstoppable.

What they really need to add is White Mage stoneskin that can absorb all damage, magical and physical for 30 minutes. Anyone with Stoneskin doesn't take damage. /eyeroll

This was the single most meaningless response in this thread. You should be proud.

Oh, wait, no you shouldn't.