Gear level, the final nail in the games coffin.

[Rewyen]

FFXI was my favorite MMORPG, and yes, I know this isn't XI, and everyone here hates XI, but I'd liked how in XI, in those end-game raids and the like, people didn't complain about your gear. They just had fun doign it, win or lose. I'd like to at least get XI's awesome community back.

I don't know what server you were on, but unless I was doing something with my LS and our partner LS, a lot of us had this happen to us everyday. In fact, the only thing that really saved FFXI from the elitist atmosphere was Abyssea because at that point, all the uber gear became worthless and by the time you reached 99, pretty much everyone was wearing the same outfit (because getting it was not hard, just time consuming). Prior to that, however, I remember being kicked from a Qufim party because I still had on my rank gear (level 10 conquest point exchange), and I was the damn healer in a grind party. And this wasn't something recent, this was before ToAU. Nowadays, you can get away with doing a book burn with no subjob wearing RSE until you max out. I loved FFXI, but I met more jackasses there then I have here. At least in FFXIV, you can pretty much do everything alone and when you are forced into an instance with a group, going with people you know makes it more fun. I have yet to meet a stranger who checks my gear and asks me to leave and maybe that's because when using duty finder, you're just grateful you got a group in under an hour and don't feel like waiting again.

[KogaDrake]

The thing to remember is that there is a difference between what ilv gear is needed to complete the dung, and the ilv gear that many players thing is needed. Both supper elitest and bad players will put the number significantly higher than it should be (one because they want to face roll stuff they done many times, and the others because they couldnt do it with ilv X so needs to be higher)

I would not expect crazy high ilv requirements, and actually expect the elite to be unhappy with the number and still refuse to use the DF, but atleast they get server LFG boards for that hopefully

[Returnee]

Wouldn't the most fair solution be to let people access any dungeon, but have the Duty Finder match them with the players closest to their own item level? I don't see how anyone could complain about that.

[Chek]

While I agree some people take stuff too far and get too elitist (asking for way higher than is necessary to down the content), its a good thing overall.

This game is unique in that its entirely possible to level up every job with one character, and not everyone is going to gear up while leveling new classes.

Hopping into the Duty Finder with nothing but white gear 20-30 levels below what you should have is absurdly destructive for everyone else involved, and there's no way to votekick those people so there is literally no recourse other than leaving and getting punished with a timer yourself, or carrying that person and rewarding their awfulness.

I'd like to see FATE exp nerfed a little and battle leve and dungeon exp increased so people have more incentive to not just follow around a zerg of hundreds of players that they don't have to try and not be in starter gear all the way to level cap instead of a gearscore requirement, but this is the world we live in.

[Miburo]

This is the is the mindset I am talking about. players dont seem to understand that there is more to an MMO than just silly shiny farming for "loots brah".... it really is sad that this ideal has taken hold so much in todays generation of gamers. You dont "need" shinys at the best level to be able to play a computer game well. This idea is just something the gearscore fanatics push out because they are the incorrect assumption that you must have it at all costs.
I highly recommend people do not be forced into the endless grind for shinys an doin the same instances over an over an over an over an over an over an over an over.... endlessly as these guys do every day.

Being considerate to other people in your party doesn't make you a "loot brah" or whatever. If you go into a fight under geared then you're not respecting the other players in your party, plain and simple. You don't care about their time. You don't care about the extra burden you're placing on them. Etc. Your damage, the amount of damage you can take and survive, your healing potency, etc. are determined by stats. Stats come from gear. If you have better stats you perform better, period. You'll do better in AK wearing ilvl 50 gear than you would wearing ilvl 38 gear. Because...maths. If you could get better gear without too much trouble and choose not to then you're being inconsiderate. It's not a hard concept to grasp, and there is nothing sad about it except for maybe the fact that so many people don't seem to care about inconveniencing the other people they're playing with.

[ChickensEvil]

Come on guys, we all know that Gear = Skill. It's just simple math. Duh!

[Miburo]

Come on guys, we all know that Gear = Skill. It's just simple math. Duh!

Did ANYONE say that in this thread? Anything even close to that?

Can you do HM titan with everyone wearing weathered weapons and level one RSE? And if you can (You can't) then can you do it more easily fully geared for the fight? Gear matters. The better your gear the better you'll preform, since your personal skill is a constant. So yeah, it is simple math. Duh.

[Meimei]

Hello,

We understand that some of you have some concerns regarding the item level restrictions for content; however, the development team is aware that there are players who are trying to challenge high level content without the proper amount of attack and defense, and would like to ensure that everyone participating in the content is on the same level.

Just to reiterate, this adjustment will be made in patch 2.1, and your average item level will be displayed in your character window. To coincide with this, we will also be adding a display for the required item level in the Duty Finder.

To people who are confused; this is a good thing. The method of progression becomes more clear and people should no longer have to suffer the cruel judgement of others for not meeting their requirements, and are thusly booted. In accordance with this, of course, organized groups will also no longer need to suffer undergeared people. Win/win.

[Raxion]

It also sets apart the bad players from the good ones. At least in a small way.

Every time I run Amdapor Keep or Wanderer's Palace and get DPS or Healers that are well below the gear-level and skill-level that they need to be, I just wanna cry. Those runs are usually doomed to failure. I'd much rather have a gear-ladder for lowbies to climb before they start getting placed in groups with me.

Given, a baddie in good gear is still a baddie, they're still better than a baddie in bad gear. With content scaling in difficulty, you should expect to need better-geared players to beat it. I just can't understand why people are so offended that gear isn't just for aesthetics.

[Alhanelem]

as I've said before, its not too big a deal as long as the limit isn't set too high. You don't need anything special to beat titan, so the gear level for that can be 45 or 50 (or maybe slightly less because most people's accessories will bring down the level average), then 55 for garuda, then 60 for titan (e.g. all gear > level of AF)