I can see where the speed-run folks are coming from, and what they are trying to accomplish (time vs reward). Having said that, the hate in these dungeons is almost always coming form this camp as well, because everyone isn't playing on their level, or with the same goals in mind. Sometimes we forget that this is a video game, and others still tend to take it to a level that would otherwise have been considered inappropriate. But with the way the DF works, it's pug city, and you get what you get. People who want to take it easy and enjoy the game need to be ready for the speed run elites, and the uber hardcore folks need to be ready to deal with a player who wants to enjoy their game. We are all paying for it, and it shouldn't be dictated by someone else how YOU will play YOUR game that YOU are paying for.

My $0.02 ^___^