Gear level, the final nail in the games coffin.

[Kayo]

To me this is less of a gearscore and more of a limitation on using DF to get into the harder dungeons. Like the ones restricting players from queuing up for some dungeons in WoW. Thats fine to me IMO.

However, giving that ability to players is retarded. When/if they implement addons they sure as shit better not allow this gearscore to be used. In fact, keep it personal so we can check how much we need to qualify. If this shit ever gets to the point where these ADD mouth breathing retards start filtering out people that meet the DF gear requirment because they want OP'd players for ez-mode 5 minute runs, im out. I dont have any tolerance for this shit anymore.

On another note, I laugh every time I see or hear a casual complain about an elitist. How many of you watch or have watched vids on fights or guides to an aspect of a game? What type of player do you think sits down and comes up with that stuff?

Get your gear up and the gear score will be a non factor.

Right ... because the laws of physics wouldnt allow someone to record an encounter while commenting on the strategy unless theyre a gear snob who excludes those who arent way past the required gear score for an ezmode fight.

[Dartanis]

This is a good thing in the sense that it should reduce the amount of wipes full pug groups have due to players being lazy and not wanting have the appropriate gear for an end game dungeon. On another note, I laugh every time I see or hear a casual complain about an elitist. How many of you watch or have watched vids on fights or guides to an aspect of a game? What type of player do you think sits down and comes up with that stuff?

Get your gear up and the gear score will be a non factor.

[Amyas]

There is a good reason why ilvl 55 gear drops in Wanderers Palace.

Except that, for instance, the 'ilevel 55' vermillion haubergeon tank armor that drops from palace is identical in every way stat wise to the warrior AF body piece... >.>

[Amyas]

The problem is it is the pug elitists that should have to find a FC to suit their style, not the other way around. If you are so l33t YOU should be in a FC that is also l33t and everyone wear's God given gear and doesn't make mistakes. Don't bring your crap into pugs. If you pug you should accept whatever you get.

Uhh read what I wrote again. I was agreeing with the OP that gear score ain't that great a thing. Especially since you have ilevel 55 tank armor that is identical to stats on AF armor. I didn't say I was 'leet' I was making fun of those elitists that call themselves so, and scream that other people have to have x gearscore for y content.

how can that piece of junk stronger than primal wep ? and primal ilvl 70 is decent atm, the mog wep is equal with the garuda one, and DL is not even the best, it is ilvl70 while the other one is ilvl80 or 90 dont remember it well

That's what I'm saying, the DL armor is ilvl 70, yet the weapons of the same name are pretty much trash. I mean come on, the DL bill has the exact same item model as Sibold's Reach with just a few stats that are one over on it. (Which makes sense lore wise since Sibold was once a DL raider, but still) Irks me considering I've been idolizing DL since 1.x

[TooSlick]

Squeenix imposing a minimum gear level requirement to enter an instance using DF is not elitist or inappropriate. Gearscores become elitist when put into the players hands. As I have not gotten high enough in FFXIV to experience end game, I'll make my point using WoW as an example:

When Blizzard released the LFR system, they quickly imposed average item level requirements before you could use the LFR system on a per instance basis. Not broken, ensured that players who were unprepared would have to get to a minimum level before allowed entry.

However, players forming PUGs often would use gearscores to decide to allow someone to join or not. Many times the gearscore that they require is significantly higher than the level of the gear that drops from the instance they were forming for. Meaning that you had to already be beyond that content before you were allowed to come. THAT is where gearscore become problematic.

[Furious]

Welp. Now, we'll see shouts "LF X class, with gear level x"

So they should. Stop trying to do content you aren't geared for.

Now people will be even more elitist. Christ. I saw this in another game before and it's just god awful. Elitism is already in the game, and then they make stuff to support it?

It isn't elitist to expect people to have gear appropriate for the content they are doing. It's reasonable. There will be people who are unreasonable and ask for ilvl higher than required; they are elitist and you don't want to group with them anyway.

It's such a shitty thing to do to a game. "You've got all LV50 gear, really good stuff, some of the best, but your GL is 65, and we only want people with GL70, so go away."

If the content is designed around having ilvl 70 gear, then it is you who is doing the wrong thing by dragging others down doing it in 65 ilvl.

Making Dungeons GL dependent as well. They're TRYING to kill all the fun with this game. Everytime I start to think it could be saved, Yoshi P dashes in and says "no, it can't! I'll cave to fan demand and add stuff that the VOCAL MINORITY wants!"

The vocal minority implies that the majority wants the opposite, which isn't the case. The nonvocal majority couldn't give two shits. There are two vocal minorities; the people that are worried they aren't good enough to get into content, and the people that want a way to check they aren't getting taken for a ride when they invite someone to a group. As long as there is no ilvl check on fully preformed groups, this is a great feature. I don't want to queue into a group that has just hit 50 and not done what they SHOULD have done to gear up for the content they are doing, and be expected to carry them. It happens far too often at the moment.

FFXI was my favorite MMORPG, and yes, I know this isn't XI, and everyone here hates XI, but I'd liked how in XI, in those end-game raids and the like, people didn't complain about your gear. They just had fun doign it, win or lose. I'd like to at least get XI's awesome community back.

Changes like this prevent a good community from forming.

Gear checks happened all the time in FFXI; maybe you just didn't play at a level that demanded it.

[Hawklaser]

However, players forming PUGs often would use gearscores to decide to allow someone to join or not. Many times the gearscore that they require is significantly higher than the level of the gear that drops from the instance they were forming for. Meaning that you had to already be beyond that content before you were allowed to come. THAT is where gearscore become problematic.

This here is the main reason I dislike gearscoress in general, because as soon as there is a way to easily quantify a players gear quality this tends to follow. And it is often made worse by a general unwillingness to help those who are behind get up to speed. Which can become a really big problem once expansions start coming, as either get a perpetual gear ladder that resets each time, or an ever growing gap between the very top and average players.

It isn't elitist to expect people to have gear appropriate for the content they are doing. It's reasonable. There will be people who are unreasonable and ask for ilvl higher than required; they are elitist and you don't want to group with them anyway.

Agreed, though it doesn't take long for the higher ilvl to become the norm, which I don't like.

If the content is designed around having ilvl 70 gear, then it is you who is doing the wrong thing by dragging others down doing it in 65 ilvl.

So long as the same content is not where the ilvl 70 gear comes from, perfectly fine with this.

The vocal minority implies that the majority wants the opposite, which isn't the case. The nonvocal majority couldn't give two shits. There are two vocal minorities; the people that are worried they aren't good enough to get into content, and the people that want a way to check they aren't getting taken for a ride when they invite someone to a group. As long as there is no ilvl check on fully preformed groups, this is a great feature. I don't want to queue into a group that has just hit 50 and not done what they SHOULD have done to gear up for the content they are doing, and be expected to carry them. It happens far too often at the moment.

Which is the intended purpose of an ilvl system, too bad it usually doesn't take long for it to start being used as an exclusionary tool by player bases above and beyond this. If there was a way to do this, and keep it entirely hidden from the players, might be able to avoid the exclusionary extreme.

Gear checks happened all the time in FFXI; maybe you just didn't play at a level that demanded it.

Oh, there were plenty of them even outside of the end game. The CoP expansion on release had tons of them. Same with a few quests and missions if you didn't out level them and make them trivial.

[complexxL9]

OP go away.

[Jinko]

And here I was thinking that gearscore limits will help prevent the more baffling elitist BS…

“What do you mean you don’t already have gear from the dungeon we’re about to run? You can’t run this dungeon with gear from this dungeon!!! #@%$ing noobs!”

Explain how that works when players have no control of who the duty finder picks.

The way this will work is gear score will lock out an instance/dungeon if your gear score is not up to snuff, just like it does if you are level 45 and trying to enter a lvl 50 dungeon. (it really is no different)

Except that, for instance, the 'ilevel 55' vermillion haubergeon tank armor that drops from palace is identical in every way stat wise to the warrior AF body piece... >.>

Yea I did notice this and it was puzzling, is the only one I have seen like that, maybe its incorrect ?

[DiceMan]

If people want to be elitist who cares? They can spend as much time in the game as they want and want to play with other's who devote all their time to the game too. I mean if someone spends all day every day of the week playing the game why wouldn't they want to play with others like them? Then ask for others who are geared to the max like them? etc. If your worried you wont be able to do end game get with a good LS I'm sure there are plenty of friendly players who will help people. If you cant find one and are struggling with end game focus more on finding a friendly LS.