FFXIV / Tera battle mechanics

[Reika]

Don't forget the grind in FFXI... it was actually way worse than XIV, and took YEARS to finally change. But they are still making adjustments to both guildleves and field monsters, as well as introducing dungeons and raids later on. The best thing anyone can do if they actually like playing FFXIV is to make proper suggestions on how SP can be improved in areas other than Guildleves. Just quitting doesn't help anyone but the quitter. The game is in a state of constant change. And lets not forget, there is still no monthly fee.

[Betelgeuzah]

You people talk like having less grind is a good thing.

Or maybe I am just misunderstanding.

[Reika]

I think everyone want wants a decent amount of grind. Not so much that it takes a year to get one class to 50, but not so little that it takes one week.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

I don't care much of exp grindind. What i find disturbing of korean games is the insane amount of grind to get even the worst shit of equip.
something like "earn 100m of pvp point for a t1 gear".

[Nikita]

I don't care much of exp grindind. What i find disturbing of korean games is the insane amount of grind to get even the worst shit of equip.
something like "earn 100m of pvp point for a t1 gear".

Oh umm kind of like Relic/Mythic weapons from FFXI? Or how about unaltered dynamis where you saw 0-2 pieces of gear per run while competing against 7 other people for the item? Or how about FFXI NMs with low drop rates on top of 4-24 hour respawns on top of competition? :P I don't think that is something limited to Korean games. The point is, many MMOs have disgusting grinds including the ones made by our beloved SE. At least in Korean grinds you know you are actually making progress.

And as far as the combat system being gimmicky, it isn't a gimmick, as has been said. The entire combat system as a whole revolves around this. Even group quests require you to kill normal roaming monsters that are *gasp* challenging. There are plenty of mechanics to work with. And I hate to break it to you, but if a game like TERA will run out of interesting combat mechanics, so will FFXIV. So far nearly everything seems to be common sense tank and spank.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Oh umm kind of like Relic/Mythic weapons from FFXI? Or how about unaltered dynamis where you saw 0-2 pieces of gear per run while competing against 7 other people for the item? Or how about FFXI NMs with low drop rates on top of 4-24 hour respawns on top of competition?

relic/mythic can virtually be purchased buying the entire amount of coins, provided enough money, isn't like grind honor point or whatsover.
Same for the rest, low NM drop isn't tecnically the same. Also, i hated camping nm

[Nikita]

relic/mythic can virtually be purchased buying the entire amount of coins, provided enough money, isn't like grind honor point or whatsover.
Same for the rest, low NM drop isn't tecnically the same. Also, i hated camping nm

Wow you could buy Mythic weapons with coins!? I thought you needed a Vigil weapon, had to complete floor 1-100 of Nyzul, had to defeat all the Beastkings of Aht Urgan, had to defeat all 4 chariots, had to complete Einherjar, killing Odan, buy an eyepatch that costs 100,000 (alot of "grinding"), buy another item for 150,000 Nyzul Isle Tokens (alot of grinding), complete EVERY assault mission, gather 30,000 alexandrite ( alot of grinding, which no, along with all the currency I've mentioned, cant be bought), and finally defeating Zahak and Balran.

Mythic Weapons basically required you to complete every ounce of content that was included with Treasures of Aht Urgan and every update to it that followed, and not a single piece of it could you simply cop out of with gil. I can't really believed I just spent my time typing all that but it was to make a point. Also, ^_^ you can't just say the idea of "grinding" can be used in one context and not another as you see fit. It can be used in many areas because its basically all the same thing weather you want to see it that way or not.

Weather or not TERA is or isn't a grind isn't relevant anyway since the topic of this thread was on the battle system, and nothing else. Though I did want to point out that someone called TERA a Korean grind game and I thought it was funny because FFXI was known for the exact same thing, and here they are playing the next MMO in the series.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

The bigger part in mithyc are still the coin. All the rest is easly obtainable if you did regularly that events the time they were introduced, and had a hnm linkshell.
if you snobbed it, then you're screwed.
And in what part of universe alexandrite can't be buyed ?

W/e, you have to agree korean games are generally a step over other games on farming. they just like it.

[shots]

The grind is boring but from 30 it takes a mere 3 1/2 weeks to get to 50 maybe a month with some time off. I am just talking about doing a set of particular leves that give you the best SP possible. So idk about you guys but the grind isn't that bad. Do we need alternate means of grinding? hell yeah we do, but it will come with time. In the passed two months this team has done more with this game than the original team has had with 4 months er so? As long as things are moving forward and I am not paying, I can't complain about much.

[solracht]

You people talk like having less grind is a good thing.

Or maybe I am just misunderstanding.

People want the grind to be hidden. If the gameplay in your game feels grindy and mindless, then it's failing, and people will ask for less grinding. Objectives and quests usually help, but if they're too generic and repetitive, it'll just feel like you're grinding quests instead of enemies.

In the end everything can be considered a grind... the difference is whether it feels that way or not: whether your players are tricked into believing they're not grinding.