YOSHI FIX THE DANG GIL ISSUE THAT IS KILLING OUR PLAYERS!!!

[maxxp]

that is NOT how 'economy' works.

blackmarket takes money out of the game. gil you pay as a commission is NO LONGER available for ANYone. this is not exactly comparable to an ebay fee which is paying the people 'behind' ebay.

tax isn't money taken 'out' of real life economy, either, as it's used for building stuff, paying workers (or state servants), who in turn buy stuff for that money

'economy' does NOT take money out unless there's a serious inflation or you have something like a new currency appearing. for example when several countries with completely different economic value decide on a common currency. that happened roughly 10 years ago... I know that's a long time in internet but still.

please don't talk about how economy works when you obviously have no clue.

They also don't add currency to the real world economy every time someone new is born either.

[Syfin]

They also don't add currency to the real world economy every time someone new is born either.

I think you are missing the point. Money disappears in this game. Period. This does not happen in real life, unless you like lighting money on fire? Anyone who is disagreeing that there is an evident deflation crisis on the horizon, in this game, is just showing how uneducated they are. Stop it.

[Iskander]

There is thousands of players doing fates non stop. Fates every minute with 50-200+ ppl completing them, fates hardly last more then 90 secs. I did over 30 fates and 3 dungeons without repairing once. Thats 3000+ gil in after repairs ~1800 gil in positive.

I didnt even include the guild seals you get had over 5k of seals saved from those 30 fates. You can even trade them in for !!GASP!! dark matter!! Not exactly best use of the seals imo but its an option if your cash strapped.

Players are constantly doing these fates id estimate 2-3 fates being completed every 3-4 minutes in a single zone, multiply that by the multiple zones available...

End game dungeon grinders are the minority so replenish your gil off the majority. If wearing your +99 legendary set of awesomness is costing you 10k every 5 seconds switch to something cheaper? So many people zerg fates you dont need good gear to do them anyways... there is an option where you can save gear sets try using it...

Nobody read the main thread, and you have ignorant fools such as Quesse and Shadow. Time to educate the children.

There are hundreds of thousands of players in ARR...
For every 50-200 people that earn roughly 200 gil (sometimes its lower, sometimes its higher. Using it as a variable), that's roughly 10,000-40,000 gil per fate entered into the economy.

Now, at that time, there is probably 50-200 people at lvl 50 that are repairing their gear at an npc. Assuming that they are not in full DL gear with broken gear (which would be near 5-8k), but instead average 50 gear with a bill of 2k (common variable at 50), that's an economic gil loss of about 100,000-400,000. You would need 10 fates maxed at 200 people (stated previously) earning 200 gil roughly to equalize this. By the time that's done, there are probably people getting out of 50 trials/dungeons that now need to repair.

As Shadow stated previously, he did 30 fates and 3 dungeons without repairing. Joining a FATE grinding team and having others do the main work while one cashes in is a decent individual strategy. He may escape the brunt of the repair bill that way, but what he is forgetting that there are those in those massive fate groups who are losing durability and do need to repair. After those 30 fates, that could easily be millions of gil lost in that time that needs to be countered.

Let's also note that dear Shadow is NOT LEVEL 50. He hasn't gotten started the 50 trek to broke-ness where he has no alagan pieces, where that 3000 gil he made in 30 fates and 3 dungeons will not cover higher level gear. According to http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2823971/ (his lodestone profile), he is wearing relatively useless gear. At 50, where the AF gear is, the AK dungeon gear is, and the DL gear is, those 30 fates and 3 dungeons will probably only be enough to repair half his lvl 50 gear. Not to mention the gil drain he'll have if he wants to pursue his relic (easily 100-200k).

Also noting that he doesn't have any crafting/gathering classes unlocked and leveled, so he can't "repair his own gear". He could level those classes, but that requires a decent gil investment, not to mention all those seals he's been earning would most likely be solely dedicated to dark matter to repair his gear.

Now as for Quesse, she's on a legacy server and a legacy character, that already potentially puts her on a completely different table. For the sake of argument, I will assume that she didn't have any large sum of legacy gil port over to add on top of her 200k from alagan pieces to add some validity that she could potentially be anywhere close to in the same boat as new players who start off with zip in order to comprehend the issue.

She stated that one could repair their own equipment to solve the issue. For new players, leveling a DoH to max requires a decent gil investment. One does not simply just become a level 50 crafter. Assuming one is able to afford to do so, then comes actually acquiring the Grade 5 dark matter. G5DM costs 350gil a pop. That's 4200gil needed for a fully geared player at lvl 50.

So how does one get 4200gil? As the one you defended said, he did 30 fates and 3 dungeons, and came out with around 3000 gil. Well now, even if he had a leveled crafter, that wouldn't pay for getting his gear repaired. He said he repaired after all that, giving him a profit of 1800gil. And that's with relatively cheap, non-endgame gear. At lvl 50, you could easily look at a 6k repair bill. Well, that's double what Shadow made in all that time before having to repair. He would need to do that sequence about 3 times, coming to 100 fates and 10 dungeons just to break even with the gil sink.

Let's put it in perspective. At level 50, hundreds of thousands of gil can pour in in minutes. However, during those minutes where thousands of players are earning hundreds of gil, thousands of players are needing to pay thousands of gil in repairs. This equates to a large millions of gil lost forever.

[Syfin]

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Im going to pretend you have the numbers in front of you to justify saying dungeon runners are in the minority. If thats the case, how does that help the dungeoner that finds enjoyment from fighting and not playing the boards amd crafting? He has to not only grind fates to level but for money too? That hardly sounds like an enjoyable solution.

And how does this relate to the future when the majority are running dungeons? Because lets face it, dungeons are the end game.

[maxxp]

I think you are missing the point. Money disappears in this game. Period. This does not happen in real life, unless you like lighting money on fire? Anyone who is disagreeing that there is an evident deflation crisis on the horizon, in this game, is just showing how uneducated they are. Stop it.

Because reductive reasoning, hyperbole and personal insults scream educated. Keep on fighting that good fight, I'm going to go back to enjoying the game.

[AsakuraVN]

Would it make you feel better if the NPCs of the world built bigger and better buildings for you to see then? The money is taken to a place where you cannot use it. You no longer have access to it, just like real life. There are no fees going to NPCs because the NPCs are static. If SE brings in a large amount of gil or ways to quickly amass gil then gil becomes worthless. You see things on the AH for millions of gil, which happened pretty quick in XI from what I remember. You can't compare a game economy to real life economy. Please don't talk about how economies work when you obviously have no clue.

You see, in real life, you give your money away, that money doesn't just disappear, it goes to another ppl hand so they can spend it, for example, they buy products from your company, then that money goes to your boss, then your boss pay YOU, it goes around in a circle!

It's a little different in MMOs, depend on which subscription model game has, but it based on the same rules too, if there are money sinks, there must be money fountains, you would understand if you play enough MMO & actually care about how they work. This is an example of how money goes around in GW2: http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/m...GW2Economy.jpg, feel free to educate yourself

[cenie]

I make enough gil, what are you doing?

[Aldyiss]

When I hit 50, I had what felt like a ton of money, now not so much. Repairs eat up massive amounts of gil as the gear level goes up. Leveling a crafting job, playing the auction house, doing fates naked or leveling a new char to 50 and transferring money are not GOOD options cause they either don't bring in new gil, they are just silly (naked fates) or stupidly tedious (leveling new char every time you need gil).

What would make sense to me is to add level 50 leves for money, and add treasure coffers that drop silver/gold medals. Not saying you should become millionaire by doing a few leves, but perhaps something like 1500-3000 gil per leve (with luck and good time bonus) would cover the repair expanses for raiding/dungeon crawling. In a long run those few people with millions (who sold some silly people their overpriced relic quest weapons) wont be happy having to loan their friends/FC money just to wipe in bahamut cause people can't afford to repair their relics.

[Sadique]

and to level crafting without spending money you either need a lot of friends with the other professions, or you need to level all of them at the same time. While leveling all of them, gathering all the mats yourself, how do you sppose to repair your gear that will break rather often while doing this? the entire time you are leveling these you will be draining gil through repairs. and dark matter is only worth using if you are at 0 otherwise you pay 4200 to repair gear that a merchant would charge 3k for.

[HealBus]

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Thank you so much for saving me the time to write this. Economics should be compulsory in education.