History repeats itself: Time for the Great Archer Nerf of 2011

[Xzen]

thing is, if they actually get the same dmg, something is a bit off, PUG has victimize as his actual job skill, and blindside as well, this either means dmg isnt reduced for weapon skills, or raging strike makes up the difference. Also he didnt show pug 50 we can assume pug might catch to the dmg but we dont know that.

Other thing is, Pug doesnt have multishot or trifurcate, these skills dont require tp to use, and allow you to take better advantage of stacking buffs,
trifurcate and multishot btw, are even better than just thier damage, because since TP gained is effected by dmg done, the ability to get a lot of dmg in conjunction with 3 attacks at once, means you get 3x the tp, and can weaponskill with that tp.

now other jobs get other useful skills, maybe it balances out, but it doesnt really come down to getting equal weapon skill dmg with victimize, in fact the WS is not really the key, its really multishot trifurcate and multi hit weaponskills like quick knock make excellent use of the buffs. Its honestly a pretty cool game mechanic and playstyle difference for archer, but perhaps it needs some balancing. Im in favor of buffs versus nerfs, so possibly adding some more DD related class specific stuff that makes each DD play differently and get similar or more dmg to archers would be a good plan, If the nymbers back him up

Due to the amount of time and stamina consumed by multi shot it is only good as an opener. Trifuricate is also an even trade off due to the amount of stamina it uses. You end up waiting the same amount of time it would take to shoot 3 normal attacks if you use it mid fight. The best you can do is a 1, 2 combo with multi shot > Trifuricate and then it's all bloodletter from there.

[Shampooo]

i think you need to Post your Parse results

[Shampooo]

Let's say I know that archers die in the middle of NM fights, run back from crystal, play weak, and still come out 5% ahead of the meleers. How I know that could be pen in paper, or it could be a parser.

Either way, yes. I know that an archer beats the other meleers by 5-7% party contribution at NMs in a full team. Meleers almost always hang around 17-19% of damage. Our nukers are at about 20-22% Archers 23-27%.

Didnt you state a bunch that archers are invincible? =p

[Peregrine]

Due to the amount of time and stamina consumed by multi shot it is only good as an opener. Trifuricate is also an even trade off due to the amount of stamina it uses. You end up waiting the same amount of time it would take to shoot 3 normal attacks if you use it mid fight. The best you can do is a 1, 2 combo with multi shot > Trifuricate and then it's all bloodletter from there.

What's the stamina cost of multi shot? Using multishot gives you two free attack bonuses. Of course it's going to take more stamina. You're spoiled. Do NOT tell me that multishot is too much stamina simply becaues it's the stamina of 3 shots. It had BETTER be the stamina of 5 shots, or you are done here.

The problem with your arguments is that you're a biased archer who has something to hide.

[Peregrine]

Didnt you state a bunch that archers are invincible? =p

You all repeat the same fail arguments every 40 posts. The archer dies because it's whipping all the other DDs. Know what fixes that? More archers.

You can't win this argument, though it's amusing that so many of you all actually think you can win when your fathers already lost.

[Physic]

Due to the amount of time and stamina consumed by multi shot it is only good as an opener. Trifuricate is also an even trade off due to the amount of stamina it uses. You end up waiting the same amount of time it would take to shoot 3 normal attacks if you use it mid fight. The best you can do is a 1, 2 combo with multi shot > Trifuricate and then it's all bloodletter from there.

If trifurcate makes you wait the same time, then it is better than doing 3 attacks, because you can fully buff those 3 attacks, so those same 3 attacks do more damage, and reward more tp.
Multishot is probably a losing proposition, but regardless, if at the end of the day they do consistently more damage for less risk in 90% of the situations, then they will replace most of the other DD.

It doesnt really have to be a direct nerf, if they change the way parties work, like more multiple grouped parties, and bosses that have henchmen and etc for most of the games content, then rangers damage will come at the price of survivabilty and the usefulness of off tanking power. But if the game is like FFXI where most of the mobs have no ranged attacks, tanks can completely and totally hold hate, and your mostly fighting 1 mob at a time, then you do have to balance DD according to those conditions.

[Xzen]

What's the stamina cost of multi shot? Using multishot gives you two free attack bonuses. Of course it's going to take more stamina. You're spoiled. Do NOT tell me that multishot is too much stamina simply becaues it's the stamina of 3 shots. It had BETTER be the stamina of 5 shots, or you are done here.

The problem with your arguments is that you're a biased archer who has something to hide.

So if you need the same amount of stamina and time to shoot 3 arrows then it doesn't really help out that much aside from as an opening. Spamming multi shot doesn't get you anything so I don't know why you brought it up? >.>

[Physic]

So if you need the same amount of stamina and time to shoot 3 arrows then it doesn't really help out that much aside from as an opening. Spamming multi shot doesn't get you anything so I don;t know why you brought it up? >.>

like i said if its the same, then you get more out of it by using buff skills, 3x the buff and improved tp returns.

[Peregrine]

So if you need the same amount of stamina and time to shoot 3 arrows then it doesn't really help out that much aside from as an opening. Spamming multi shot doesn't get you anything so I don;t know why you brought it up? >.>

Lol you're the one playing archer poorly if multishot is actually just the stamina cost of 3 shots combined. Fail. What a load of crap. You'd never see that kind of spoiled enhancement on any other job, but the chronically self-entitled ranged attackers. Marauder can't even get a minute's increased critical attack without losing something stupid like TP gain down.

But there you are, getting two free buffs and complaining that you're paying the same stamina you otherwise would.

Is that how spoiled archers have become? Because I didn't even know it was THAT bad.

[Huy]

do you know what I feel like when i read this thread, it like playing catch the ball with my dog