History repeats itself: Time for the Great Archer Nerf of 2011

[Aion]

we are talking about nerfing archer, not nerfing THM, which worth in another thread. so to make your argument relevant, you must proving ARC is overpowered. what you just showing is THM overpower, not archer. so its irrevelant.

[Joe_Cool]

You just don't comprehend anything relevant to the discussion, do you?

Seven archers and a thaumaturge obviates the need for any archer to tank anything, even if they could. In fact, it completely negates any archer's argument that they are a "glass cannon". Pathetic argument, irrelevant to the discussion. That thaumaturge can solo the great buffalo. You aren't a glass cannon. You're a cannon.

That's why you and six other archers will carry around a token thaumaturge.

You're trying to add a THM to ARC to make it more powerful. Any DD can carry a token THM and get things done.

ARC may be the best DD thats currently in the game but they deserve to be. And there's not this HUGE distance in DPS between ARC and the other DD's.

[Peregrine]

I'm just the only guy on the forum willing and cognizant enough to stop four years of archers and their posturing, just like rangers did, before it starts. That we already have 19 pages of over-entitled archers kinda just says I made this post a month and a half too late.


Look at em. Making the same statements rangers did, for the same reasons.
They earned the right to be powerful.
We can't take hits so we deserve the power.
Archer's not imbalanced, it's the "most balanced."
You're just jealous.

No, I don't like games that fail so hard that bard, ninja, black mage, red mage, and ranger are really the only jobs in the game while everyone else is a second class citizen.

Your busted class caused problems in XI. Those mistakes are being made all over again. Tanaka was the only thing standing between 2002 rangers and their ranger-get and now he's gone.

The next 4 years of this game are going to go the same way as XI. Over-entitled archers and thaumaturges running endgame and any difficult content, demanding content to be more difficult than blended "gimp" setups can handle.

Again, this game's already losing diversity faster than a CoP static.

And some players like it that way because it makes them feel special.

[Aion]

You're trying to add a THM to ARC to make it more powerful. Any DD can carry a token THM and get things done.

ARC may be the best DD thats currently in the game but they deserve to be. And there's not this HUGE distance in DPS between ARC and the other DD's.

This. so the argument is not proving ARC should be nerfed, but THM IS.

[Aion]

I'm just the only guy on the forum willing and cognizant enough to stop four years of archers and their posturing, just like rangers did, before it starts. That we already have 19 pages of over-entitled archers kinda just says I made this post a month and a half too late.

just make the video, like the THM. then it worth of discussion of nerfing or not.

[Peregrine]

You're trying to add a THM to ARC to make it more powerful. Any DD can carry a token THM and get things done.

ARC may be the best DD thats currently in the game but they deserve to be. And there's not this HUGE distance in DPS between ARC and the other DD's.

That's exactly what you'll do. You're just extremely pissed that someone sees exactly what you're trying to do, and unlike you they're not impressed with your grand schemes to rule the endgame.

A. Kite it!
B. Token tank! Not that one, the one that can heal itself and punishing barb!
C. Ranger ranger ranger ranger ranger ranger ranger ranger ranger ranger ranger! UHranger ranger ranger ranger ranger ranger.

GET THAT PUGILIST OUT OF HERE. Waste of a Victimize ability!

[Peregrine]

just make the video, like the THM. then it worth of discussion of nerfing or not.

Your tanking ability is not an issue. You're the one who fails when you argue that you're not a tank, so you should have OP damage. Not me. YOU show me a buffalo fight where you're tanking. You're the one saying you're a glass cannon. And yet one would think I'd be the one laughing at you for not showing me where you're paying that price.

I'm sorry, I see thaumaturges and gladiators negating your argument that your weakling status gives you permission to over-damage. Even if you are right that you're a wet noodle.

Which you're not, but doesn't even matter.

You arguing you're a glass cannon (that never gets hit and thus never pays any of that price) is a fail as the archers in this topic saying they EARNED the right to outdamage everyone because they paid good gil (oxymoron) for it.

No, you pay good gil to stay out of AoE range. When you're talking about R50's fighting a R75 mob, everyone is "glass."

Again, you all are so unbelievably predictable as archer fans. You actually think we haven't learned why your arguments don't work, after what...almost a decade of arguing this very thing.

You all have nothing to argue. The second archers outdamage meleers is the second they require nerfs because it is UNFAIR to tether meleers inside AoE range. The more powerful the mob, the more archers KNOW they will be called on.

They know it. And they would rather play their little busted tricks and game than to build balance into the other jobs. **** the other guys, all eyes on rangers. So say the rangers.

What are the rangers saying in FFXI now...lol nothing. pwned.

The more you posture, the more satisfying it's going to be seeing an entirely new generation of ranged attackers get their asses handed to them by the devs.

[RoninYabusame]

First, of all battle classes, NONE is as vulnerable as archer. Secondly, you do realize the guy who wrote the initial post that set you off on your blind jealous rage isn't an archer, right? Or a thaumaturge. He's a Gladiator who would get hit by any attack, ranged or otherwise, because that's his job. He doesn't have some crazy agenda, and he's not a part of any conspiracy. It really is just stupid that every mob in the game attacks from range.

[Timotheus]

Can't believe this eyesore is still going on, with OP using the invalid point with fallacy I pointed out again and again, and even some ppl praised OP defended well despite OP ignored all the critical question and still giving no source or proof.

Just a karma warning to you OP,
if you so adamant hoping a job, which the gaming population enjoyed, to be nerf with all of your failing logic and baseless standpoint, beware it comes back to you at tenfold.

You have been warned. It's coming.
People learned lesson from that, and unfortunately, the history would be repeated on you.

[Aion]

Your tanking ability is not an issue. You're the one who fails when you argue that you're not a tank, so you should have OP damage. Not me. YOU show me a buffalo fight where you're tanking. You're the one saying you're a glass cannon. And yet one would think I'd be the one laughing at you for not showing me where you're paying that price.

I'm sorry, I see thaumaturges and gladiators negating your argument that your weakling status gives you permission to over-damage. Even if you are right that you're a wet noodle.

Which you're not, but doesn't even matter.

Yes Archer SHOULD Overdamage other class, thats the NATURE of Archer, give me example of MMO that its archer not overdamaging melee class,will you?