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  1. #131
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    The entire material usage agreement is archaic and outdated. Part of the reason why WoW became a hit was that they welcomed the Machinima scene with open arms.

    I just don't understand the logic. Critics and die hard fans are the ones getting hurt by this.. And by proxy, potential future subscribers.
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  2. #132
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deakka View Post
    The entire material usage agreement is archaic and outdated. Part of the reason why WoW became a hit was that they welcomed the Machinima scene with open arms.

    I just don't understand the logic. Critics and die hard fans are the ones getting hurt by this.. And by proxy, potential future subscribers.
    There is no logic in it. People who defend it don't understand what's at stake. Word of mouth will not go full scale, and Square will be losing hundreds of thousands of potential customers in the future if this is not reversed in some way (assuming their hands aren't tied).

    I'm not a video creator, but they seem to be neglecting important things here. Nintendo and Sega did the same things, and now they're hurting for attention and money. If you upset people with a cult like following, bad things come from it; take a look at Xboxone for an example.

    I typically get my friends interested my showing them videos made by other people. Quality videos that may take days to make. People who deserve to get paid for what they do (so long as it's not a crappy let's play). I intend to keep my subscription to support them, but until they realize that player to player marketing is one of the most efficient forms out there, any western endeavors they attempt will be folly. They need to be a little more in touch with the world outside of Japan and adapt to new social media; their communication is improving overall with twitter and facebook, but as a whole they have a long way to go and still much left to learn if they want to learn how to swim in the future AAA market.

    It doesn't matter if some video content creators are seen as greedy. They do quality jobs and have millions of subscribers. Any content they make is publicity for any game (they quite literally sell their viewer base if you get right down to the core of it); the ads that get put on their channel don't care what video is posted. The simple matter is, if you love this game, you should try not to lead Square astray with this folly whether it's their earnest will at present or not.

    I am quite honestly trying to fathom some posts here. Is it white knighting anything that is negative feedback? Is it people who don't want more to come and clog up the servers (given that that comment has so many thumbs up, maybe). Are people worried about the community if the game is introduced to millions of additional people? If our personal interests are more important to us than the future of the game... then I'm kind've speechless.
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    Last edited by Thalvaus; 08-29-2013 at 02:33 PM.

  3. #133
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    luciferbelmont's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onnslaught View Post
    This needs more likes guys. This really hurts a lot of people out there who post youtube videos for guides and just general info. Terrible move from SE.
    Are you serious. You need to learn to respect the artists decision in how there material should be used. You are not the artist in this case. You have no saying in how you should use their material. Youtube wasn't around when the First FF and Final Fantasy VII came out they don't need your help then and they don't need your help now. So don't give me the "Omg but we helped since the beginning with our youtube video crap" because you weren't there since the beginning. There was no youtube at the time.

    Besides that you can still promote the game and post videos you just can't monetize it. Of course if you refuse to even do that then that saids a lot about you. All you care is about money, and you can't even call corporate greed on square enix because all that does is make you look like a hypocrite. All you care is about money, and it makes you look like (you guessed it) "corporate greed."

    Youtubers the new face of "Corporate Greed" who would of thought.

    In the end it's not your decision or my decision. Learn to respect the artist work and his wishes with it. Otherwise my advise for you would be to grow up and learn to do so, set an example show that you care about peoples work even if you can't monetize it, don't be greedy. You can't have everything in life and welcome to the real world.
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    Last edited by luciferbelmont; 08-29-2013 at 10:25 PM.

  4. #134
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    japanese dont even use youtube lmao
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  5. #135
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    I don't even make videos and I find this pathetic... youtube video makers actually HELP SELL YOUR PRODUCT, and they give entertainment to current players too.

    bad move, very old fashion and stupid.
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  6. #136
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    The majority of people who watch channels like totalbiscuit & yogscast watch them for the people running the channel and not the actual games. They could live action roleplay and people would watch it, they don't need your video game "content".
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  7. #137
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    Quote Originally Posted by luciferbelmont View Post
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    Yes I am serious. I don't make money off of anything on youtube nor do I have a youtube account so this really doesn't effect me. I still think it is stupid for them to put this kind of restriction on people. Who cares if people make money off of videos that feature their game? It is promotion of their game. It was ridiculous enough you couldn't stream open beta now they have this rule out there.

    I just love how you lump me into a greedy youtube crowd when I have no personal gain in people being able to make money off of a youtube video with FF ARR in it.
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  8. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by luciferbelmont View Post
    Are you serious *Snip*
    Look at it from a marketing stand point. If big youtube personalities who create quality videos that take days to edit and are watched by thousands to millions of people aren't making videos about your game then you are losing lots of potential money. Creating quality videos that are enjoyable to watch all the way through is very hard and time consuming, getting paid based on how well you edit and how many people view it is a reward and a driving force to create more content, hence why youtube pays people in the first place.

    Blaming this on corporate greed is a bit far fetched, it's more like you worked a 10+ hour day to entertain people and then at the end no one paid you. I don't think anyone who has a following is that passionate about this game as to work tirelessly to edit and distribute videos talking about it without some kind of reward for their efforts.
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  9. #139
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    Why should they allow a random youtube attention seeker to make money on their product?

    if you really dont care just upload your dumb videos without adds, i block them anyway.
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  10. #140
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    I'm not upset that other people aren't going to be able to make money off of SE's work. We'll still see plenty of videos for FFXIV, just not people whose sole drive is personal profit.
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