Let's keep Character Crossovers from other Square-Enix titles out of FFXIV.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Cool. I can have Thancred all to myself then.

Hands off my boy toys, Vil.

[Kinseykinz]

Lightning and Snow were just supposed to be fun...and an ad for Lightning Returns. I understand that while the event is happening in game, the costumes will be all over, and that even afterwards, you might occasionally see a Snow Roegadyn or Lightning Lalafell hanging out with a Reindeer Miqo'te. But seriously, it's just for fun. The event won't be in the game forever, and just like the holiday events, you can avoid them/choose not to participate or play if it bugs you...

Example:
Every summer of FFXI/FFXIV I have played with the volume off during their summer events, because I hate the event music. But the event passes, life moves on. And while it affects my enjoyment of the game a little, it brings joy to other gamers. I can ignore it for a few weeks/take a couple weeks off to catch up on some console games and everyone is happy. My personal preferences and likes aren't more important than theirs. And the event is a fun break for many people.

The same is true of the Snow/Lightning event. It doesn't have to fit...it's just for fun. It doesn't have to please everyone. (I don't even know if I'll do it). But Lightning won't be in game forever (unlike many of the 'staple' npcs/characters people are using to prove their points in this disscusion), and once she's gone and the event is past, the gear will loose it's popularity once the next thing is out. (New Primal, Dungeon, Seasonal Event etc.).

So if you don't like it, don't participate....if it really really bothers you, don't play during the event. Come back when it's over. It'll be okay. A lalafell running around with a vanity bow and gear isn't going to break your gameplay...or even your immersion. (The gear isn't THAT different from what is already in game)

[Sylkis]

Remember when Bard was announced as the job for Archer?

I thought: "How will they ever make that fit in (lore)...Archers and Bards aren't related at all!"
They did it anyway. Bowharps and all.

Then everyone got over it and just played the game.

[Neasa]

Remember when Bard was announced as the job for Archer?

I thought: "How will they ever make that fit in (lore)...Archers and Bards aren't related at all!"
They did it anyway. Bowharps and all.

Then everyone got over it and just played the game.

And that was permanent. :x This Lightning thing is going to be temporary and short lived.

[Fatestorm]

But seriously, it's just for fun. The event won't be in the game forever, and just like the holiday events, you can avoid them/choose not to participate or play if it bugs you...

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So if you don't like it, don't participate....if it really really bothers you, don't play during the event. Come back when it's over. It'll be okay. A lalafell running around with a vanity bow and gear isn't going to break your gameplay...or even your immersion. (The gear isn't THAT different from what is already in game)

The event won't be in the game forever... but the story and lore will. I don't care about an ad hoc promotional event/item; I care about other Final Fantasy characters becoming a part of this world's plot and lore. I can choose not to participate in the event... but I can't choose not to participate in the story. The story is why I love and play this game in the first place.

Remember when Bard was announced as the job for Archer?

I thought: "How will they ever make that fit in (lore)...Archers and Bards aren't related at all!"
They did it anyway. Bowharps and all.

Then everyone got over it and just played the game.

There's a difference between game mechanics and plot/story, my friend. Maybe I can get over it; but I'd rather not have to in the first place. Thus the thread.

[Kinseykinz]

The event won't be in the game forever... but the story and lore will. I don't care about an ad hoc promotional event/item; I care about other Final Fantasy characters becoming a part of this world's plot and lore. I can choose not to participate in the event... but I can't choose not to participate in the story. The story is why I love and play this game in the first place.

It really isn't a part of the story...you're equating it to something like the storyline involving Ifrit, when it's just not like that. It has nothing to do with the main story, city quests, jobs or class quests, company or anything of the sort.

It is far more equal to a 'fetch and get' quest any random NPC in Uldah might ask of you. So just like skipping a couple of the random quests townfolk give you wouldn't affect your understanding of the main stories in the game, nor will this little event change anything. And other peoples participation in it, will not affect you negatively in any way. Again, even the gear looks similar enough to items already in the game.

It's just not nearly as big a problem as you're making it...it's not like they said 'Lightning will be replacing Shiva, Please look forward to it.'

It's no different than Egg Hats, or Pumpkin heads, or Santa Suits....or even, /snowball. It'll swamp the servers for the first couple days of the event, and by the time the event ends, very few people will even talk about it/wear the items anymore.


Also, 3 years down the road, no one will talk about it, or remember it. The only time it might even come up will be when someone walks through town in a piece of the gear/weapon equipped...and even then all it will be is 'it's from a promotional event from a couple years ago...you can't get it now' That's it. That's not the mark of something that will have a lasting effect on the game lore or storyline.

[Mortechai]

OP, you're entire argument is made null and void by the fact that Yoshi explicitly states that there are going to be Lore reasons for her to be there. And even then I highly HIGHLY(read: HIGHLY) doubt that shes going to be a copy-paste dirtectly from the universe of FFXIII straight into Eorzea. It would be bad if they did this, I agree. But for them to take her name, and features, and apply it to an archetype that works within Eorzea is something COMPLETELY different. This is the tack I believe they are going to take with this. All these worries that direct copies of Sephiroth and Cloud and what-not are going to be galavanting around Eorzea are silly and totally groundless in my opinion. FF is a series of character archetypes and it's perfectly within their right not only as holders of the IP to work those archetypes in across the series, but as story tellers, to do so. Think about any number of previous titles. Cid is an excellent example. His name, and role are pretty much the same in every title he appears in. Male, name: Cid, role: engineer/technical adept. He pops up all over the place. In the same role. And yet, in each title, there are things about him that change slightly. Who's to say that Lightning won't become one of these recurring NAMES. Why cant her ARCHETYPE pop up in future installments of the series? Female, strawberry blonde hair, time traveler, warrior of Valhalla, gun-blade user. Bottom line, stop whining and worrying that SE is going to copy and paste iconic characters all willy-nilly. They are simply going to do what they've done for the past 25 years. Take an archetypical character and work it into the world of the next game along the line. They've done it successfully before(Fact), and I have faith that they'll do it again(Successfully).

[Vilhem]

Hands off my boy toys, Vil.

No! I shall duel you for them! To the arena!!!

[Sylkis]

There's a difference between game mechanics and plot/story, my friend. Maybe I can get over it; but I'd rather not have to in the first place. Thus the thread.

But I am talking about plot/story/lore.

Bards should only need to know about music,instruments and stories to sing about to become a bard. They shouldn't need to know how to use a bow to become one.

In XIV, bows are as important as harps/instruments. In the story, archers on the battlefield had to stop and sing for their comrades instead of shooting more arrows. (And that's how Bard was made; archers that were part time singers.)

What? Oh well.


Anyway, I doubt that Lightning will become a part of the main storyline or Eorzea's plot. In the interview they probably meant Lightning's storyline. I'm pretty sure they completed the main storyline long before they threw Lightning in.

Even though I personally don't like XIII stuff, what you ask for is impossible even if you had everyone on this forum on your side. You can only hope that they incorporate Lightning into XIV in a way that doesn't enrage you (which they will try to do so through an explanation later). So I will stop here.

[Fatestorm]

OP, you're entire argument is made null and void by the fact that Yoshi explicitly states that there are going to be Lore reasons for her to be there.

Um... what? The whole point of my complaint is that her being there with lore and story tie-ins is damaging to the lore and story. Did you read my post?

And even then I highly HIGHLY(read: HIGHLY) doubt that shes going to be a copy-paste dirtectly from the universe of FFXIII straight into Eorzea. It would be bad if they did this, I agree.

But... that's what they're doing? It's actually her? I really don't know what you mean by "archetypes"--not trying to be obtuse here, genuinely confused. Lightning isn't an 'archetype', she's a character, a leading lady of Final Fantasy XIII. That's who they're bringing into XIV. Not "a pink-haired gunblade user with a bad attitude" or something like that.