Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

Edit: The only current way I can see SE forcing people to wait for alliance raids is ... tada ... the same fix for MSQ roulette ! Yikes. Better double up that exp then.

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for like 2.5 -3 min waiting naa 3% increase is good XD XD

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

Not like people get much out of the ct raids at all anyways fightwise? What a good example, the most boring raid of them all.
Other raids do exist and you only get to experience something for the first time once.

People be like:
Has no time
Does alliance roulette, which can be the longest after msq
Gets something else than ct for once in a month
Surprised pikachu

If i dont have time, i run the 3 shortest roulettes, might be a me thing tho.

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Sorry boss, next time I'll ask permission to every single player in game before doing a CT Raid which it's almost 1 decade old.

Maybe ask to every sprout if we should only auto-attack bosses so they get the fully fight and all mechanics.

How we dare to loot for items too? A random sprout that got randomly in the roulettes should have more privileges than anyone else

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

I think the only solution is to add a system where cutscenes are unskippable unless the entire party auto or manually skips. Most people seem to only watch a cutscene once. Its sad we even have to have a discussion about just being a decent human being to others.

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I forget what game it is, maybe SWTOR since it has a lot of narratively driven party dungeons and stuff, but this wouldn't be a brand-new concept. Vote-skipping is a feature in plenty of games with multiplayer.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Sorry boss, next time I'll ask permission to every single player in game before doing a CT Raid which it's almost 1 decade old.

Maybe ask to every sprout if we should only auto-attack bosses so they get the fully fight and all mechanics.

How we dare to loot for items too? A random sprout that got randomly in the roulettes should have more privileges than anyone else

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What does that have to do with anything being said?

Are you just trying to be hostile or getting to me?

1 decade old doesnt mean that people aren't new to it, tho?
Chosing to do roulettes which you have no time for is not anybody elses problem but yours.

Are... are you doing okay? Are you trying to derail me into saying something you want me to say? What's your goal other than being awfully hostile and spiteful for no reason?

I mean i can ask and everything as much as i want, i just get "insulted" and get extremely hyperbolic and out of context things in return, so i dont think you actually have anything to say to the matter.
Not like anybody here can actually insult me, it's very interesting to me tho.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

IDK what the value of posting on an alt is. I've only had positive experiences with people that recognize me from the forums.

If it were really bad, you bet they'd probably get a nastygram from a GM a while later, though.

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I mean, I post on an alt. And the guy from the cringe thread is a perfect example as to why. He posted something controversial on his main, and his character got posted on twitter. He was being stalked in game, his FC was being harassed. All because he said something some people didn't like. And because I am accused of "wrong think" a lot, I'd rather not deal with it.

On top of that, one guy tracked me from the forums, to a hunt discord, to the game just to harass me.

Im super curious what take was so hot that it resulted in all that....geeze. No matter how strongly we might think something, sounds like some people need to take a step back and remember it really is just a game.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Im super curious what take was so hot that it resulted in all that....geeze. No matter how strongly we might think something, sounds like some people need to take a step back and remember it really is just a game.

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He said he doesn't like some of the styles female PCs use...

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Its sad we even have to have a discussion about just being a decent human being to others.

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I mean I turn on the news and then I remember why I don't watch the news :3
I expect nothing less in an mmo

damn this is dark ; __;

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Originally Posted by Fayt1203

for like 2.5 -3 min waiting naa 3% increase is good XD XD

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Yes ? 2.5 - 3m that I could have used standing in limso land staring at bun bois and manroe ? I optimize my free time as should we all.

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

Honestly its 1-2 extra minutes, so i really dont understand why its such a big deal to wait. If someone wants it over that quickly, says to me they dont enjoy the content. As i said my Personal opinion is that if you despise it that much, then dont que the content. You can twist what i put out of context if you want, but that doesnt make it the point i was making. The point is that 1-2 extra minutes doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

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There’s already a thread crapping on getting CT all the time. I think it’s pretty clear people don’t enjoy some of the content in this game. Before you say “don’t queue for it then”, the experience bonus of a roulette. As long as people are leveling, they may suck it up and do content they don’t necessarily enjoy.

Now something I’ll repeat from earlier in this thread but I’ll word it slightly different. I’ll wait if you ask nicely. Don’t demand of me. It’s rude and I’ll show you and your cutscene the same respect you gave me. Don’t demand for others. The person in cutscene may not care one way or the other. But this community likes to get offended for others. If no one says anything, or makes a demand of me, I’ll pull without thinking about it. More so when demanded. You get what you give

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I mean, you get compensation for a reason. Why get one if you don't... y'know... compromise? In-game people pretty much always wait, so this is a non-issue.

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That compensation is solely to fill the content. Nothing more. You think people would fill the now mandatory crystal tower raids if there was no incentive to do so? Take away the “compensation” and watch how long your queues become

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Now something I’ll repeat from earlier in this thread but I’ll word it slightly different. I’ll wait if you ask nicely. Don’t demand of me. It’s rude and I’ll show you and your cutscene the same respect you gave me.

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That's actually a pretty good stance on that. All you have to do is ask nicely and more tha- *Mentor Crown runs in and engages boss*
HOLD THAT THOUGHT, GOTTA KILL RQ!

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

But this community likes to get offended for others.

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It always does feel like the people who have meltdowns in shout over early-pulling were just like.. waiting, hoping they're given a reason to start a conflict. It's like those tanks in dungeons who try to bait people into pulling mobs on accident so that they can have a righteous meltdown. I know a few people like this personally through FCs and stuff, and they really are just constantly hoping for outrage so they can posture and make gestures to assert their "good person" status. Most of them, unsurprisingly, aren't actually good people when you dig beneath the surface.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

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Exactly. There’s usually one person just waiting to snap. Let all their hatred out. But need to justify it with “but they (the early puller) are the bad guy”. Worse yet is when other people jump in. As if the gates have been open and the light turned green. There are some downright angry and horrible people in this game just looking for any excuse to get a pass for such behaviour

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

Other raids do exist and you only get to experience something for the first time once.

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I can assure you sprouts will continue to live just fine, regardless if they missed Xande punching a tank in the face, 9S shooting a tank in the face and shooting some lasers, or Yiazmat tearing a tank's face off and dropping some puddles, all of which they will see multiple times throughout the fight, in content that was designed to be ran at least once weekly, because the cutscenes are generally only around a minute long at most.

To see people compare alliance raids to MSQ, which has cutscenes that are so long that it's possible to completely skip some if people do the fights without you, is patently ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Exactly. There’s usually one person just waiting to snap. Let all their hatred out. But need to justify it with “but they (the early puller) are the bad guy”. Worse yet is when other people jump in. As if the gates have been open and the light turned green. There are some downright angry and horrible people in this game just looking for any excuse to get a pass for such behaviour

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Yes weird coming from me who is all blabla wait blabla, i know.

But agreed, no need to be all hostile about it either.
Thats literally not helping at all.

There are people that do early pull despite being asked by the person themself and also, i think "i'm new" is supposed to signal that they dont know anything and means cutscene, but thats how I see it.
It's just... it DOES go both ways, always will, always has.

But being "hostile" on purpose (like some replies to me) will not help at all. Pretty sure they want to tickle something out of me that isn't even there.

In fact, i'm not even trying to be offended for others, i speak in general but I am in no way holier than thou.

My mind is just "waiting if new people are there is nice since you were (and will be) new sometime and its not their fault for starting later than you"

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

I can assure you sprouts will continue to live just fine, regardless if they missed Xande punching a tank in the face, 9S shooting a tank in the face and shooting some lasers, or Yiazmat tearing a tank's face off and dropping some puddles, all of which they will see multiple times throughout the fight, in content that was designed to be ran at least once weekly.

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And maybe get lasered, stoned (big doggo), getting some vuln up, getting hit by avoidable things because they just zoned in but that's neither here or there i guess.

Boss cutscenes have story to it, especially Ivalice especially for those who played Ivalice.
And Nier raids also give context to why the bass looks how it looks and is part of the story.
That's... the point. They have a story. It's not at all like msq THANK GOD but its a bit of context for the overall thing.
Watch them again for a refresher maybe? They have context to them...

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Now something I’ll repeat from earlier in this thread but I’ll word it slightly different. I’ll wait if you ask nicely. Don’t demand of me. It’s rude and I’ll show you and your cutscene the same respect you gave me. Don’t demand for others. The person in cutscene may not care one way or the other. But this community likes to get offended for others. If no one says anything, or makes a demand of me, I’ll pull without thinking about it. More so when demanded. You get what you give

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I don't entirely disagree with this stance, but to play devil's advocate and defend the sprouts, how many true sprouts do you generally see say ANYTHING in the chat? Most regular players barely say anything, so if a sprout was brand new to an instance and is being taken in by all the cool cutscenes and stuff, do you really think they would pipe up (bringing their UI in and distracting them from said scene) to say, "yo wait up." I don't think so, and I've definitely never seen it, so while it may sound like a logical thing to do, it might not be practical.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

The real problem with that idea is that other players just bully the person watching cutscenes into skipping so they can continue.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

I mean, in my two years of playing, I have never seen anyone bully someone into skipping a cutscene. The only bullying I have EVER seen in regards to someone pulling during cutscene is people bullying and attacking the person who did it.

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*Benny Hill Music*

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

Unfortunately, expecting players to behave like humans online is unrealistic.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

some answers here made me realize that it's just because people are jerks.[...]if you can't wait a few minutes you have some serious patience problems. [...]If you can't even wait that long,y ou shouldn't queue for alliance raids (which can take up to 1h) to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

I never had a problem waiting, good time to check for messages and stuff too. I also don't have a tickling timebomb attached to me that explodes if I pause a minute, but that mgith be just me.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

https://i.imgur.com/IGrr2JV.png

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Because they expect you to have manners and wait when you see a new player.

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Originally Posted by Fayt1203

there is also something out there called Common Courtesy but guess that is to much to ask for.
Don't get why everything has to fast fast fast its like people has a gun to their heads or something,

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Originally Posted by Beytran70

More and more WoW refugees and players from other MMOs where speed was the name of the game and they didn't wait for anyone, ever. Or salty veteran players with a hidden grudge against newcomers or that don't remember their own days as sprouts.

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Originally Posted by AbysmalDuck

People in here act like it is the end of the world. [People with OCD need full experience]. Because of your impatience, now they have to run a 30-45 minute raid again because you are too selfish to take your 2 minute bio break in your jar during the CS.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

i have seen toxic cases often enough in which people were complaining about cutscene watchers (of which a few definitely were new) [and early pulled]. Im glad that they failed hard and ragequited at some point.

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

Personally, if you really cant abide being in there that much, then dont que for the content.

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Originally Posted by Shiro--Tsubasa

This thread has made me wish they forced players to watch cutscenes like with Prae just so people's first-time experiences aren't ruined because of it. Clearly people just lack the courtesy to let other players enjoy their first time and something needs to be done about it.

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Originally Posted by AbysmalDuck

Then, as I'm pretty sure you told someone else in another thread, maybe this game isn't for you. Go play a solo game.

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Originally Posted by AbysmalDuck

You're right. You were quoting someone that said it, but my message to you remains.

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Originally Posted by AbysmalDuck

People like yourself are the reason I wish I wouldn't have came back to the game.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

If you're pulling as anyone but the tank I'm going to let you die if I'm your tank or healer regardless if someone is watching a cutscene or not.

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Originally Posted by LaughingBanana

Giving your fellow first-time players a courtesy of only probably what, 2 or 3 minutes? of waiting while they watch cutscene is just something that is so easy and painless to do, I just don't understand the selfishness of not even wanting to do that. It's mind-boggling. Is it really that hard/difficult to do?

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

I assure you were we in a 4 man, which is the scenario you mentioned, and I am the tank, and you pull as a dps, nobody is going to defend you, nobody is going to be mad at me for letting you die. I'm also sure nobody would oppose if I initiated a vote-kick which odds are I would. To suggest you, knowingly, doing something toxic, being responded to predictably, then painting the people you were toxic towards as the bad guys and suggesting they be banned (and I have seen you in other threads on this topic suggest cutscene watchers are breaking TOS for watching cutscenes after you pulled without warning or consent (and not even as the tank) because they were too busy watching a cutscene to help). This is the literal definition of being passive aggressive, I'd go further and argue this is just straight up anti-social behavior.

In an alliance raid? Sure you'll probably get away with it. You might not, though. But in dungeon? No, I assure you you will be running in alone and recieving no heals or taunting off, and odds are end up vote-kicked. It doesn't matter if you don't cause a wipe, you're displaying an extremely toxic attitude and utter lack of respect for other players which I have zero tolerance or patience for.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Do you have absolutely zero self-awareness, and lack even the most basic level of empathy and perspective. [...]If many of the takes in this thread are an indication of the current state of the community than by god SE has somehow managed to breed one of the most anti-social communities in the entire MMO-market.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

THAT is why Prae is now unskippable, because players were abusing others for wanting to see the cutscenes, puling early. Prae is unskippable owing to the mentality "they can watch it later"

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Dude you should give up talking to her.. she a awful person with a bad attitude when it comes to new players and she won't change.. she's also one of those people who happily admits to ilvl cheesing people into only getting crystal tower. She's only after rewards and items for herself an screw anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Why is not being an a-hole a debatable topic? Wait for the newbies. And if you don't want to make your own party with your own parameters. It's not rocket surgery. Heck it's not even brain science.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Its sad we even have to have a discussion about just being a decent human being to others.

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

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“Im new” to me only means “sorry if I screw up, die or don’t dps enough” not “I’d like to watch the cutscene AND experience the first mechanic or 2 that will repeat throughout the encounter”. But we interpret things in different ways.

I get the whole “it’s polite to wait” argument. But like anything else, there’s another perspective. Mine being, they are 1 person taking the time of potentially 23 others. Truly neither are wrong. You just happen to disagree with the perspective opposed to yours.

Honestly I’ve never watched a cutscene. Not 1. So yeah, I don’t have any appreciation for the story. But people play for different reasons. Sometimes those reasons clash.

What people need to understand, imo, no one player is more important than any other player. That includes the new player. I know it’s selfish, but as I said already, I play this game for myself. I’m the only player that matters in this game to me. I’ll meet people halfway though. I’ve never, not once, pulled when someone asked politely. I give respect when others give it. I’ll pass on loot if otherwise just turn in for seals if someone asks politely. Not just a “I need the gloves”.

What I will never give in to. Never bow to. Hostility. I will not ever be convinced my early pulling is wrong when berated with threats and insults. No where in any of that dialogue I am receiving will I be convinced theirs is the good argument

*Yoshida sees thread*
*6.1 drops*
*This scene cannot be skipped applied to raids*
*que theme*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

*Benny Hill Music*

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That's a lot of quotes.

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Originally Posted by Beytran70

That's a lot of quotes.

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OP mentioned about the only insults they see being thrown are one way and I just wanted to show that they were absolutely wrong. If fact, the insults have only gone the other way.

Edit: and funny enough, some of the nastiest comments were made by the OP.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

“Im new” to me only means “sorry if I screw up, die or don’t dps enough” not “I’d like to watch the cutscene AND experience the first mechanic or 2 that will repeat throughout the encounter”. But we interpret things in different ways.

I get the whole “it’s polite to wait” argument. But like anything else, there’s another perspective. Mine being, they are 1 person taking the time of potentially 23 others. Truly neither are wrong. You just happen to disagree with the perspective opposed to yours.

Honestly I’ve never watched a cutscene. Not 1. So yeah, I don’t have any appreciation for the story. But people play for different reasons. Sometimes those reasons clash.

What people need to understand, imo, no one player is more important than any other player. That includes the new player. I know it’s selfish, but as I said already, I play this game for myself. I’m the only player that matters in this game to me. I’ll meet people halfway though. I’ve never, not once, pulled when someone asked politely. I give respect when others give it. I’ll pass on loot if otherwise just turn in for seals if someone asks politely. Not just a “I need the gloves”.

What I will never give in to. Never bow to. Hostility. I will not ever be convinced my early pulling is wrong when berated with threats and insults. No where in any of that dialogue I am receiving will I be convinced theirs is the good argument

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May I ask how you 100% know that it only means that and nothing else?
I'm not trying to argue, i'm just... really curious how that means only that. I just want to know THAT part.

Like, of course it means THAT too, because new, you dont know the mechanics. Me looking at poor new people getting roasted by every mechanic is really funny too... sorry.

Problem is also that some people "can't" write.
Be it anxiety or PS5. I know, i know, JUST buy keyboard, just do this, just do that (basically telling others what to do while also condemning others that say what to do, which i find funny... not you tho)
Or whatever reasons, but PS5 seems the most reasonable to why people can't write.

Insulting early pullers goes way too far too, it's just.. i'm a bit miffed if people even say so by themself and others just like "haha but actually no"
Asts prepulling is just funny because it's like they forget it auto explodes. Sparkly bomb has been deployed.

At least you dont need to throw... whatever others did at me, since oh no, different opinion and i like actually discussing the different sides and ask questions.
May make me look like a Karen but i'm just chilling over here, actually interested in this so i write, otherwise i wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

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I don’t know thats what it means. As you don’t know they mean your interpretation of it. We both just assume. As i already stated, we interpret it in different ways.

To clarify about asking to watch cutscene and this goes for the devils advocate guy i believe touched on this; i have never, not once, pulled when someone asked politely. I do not know if the person who said anything is the new person or not. I have once seen someone say they are new and wanting to see the cutscene. Only one. But every time, literally every time there has been a new person, someone says “cutscene” or some variation of it. Someone always says something. It’s how its said that determines how i react. A single word, “cutscene”, i think, “yeah, and?”. “We have new people”, “ok, maybe they don’t care. Not like I’m stopping their cutscene”. “Wait for cutscenes please” is a simple response that holds me back. Doesn’t matter who said it. I’ll wait

Some people in this thread also need to remember, those who said about the icon above the viewers head. They are not in my alliance, I don’t see them. I’m not spinning my camera looking for them as they may not even be close enough to see.

People here speak of being polite. Say please. You’ll get a lot more of what youre calling for, from me anyways. I’m not your dog. I don’t take commands

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

I don’t know thats what it means. As you don’t know they mean your interpretation of it. We both just assume. As i already stated, we interpret it in different ways.

To clarify about asking to watch cutscene and this goes for the devils advocate guy i believe touched on this; i have never, not once, pulled when someone asked politely. I do not know if the person who said anything is the new person or not. I have once seen someone say they are new and wanting to see the cutscene. Only one. But every time, literally every time there has been a new person, someone says “cutscene” or some variation of it. Someone always says something. It’s how its said that determines how i react. A single word, “cutscene”, i think, “yeah, and?”. “We have new people”, “ok, maybe they don’t care. Not like I’m stopping their cutscene”. “Wait for cutscenes please” is a simple response that holds me back. Doesn’t matter who said it. I’ll wait

Some people in this thread also need to remember, those who said about the icon above the viewers head. They are not in my alliance, I don’t see them. I’m not spinning my camera looking for them as they may not even be close enough to see.

People here speak of being polite. Say please. You’ll get a lot more of what youre calling for, from me anyways. I’m not your dog. I don’t take commands

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I get the impression that some people in this thread are really looking for is slaves, not fellow players.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

I don’t know thats what it means. As you don’t know they mean your interpretation of it. We both just assume. As i already stated, we interpret it in different ways.

To clarify about asking to watch cutscene and this goes for the devils advocate guy i believe touched on this; i have never, not once, pulled when someone asked politely. I do not know if the person who said anything is the new person or not. I have once seen someone say they are new and wanting to see the cutscene. Only one. But every time, literally every time there has been a new person, someone says “cutscene” or some variation of it. Someone always says something. It’s how its said that determines how i react. A single word, “cutscene”, i think, “yeah, and?”. “We have new people”, “ok, maybe they don’t care. Not like I’m stopping their cutscene”. “Wait for cutscenes please” is a simple response that holds me back. Doesn’t matter who said it. I’ll wait

Some people in this thread also need to remember, those who said about the icon above the viewers head. They are not in my alliance, I don’t see them. I’m not spinning my camera looking for them as they may not even be close enough to see.

People here speak of being polite. Say please. You’ll get a lot more of what youre calling for, from me anyways. I’m not your dog. I don’t take commands

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Agreed we do, thats why i wanted to know!
It can mean many things, some people just parrot it anyways because they've seen many people do it as a general code to show you are new because people dont see it otherwise i guess.

The ring usually stays way longer with somebody in cutscenes, juuust saying!
And usually say "we have new people" similar things because people usually run too fast that i barely get to write much. Might have to rethink that, you are NOT wrong.

And i'm not accusing you, you made very clear that you'd like if people just ask better (depends on how much time they have, things in dungeons can be really fast and raids sometimes too, not disagreeing with you tho).
But others still wouldnt care and that DOES kind of suck if you can be as nice as can be and get told off.
And some just can't write in the few seconds they have time until everybody goes because controller typing sucks and they dont have mechanical keyboard for their console for... sort of obvious reason.

But again, i bring this up again... got called toxic raider because i told people to pay attention after 3 wipes in TGC the nice way. One can never know, some don't care at all.

We sort of agree in ways but agree to disagree. At least you dont go to... whatever some people wrote as response to me (amuses me a lot). Thanks for that lol

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I get the impression that some people in this thread are really looking for is slaves, not fellow players.

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Eh, it just depends, they just want a please rather than just a word or two. As long as they don't go "well you said "cutscenes please" which isnt polite enough for me so i don't care!!" theres no issue with wanting a please.
If you dont mean it like that, sorry for misunderstanding.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I get the impression that some people in this thread are really looking for is slaves, not fellow players.

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I disagree. I think a lot of people are more bored than anything and looking for drama to be entertained, or a cause to get behind to feel some sort of validation. Most here however, I hope we can agree, are not here to have a discussion

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

Agreed we do, thats why i wanted to know!
It can mean many things, some people just parrot it anyways because they've seen many people do it as a general code to show you are new because people dont see it otherwise i guess.

The ring usually stays way longer with somebody in cutscenes, juuust saying!
And usually say "we have new people" similar things because people usually run too fast that i barely get to write much. Might have to rethink that, you are NOT wrong.

And i'm not accusing you, you made very clear that you'd like if people just ask better (depends on how much time they have, things in dungeons can be really fast and raids sometimes too, not disagreeing with you tho).
But others still wouldnt care and that DOES kind of suck if you can be as nice as can be and get told off.
And some just can't write in the few seconds they have time until everybody goes because controller typing sucks and they dont have mechanical keyboard for their console for... sort of obvious reason.

But again, i bring this up again... got called toxic raider because i told people to pay attention after 3 wipes in TGC the nice way. One can never know, some don't care at all.

We sort of agree in ways but agree to disagree. At least you dont go to... whatever some people wrote as response to me (amuses me a lot). Thanks for that lol



Eh, it just depends, they just want a please rather than just a word or two. As long as they don't go "well you said "cutscenes please" which isnt polite enough for me so i don't care!!" theres no issue with wanting a please.
If you dont mean it like that, sorry for misunderstanding.

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Yea I think you misunderstood, I agree with the person I responded to. A few other people in this thread feel more like they want slaves instead of players when they come out guns blazing with demands that everyone pretends any and all cutscenes are unskippable.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Yea I think you misunderstood, I agree with the person I responded to. A few other people in this thread feel more like they want slaves instead of players when they come out guns blazing with demands that everyone pretends any and all cutscenes are unskippable.

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Ah, i hope i don't come across like that because that's not what i want either lol.

I mean i do sound sort of extreme sometimes so thats understandable, but a discussion does need two sides.
Some sound like they don't... give a shit about others because they dont even have time to actually play and want to do long content without time. Not like that but taken to the extreme. Especially funny are the cases where people go "you dont know their circumstances in whicht hey rush!" as if that doesnt go for the other side that doesn't write and demand them to buy extra stuff just to write.

And i may come across as "save all these new children oh no oh woe, poor babies".

So.. yeah i can see that.
I'm just curious and like to... "contend" stuff. Not in a hostile way, but a discussion that interests me with many people with sort of similar "just go" mentalities means a lot of different insight in different thoughts that i can question to why it is like it is. Overly curious one could call it. Definitely call it that.

But i legit dont understand the extremely overdone responses to me because they seem to just want me to react in the same overdone overdramatic way to be like "haha you're also just pretending to be nice" or something, hmm.

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

But again, i bring this up again... got called toxic raider because i told people to pay attention after 3 wipes in TGC the nice way. One can never know, some don't care at all.

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Oh i feel you on that one. Got kicked from a nier raid for simply saying “dodge plz” to a ninja who stood in every telegraphed marker on the floor. Was told i was being toxic and an elitist. It’s just how some people are when they feel they are in the spot light in a negative way or you are suggesting they may not be so great. 2 words, typed on a controller while healing and handling mechanics, got me kicked for being toxic

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Oh i feel you on that one. Got kicked from a nier raid for simply saying “dodge plz” to a ninja who stood in every telegraphed marker on the floor. Was told i was being toxic and an elitist. It’s just how some people are when they feel they are in the spot light in a negative way or you are suggesting they may not be so great. 2 words, typed on a controller while healing and handling mechanics, got me kicked for being toxic

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And the truth comes out. That one person by themselves didn't get you kicked, so there is either more to the story or enough people felt like "People here speak of being polite. Say please. You’ll get a lot more of what youre calling for, from me anyways. I’m not your dog. I don’t take commands".

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Originally Posted by AbysmalDuck

And the truth comes out. That one person by themselves didn't get you kicked, so there is either more to the story or enough people felt like "People here speak of being polite. Say please. You’ll get a lot more of what youre calling for, from me anyways. I’m not your dog. I don’t take commands".

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What truth came out that you are using in an attempt to instigate? That 1 person was with his friends. They made that clear. Oh well. I don’t see how you quoting me has any validation here. I said plz to them. They decided to kick. What you quoted is that i say a please to me goes a lot further than a demand. Just logging in to pick more fights today?

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Oh i feel you on that one. Got kicked from a nier raid for simply saying “dodge plz” to a ninja who stood in every telegraphed marker on the floor. Was told i was being toxic and an elitist. It’s just how some people are when they feel they are in the spot light in a negative way or you are suggesting they may not be so great. 2 words, typed on a controller while healing and handling mechanics, got me kicked for being toxic

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I wrote something similar in TfDF thread before. A rando WHM tried to vote me out after I called them out in party chat for cheesing ilv into getting LotA: ”Nice HP.”

Unlucky for that WHM, I was queueing in as a group of 6 with my friends and one of them mentioned about the vote in discord voice chat. There’s another random with us besides that WHM but naturally everybody’s fingers was pointing to that WHM. Our tank was petty upset about it & commenced a countervote after the initial vote failed though.

Maybe it's just me but I was always thankful if people went and pulled while I was watching a cutscene. I respect the fact that people have limited time, especially when they're working fulltime. I'm gonna end up doing that content another thousand times anyway.

SE has done nothing to elevate the issues of making people waste their time on MSQ cutscenes, especially when everyone present in a group had already seen the MSQ cutscenes. Hopefully the changes Yoshi-P promised to MSQ roulette after 6.1 will actually shed some fruits.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

What truth came out that you are using in an attempt to instigate? That 1 person was with his friends. They made that clear. Oh well. I don’t see how you quoting me has any validation here. I said plz to them. They decided to kick. What you quoted is that i say a please to me goes a lot further than a demand. Just logging in to pick more fights today?

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You said "plz" in shorthand and doesn't really garner respect, but only shows laziness and passive aggressiveness.

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Originally Posted by AbysmalDuck

You said "plz" in shorthand and doesn't really garner respect, but only shows laziness and passive aggressiveness.

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As I also said typing with a controller while handling mechanics as a healer. A healer keeping a ninja alive who refused to dodge. If you can not understand why a person typing with a controller had to take short cuts, then you are I believe, intentionally ignoring the difficulty of the situation simply for the sake of being aggressive on the forums. That does seem to be your bit

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Originally Posted by AbysmalDuck

You said "plz" in shorthand and doesn't really garner respect, but only shows laziness and passive aggressiveness.

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This is such an anal retentive, neurotic look at the world LMAO.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

As I also said typing with a controller while handling mechanics as a healer. A healer keeping a ninja alive who refused to dodge. If you can not understand why a person typing with a controller had to take short cuts, then you are I believe, intentionally ignoring the difficulty of the situation simply for the sake of being aggressive on the forums. That does seem to be your bit

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As I said in the other thread you stalked me to, if you want to die on that hill, then so be it. You are toxic and people have proven it by kicking you.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

This is such an anal retentive, neurotic look at the world LMAO.

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LOL. Wow, the stalking is real today.

Even with keyboard you usually write short and... sweet.

Also I legit had people coming to the defense and telling me i'm so extreme and almost kicking me over saying Freecure is not good to use because it wastes mp after 2 tries.
People CAN legit want to kick you over nothing because you were wondering why they used Cure over the whole of Paradigms Tower.

You'd think there can be "more" to sometimes. It can be, it depends on how defensive the person trying to make themself the poor victim acts and all.
But for me, i was called toxic for wanting people to pay attention after 3 wipes and explaining that you just need 3 people in the circles. People not going into circles got it nerfed.

And i said that cure isnt worth it over anything else and a waste as a fact and that whm did NOT like that.

Just check some replies to some people (and me) and look how they want to rile you up to answer like that back to you to escalate things.

Edit: I got it wrong, they were cure II-ing, saying that gives them Freecure, which i said is not what it does, they said i'm wrong and showed them, as fellow whm, getting freecure while cutscene people... that cure 1 is what is needed for cure 2. Actually showing them because they dont read the tooltip. That was the issue.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

This is such an anal retentive, neurotic look at the world LMAO.

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For real, this is getting embarrassing to read. I can feel the second-hand embarrassment from those passive aggression LMAO.