#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

multi hit stacks in both ex1 and ex2 that this early on required you to have to utilise your kit and plan them for EW. people were hoping it was forshadowing for better healing but what happened?

they became a joke as soon as crafted gear arrived. then the only other heal checks that were worth talking about were DSR and P10S (P3S if you werent an astro)

power creep always ruins early healing checks then they get reserved just for the hardest of content.

this is exactly the same as EW

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Haedalyn in AF gear was actually fantastic as a healer for the amount of damage she put out for an EX

But like you say then crafted gear arrived and I went from succor+illumination to barely having to even bother with a sacred soil and the whole fight fell apart

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

multi hit stacks in both ex1 and ex2 that this early on required you to have to utilise your kit and plan them for EW. people were hoping it was forshadowing for better healing but what happened?

they became a joke as soon as crafted gear arrived. then the only other heal checks that were worth talking about were DSR and P10S (P3S if you werent an astro)

power creep always ruins early healing checks then they get reserved just for the hardest of content.

this is exactly the same as EW

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You are severely over estimating what I'm saying. My opinion is "There are a little more soft healing checks in DTs casual content over EW."

I don't think they are hard, not at all. Healing in this game is easy, I just noted that they're happening more often which makes me slightly hopeful that pulsing damage becomes more common in casual content (Though I'm doubtful). It's not much harder than EW at all it's gone from just using my oGCD heal and sacred soil to using that and my fairy AOE regen. But to casual healers I could see the final trial having constant damage pulsing during certain mechanics might suprise them. After all for EW you only ever had to use your CDs on stack ups and tbs.

I also said I'm hopeful the ilv scaling won't have an effect, it probably will CBU3 doesn't ever fix that powercreep.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Haedalyn in AF gear was actually fantastic as a healer for the amount of damage she put out for an EX

But like you say then crafted gear arrived and I went from succor+illumination to barely having to even bother with a sacred soil and the whole fight fell apart

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It's actually so sad how much that fight fell off after the crafted gear came out. I wasn't around for early game ShB did the same shit happen then?

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

no i see exactly what you're saying.

and you're wrong.

ilvl scaling WILL have the effect.

the devs always dangle the carrot of healing. doesn't mean it will stick around.

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So you didn't see my point about hoping constant pulsing damage becomes more common and are only focusing on me saying it would be nice if ILV scaling didn't ruin this casual spike. (Not once did I say it wouldn't happen by the way in fact I said it probably would lol.)

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Haedalyn in AF gear was actually fantastic as a healer for the amount of damage she put out for an EX

But like you say then crafted gear arrived and I went from succor+illumination to barely having to even bother with a sacred soil and the whole fight fell apart

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exactly what im saying i also loved healing hydealyn was such a fun fight for the first few weeks. problem is everything that followed didnt live up to the idea that we would have responsibilty within our roles again

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

You are severely over estimating what I'm saying. My opinion is "There are a little more soft healing checks in DTs casual content over EW."

I don't think they are hard, not at all. Healing in this game is easy, I just noted that they're happening more often which makes me slightly hopeful that pulsing damage becomes more common in casual content (Though I'm doubtful). It's not much harder than EW at all it's gone from just using my oGCD heal and sacred soil to using that and my fairy AOE regen. But to casual healers I could see the final trial having constant damage pulsing during certain mechanics might suprise them. After all for EW you only ever had to use your CDs on stack ups and tbs.

I also said I'm hopeful the ilv scaling won't have an effect, it probably will CBU3 doesn't ever fix that powercreep.

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no i see exactly what you're saying.

and you're wrong. the casual heal checks arent heal checks. using the right ogcd you dont really ahve to do anything else. EXs are just EW recycled in terms of heal checks

ilvl scaling WILL have the effect. no point hoping for anything else.

the devs always dangle the carrot of healing. doesn't mean it will stick around. everything will still be healable ogcd and even then once gear gets better and we outscale the content there will be little to no healing at all.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

You are severely over estimating what I'm saying. My opinion is "There are a little more soft healing checks in DTs casual content over EW."

I don't think they are hard, not at all. Healing in this game is easy, I just noted that they're happening more often which makes me slightly hopeful that pulsing damage becomes more common in casual content (Though I'm doubtful). It's not much harder than EW at all it's gone from just using my oGCD heal and sacred soil to using that and my fairy AOE regen. But to casual healers I could see the final trial having constant damage pulsing during certain mechanics might suprise them. After all for EW you only ever had to use your CDs on stack ups and tbs.

I also said I'm hopeful the ilv scaling won't have an effect, it probably will CBU3 doesn't ever fix that powercreep.



It's actually so sad how much that fight fell off after the crafted gear came out. I wasn't around for early game ShB did the same shit happen then?

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SHB levelling dungeons hit harder and the healing output in them was high. holminster bears, mt gulg big pulls, healing down debuffs attached to adds in amaurot. EXs not so much.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

You are severely over estimating what I'm saying. My opinion is "There are a little more soft healing checks in DTs casual content over EW."

I don't think they are hard, not at all. Healing in this game is easy, I just noted that they're happening more often which makes me slightly hopeful that pulsing damage becomes more common in casual content (Though I'm doubtful). It's not much harder than EW at all it's gone from just using my oGCD heal and sacred soil to using that and my fairy AOE regen. But to casual healers I could see the final trial having constant damage pulsing during certain mechanics might suprise them. After all for EW you only ever had to use your CDs on stack ups and tbs.

I also said I'm hopeful the ilv scaling won't have an effect, it probably will CBU3 doesn't ever fix that powercreep.



It's actually so sad how much that fight fell off after the crafted gear came out. I wasn't around for early game ShB did the same shit happen then?



So you didn't see my point about hoping constant pulsing damage becomes more common and are only focusing on me saying it would be nice if ILV scaling didn't ruin this casual spike. (Not once did I say it wouldn't happen by the way in fact I said it probably would lol.)

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no i saw it but its irrelevant. pulsing damage is covered by 1 ogcd. 1. thats not engaging gameplay

also while talking about this. end of 6.0 - cleansable debuffs for people getting hit that if you didn't cleanse killed them, aoes that could do massive damage that were followed quite quickly for normal mode content by stacks, multiple aoes while party had to be spread and executing a mechanic, DoTs on the ground as you ran that on content in artifact gear could do quite big chip damage, all in 1 dungeon. see how that gave healers responsibility? gone within weeks though.

Honestly. I am surprised that there is a discussion about something so basic.

Will anyone who is playing a healer harmed in any way if the healer jobs end up with more tools for DPS or or otherwise more involved gameplay? If someone does not want to press button 1 and button 2 and button 3 fore increase in damage, they can just press 1. Honestly some DPS do that anyways, at this point it's players choice if they want to use all that they have access to, yet not having those tools makes for limited and frankly suffocating experience for those who wish to heal - and have things to do when healing is not needed.

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

no i saw it but its irrelevant. pulsing damage is covered by 1 ogcd. 1. thats not engaging gameplay

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Well we have different opinions then. I think having pulsing damage and auto-attacks as engaging because constant damage means you have to heal more. It similar to how damage is handled in another MMO I play where I main healer. If Auto-attacks as well as pulsing damage both did moderate damage you start thinking more about balancing healing with damage.
Granted the tool kit in xiv is so hillariously bad this wouldn't be nearly as fun. Though in my ideal world id be playing a healer where oGCD healing was rare and my skill expression is the balance of healing and damage.

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

see how you ignored that the 1 ogcd is enough to heal it though... that pulsing damage in a few weeks will be nothing. its barely anything now

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"Granted the tool kit in xiv is so hillariously bad this wouldn't be nearly as fun."

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

keep dodging the point.

you've made the point that casual content has what you claim to be healing responsibility. if that can be done with 1 button then why are you claiming its a thing? its no different to any other casual content.

if you were actually having to heal more you'd have a point. but you're not having to heal more.

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The claim is that aoe damage is happening slightly more often. As opposed to EW where most of the time all aoe damage was incredibly telegraphed and bursty. That's all.
I still think healing is bad because the oGCDs are too strong and the damage dealing is bad. Its an observation and some cope coming out of me saying it would be nice if the damage was stronger and crafted gear didn't ruin it even though I know it will. I think you're looking for an argument over nothing.

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

so are you now claiming it's not telegraphed? its not more often at all you just have blinders on.

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I consider pulsing damage not as telegraphed as opposed to a stack up yes. I was a bit surprised to see during the final trial damage ticking down without the boss doing a harrowing hell like animation. I don't really have a strong opinion on this so I'm not really debating lol. I just liked the pulsing damage and the small heal check on the expert dungeon even though they're easy to deal with. The extent of my opinion goes "Oh that's neat, hope that happens more often and becomes more relevant/harder to deal with."
Also I use arguement and debate interchangeably so I'm not accusing you of anything. I just think you'll have a better conversation with someone who actually feels any form of passion to healing in this game. I find it so boring that a boss ticking down hp during a mechanic has been the highlight for me in the last 5 years.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Well we have different opinions then. I think having pulsing damage and auto-attacks as engaging because constant damage means you have to heal more. It similar to how damage is handled in another MMO I play where I main healer. If Auto-attacks as well as pulsing damage both did moderate damage you start thinking more about balancing healing with damage.
Granted the tool kit in xiv is so hillariously bad this wouldn't be nearly as fun. Though in my ideal world id be playing a healer where oGCD healing was rare and my skill expression is the balance of healing and damage.

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see how you ignored that the 1 ogcd is enough to heal it though... that pulsing damage in a few weeks will be nothing. its barely anything now

keep dodging the point.

you've made the point that casual content has what you claim to be healing responsibility. if that can be done with 1 button then why are you claiming its a thing? its no different to any other casual content.

if you were actually having to heal more you'd have a point. but you're not having to heal more.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

The claim is that aoe damage is happening slightly more often. As opposed to EW where most of the time all aoe damage was incredibly telegraphed and bursty. That's all.
I still think healing is bad because the oGCDs are too strong and the damage dealing is bad. Its an observation and some cope coming out of me saying it would be nice if the damage was stronger and crafted gear didn't ruin it even though I know it will. I think you're looking for an argument over nothing.

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so are you now claiming it's not telegraphed? its not more often at all you just have blinders on.

the only thing i agree with you on is that its cope.

an argument and a discussion are 2 very different things btw. just cause I'm not shying away from a discussion by trying to hide my replies behind changing my write ups to reply to messages that have come later doesn't mean I'm looking for a fight.

a discussion and a debate is healthy. why are you in forums where that's bound to happen if you're going to accuse people of looking for an argument when they disagree with what you're saying?

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

I wonder what's the longest thread in the forums. I know a few that are 900+ pages.
It's getting there!

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The original Show Your Miqo'te thread had to be locked because it reached 12,734 posts. For me (who has it set up to show 40 posts per page), that's 319 pages, compared to this thread's 157 pages. °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

I consider pulsing damage not as telegraphed as opposed to a stack up yes. I was a bit surprised to see during the final trial damage ticking down without the boss doing a harrowing hell like animation. I don't really have a strong opinion on this so I'm not really debating lol. I just liked the pulsing damage and the small heal check on the expert dungeon even though they're easy to deal with. The extent of my opinion goes "Oh that's neat, hope that happens more often and becomes more relevant/harder to deal with."

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it is just as telegraphed. ALL damage is telegraphed. IMO 5x small hits that does the same amount as 1x big hits is no different. you're still not engaging with your kit any more with 1 type than the other.

So much for your strike, I am getting in dungeons with healers quickly, it is always the tank we are waiting on. In fact our duty finder was all "Adventurer in Need: Tank" except 1.

Seems like the tanks are doing a better job of striking, albeit unintentionally.

I have to wonder what the average quality of healer is these days

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Originally Posted by Brian25

So much for your strike, I am getting in dungeons with healers quickly, it is always the tank we are waiting on. In fact our duty finder was all "Adventurer in Need: Tank" except 1.

Seems like the tanks are doing a better job of striking, albeit unintentionally.

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That's good, we don't actually want to hurt anyone's play time, we just want to gain attention to the criticisms we have.
I understand that criticizing your perfect game is a cardinal sin that can never be forgiven... But we feel this is that important to us to improve the game.
When this is all over, I hope we can make amends by performing seppuku after doing 50 hail yoshi-p's to an effigy of emet-selch, and buying all the cash shop items.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Like I said I think this will probably happen too. If you actually read what I was saying, I'm just hoping powercreep will not ruin the added healing checks. EW and ShB never had anything like this which is why I'm a little surprised.

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The worst part is that this would be so easy to fix with stricter ilvl sync. That's literally it.

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Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull

If healing checks and unavoidable damage are actually as high and common as they seem to be, are not invalidated by gear and people learning mechanics, and continue to be added in future patches I will be largely satisfied.
My issue with healers has been that damage isn’t high enough to justify our kits and our DPS kits aren’t fun enough to justify low healing requirements. So long as the devs address one of this issues I’ll be satisfied. It seems. SEEMS. Like they may have addressed the former. If so, bravo.

That said, we are in the first week of the expac so…

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I'm in the same boat. I really, really hope people are right. But I'm not holding my breath. Right now, things are super fun but that's because everyone is running around in garbage MSQ gear. We'll see how everything pans out when we outgear those fights.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

I'm in the same boat. I really, really hope people are right. But I'm not holding my breath. Right now, things are super fun but that's because everyone is running around in garbage MSQ gear. We'll see how everything pans out when we outgear those fights.

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Yeah.

Like each of the expert dungeons I personaly already had groups finish at least one boss after the healer bit it in normal ex roulettes. And those Dungeons sync to allow another 10 iLvL on top of what I had on Gnb at least.

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Originally Posted by Wildheaven182

That's good, we don't actually want to hurt anyone's play time, we just want to gain attention to the criticisms we have.
I understand that criticizing your perfect game is a cardinal sin that can never be forgiven... But we feel this is that important to us to improve the game.
When this is all over, I hope we can make amends by performing seppuku after doing 50 hail yoshi-p's to an effigy of emet-selch, and buying all the cash shop items.

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You're talking to the wrong person about fanboying, I am not some weeb, "Square and Yoshi only do right" person, like most of this forum is. I just think the healer strike is hilarious, especially because square probably doesn't even remember this forum exists.

Just a small reminder that there are only 4 battle system designers (aka job designers) as of the release of dawntrail. We have 21 jobs and no job designer for healer.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

The worst part is that this would be so easy to fix with stricter ilvl sync. That's literally it.

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Exactly. The ilvl power creep is ridiculous. There are so many nice dungeons out there for example but they're effectively all the same now and boring as sin. What a shame.

Apart from a min ilvl roulette you should have the option to make a dungeon harder and queue through PF. Quadruple the drop rate or something. Nobody cares.

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Originally Posted by Local_Custard

Just a small reminder that there are only 4 battle system designers (aka job designers) as of the release of dawntrail. We have 21 jobs and no job designer for healer.

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I heard that in the past but do we have a source for that about the amount battle system designer? :0

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Originally Posted by Brian25

So much for your strike, I am getting in dungeons with healers quickly, it is always the tank we are waiting on. In fact our duty finder was all "Adventurer in Need: Tank" except 1.

Seems like the tanks are doing a better job of striking, albeit unintentionally.

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Ever considered about UI limitation?

This has been shown dozens of times to be an unintentional artefact of how slow DF updates and how the system was when AIN was released

Tank is “first priority” for AIN which people believe is a reflection of the fact that when it launched tank was the rarest role. Healer can only be AIN specifically when tank is NOT AIN. If both are needed then tank is given AIN even if there are actually less healers

This leads to the situation where you are a tank and queue for something as AIN and the queue takes like 5 minutes but if you leave and queue as a healer you’ll get an insta pop, both roles are technically needed but even though healer is “more” needed tank is the default AIN. You also notice this where if you check AIN at the dead of the servers downtime when nobody is queuing or right after downtime tank is just the default AIN

I have leveled AST during pre-release, I feel it was improved enough I have hope it is better, but for now I feel totally unmotivated to play healer, I will take my time leveling DPS until they fix these issues. So I sign with this.

Yoshi-P acknowledged in a live letter quite a while ago that he does read the Forums, he is given the top 10 threads translated to him daily. I'm sure staff are really reading the forums while looking at what to give him.

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Originally Posted by DeathNoodles

Yoshi-P acknowledged in a live letter quite a while ago that he does read the Forums, he is given the top 10 threads translated to him daily. I'm sure staff are really reading the forums while looking at what to give him.

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i wonder which languages

If its translated it wouldn't be the japanese one.
But i hope it somewhat filtered as while i support the healer strike the repetition of disruption and disarming it would be tiring to read trough @.@

If they are reading it, this is what I can share from playing SCH till 100:

Engaging fights make it easier to play an engage with the job.

The 100 Trial, you get to throw so much out there, you check your bar a lot to see which tools are ready or coming off cooldown. The awareness is so much more heightened, DoTS/Chain Strat/Baneful Impaction flowed naturally, as well as my heal tools. What I’m saying: don’t worry about healers not keeping up with damage if the fight feels like they’re keeping an eye on their kit.

It’s this level of combat that we want to feel as healers. The constant raidwide damage is a GOOD thing.

The downside in this trial is that the tanks can just tank LB3 through one of the most fun healing spots (Seraphism feels wonderful there).

However, I can already see the difficulty starting to ease up as folks are already getting their 700 ilvl gear and become better at the mechanics.

Recommendations for these types of mechanics would be:
•For Left/Right, have it still do raidwide damage on the safe side.
•Same for donuts, have it deal high damage outside, some damage inside.
•For the lock-on AoE, have it deal light DoT damage to the target before it stops.
•The tethered line, have it deal light DoT damage to those holding it, but light raid damage outside the line.

There are a lot of good combat encounter changes in the 99/100 content. This is good! Keep doing that! (But please also make healers more engaging when healing isn’t required).

The amount of damage going out in Dawntrail content has actually made healer kind of fun for me. Still wish I could get SCH's old dots back but at least I'm not bored out of my mind (even if I wish I was playing PCT the entire time)

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Originally Posted by Emitans

The amount of damage going out in Dawntrail content has actually made healer kind of fun for me. Still wish I could get SCH's old dots back but at least I'm not bored out of my mind (even if I wish I was playing PCT the entire time)

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Agree, not sure if its due to gear but it's been pretty busy so far, can still weave in some dps but had to heal more than usual in a MSQ dungeon compared to previous expansions.

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Originally Posted by Local_Custard

Just a small reminder that there are only 4 battle system designers (aka job designers) as of the release of dawntrail. We have 21 jobs and no job designer for healer.

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Which healers should have someone focusing on them too.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

This has been shown dozens of times to be an unintentional artefact of how slow DF updates and how the system was when AIN was released

Tank is “first priority” for AIN which people believe is a reflection of the fact that when it launched tank was the rarest role. Healer can only be AIN specifically when tank is NOT AIN. If both are needed then tank is given AIN even if there are actually less healers

This leads to the situation where you are a tank and queue for something as AIN and the queue takes like 5 minutes but if you leave and queue as a healer you’ll get an insta pop, both roles are technically needed but even though healer is “more” needed tank is the default AIN. You also notice this where if you check AIN at the dead of the servers downtime when nobody is queuing or right after downtime tank is just the default AIN

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I have had tank in need but waited 10 min

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Originally Posted by DeathNoodles

Yoshi-P acknowledged in a live letter quite a while ago that he does read the Forums, he is given the top 10 threads translated to him daily. I'm sure staff are really reading the forums while looking at what to give him.

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Lets hope that they keep on top of this post, he needs to address the situation.

The impact of this "strike" was already very limited, but now with the endgame dungeons I feel like it shouldn't be relevant anymore, healers actually have things to do in the high level trials and dungeons.

What do max level healers doing the strike think of current endgame? do you all not feel busier than previous expacs? or is it about having more buttons to press?

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Originally Posted by EponaTBHSMH

The impact of this "strike" was already very limited, but now with the endgame dungeons I feel like it shouldn't be relevant anymore, healers actually have things to do in the high level trials and dungeons.

What do max level healers doing the strike think of current endgame? do you all not feel busier than previous expacs? or is it about having more buttons to press?

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I feel like it's only gonna be fun until people outgear the content. Unless a stricter iLvl sync is implemented, that is. And only being allowed to have fun for the first few weeks of an expansion sucks.

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Originally Posted by EponaTBHSMH

The impact of this "strike" was already very limited, but now with the endgame dungeons I feel like it shouldn't be relevant anymore, healers actually have things to do in the high level trials and dungeons.

What do max level healers doing the strike think of current endgame? do you all not feel busier than previous expacs? or is it about having more buttons to press?

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Consider there is a small outset of people that even supported it. Couple hundred in total, if that? I think lot of people "signed up" just for the meme but when it comes down to it people still play their role cause they don't want to sit in a 15-30 minute queue.

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Originally Posted by TsubameMikage

Your logic is inconsistent.

Healers are already expected to use their DPS kit, and if the issue is "you should be using all your kit all the time" - then why isn't that true for healing, as well? I, and others, literally don't have the majority of our heal spells on our bars because they're not needed.



If we're don't have to heal, and we're not going to be able to have engaging DPS gameplay, why on earth do we exist?

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No. Healers arent supposed to use all their healing toolkit if everything goes right. Healers ARE MEANT TO BE OVERPOWERED. Why? Because if fights are made to use all your heals, then what will you do if something goes wrong? Healers are there to babysit and watch the rest of the party. A lot of the skills are situational and there were instances I used all my skills when shit hit the fan.

Also, another thing - if you are supposed to use your full toolkit in a fight, if you mess up your healing rotation, it would also get wipe. Think about it before you wish for something.

And if you don't have your healing spells on your bar... God, I hope to never get you in roulette. Wait, I play WAR on NA. IDC. HAHA.

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Originally Posted by TsubameMikage

Thank you for your support and understanding of what our strike is meant to do.

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Then play DPS and don't whine? Or hear me out - Give ACTUALL GOOD IDEAS, because OP is just crybaby without a single idea how to fix it. And no, removing self sustain isn't it. And if there were some ideas, idc, because I'm not gonna read 600 pages of complete madness.

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Originally Posted by TsubameMikage

Most players don't touch savage, or even extremes. Not that this issue doesn't persist there either.

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Healers want to heal more, but don't want to heal content that requires little bit more of the proper healing. Yoshida is trully meant to add more damage to casual content where people die all the time anyway. Seems about right. Also, ultimate raiders ask for completly different changes than OP. They don't want bs like removing party mits and selfsustain.

How I wish you all played in 1.0 and ARR. Maybe you would like it. It sucked for anyone else.

Anyway, why am I even reacting? Im dumb. I will go and enjoy DT. SO far its fun. Cya!

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

And if you don't have your healing spells on your bar... God, I hope to never get you in roulette. Wait, I play WAR on NA. IDC. HAHA.



How I wish you all played in 1.0 and ARR. Maybe you would like it. It sucked for anyone else.

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- Complete disregard for practically ever post that’s come before it
- A total misunderstanding of the issues raised
- Gives invalid advice (play DPS…that ain’t a healer tho is it)
- Thinks Warrior is completely fine and not busted at all
- is a Warrior

Coincidence? I think not.

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

No. Healers arent supposed to use all their healing toolkit if everything goes right. Healers ARE MEANT TO BE OVERPOWERED.

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Why are warrior ogcd selfheals against bosses pretty much the same as what a WHM can with ogcd+lilly healing on a tank? And on top of that, some of those heals from WHM like Assize and Lithurgy can't be used nearly as freely as the selfheals from WAR. If those heals from WHM are OP, sometimes fiinicky, and not meant to be used constantly. Why does WAR need similar levels of ogcd heals, in such an easy to use way that they can just use it whenever?

And to make the potency stuff a bit less handwavy, I already compared that a bit more in depth a few pages back.

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Originally Posted by Connor

- Complete disregard for practically ever post that’s come before it
- A total misunderstanding of the issues raised
- Gives invalid advice (play DPS…that ain’t a healer tho is it)
- Thinks Warrior is completely fine and not busted at all
- is a Warrior

Coincidence? I think not.

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Complete disregard for practically ever post that’s come before it - Yes

A total misunderstanding of the issues raised - As I said. First people whined healing is too hard. Now that it is supposed to be too simple. Ofc it is too simple if you know fight perfectly and know where to use each healing spell. But that apply to every job ever. I really suggest you to try mentor roulette. Doing extremes with sprout as a healer is the most fun I have. Or as I suggested - switch roles. I'm not a one trick. I can play full trinity and that's why healing never became boring to me. But remove party's sustain toolkit, add more damage to bossess and make healers rotation more complex and you will then see how few people are actually gonna do savage/ultimates as healers. It would be too much on two people in the party. Even in EW, on late shielded raid wide and if tank didnt used their mit or DPS didnt used their reduction, its a wipe. also, if healers have big unused toolkit... Why have I seen so many wipes in P10S on HH?

Gives invalid advice (play DPS…that ain’t a healer tho is it) - Most people here slowly wishes that healers would be DPS. So best would be to go play DPS.

Thinks Warrior is completely fine and not busted at all - Do I think WAR is a little bit busted? Yeah, a little bit. IN DUNGEONS. Nobody cares about dungeons. Remove his kit and he would be useless in savage. Change his kit and he would be completly same as other tanks. Also, I have saved so many people in the wrong spots because of my WAR toolkit. Or when healer didn't did what was the most optimal thing to do (Because they haven't used their toolkit). And alive person is better than ressed with vuln res. WAR is fine. You need to be a proactive, and not a reactive healer.

is a Warrior - MAN. MODE.

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Originally Posted by aiqa

Why are warrior ogcd selfheals against bosses pretty much the same as what a WHM can with ogcd+lilly healing on a tank? And on top of that, some of those heals from WHM like Assize and Lithurgy can't be used nearly as freely as the selfheals from WAR. If those heals from WHM are OP, sometimes fiinicky, and not meant to be used constantly. Why does WAR need similar levels of ogcd heals, in such an easy to use way that they can just use it whenever?

And to make the potency stuff a bit less handwavy, I already compared that a bit more in depth a few pages back.

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Well the real problem here is WHM being disgustingly undertuned and it being ignored for FAR too long.

Their heal potencies and CD times are ancient, why is Benediction on a 3 minute timer and Asylum on 90s when all healers have an aoe benediction (except WHM lmao) and similar aoe regens on 60s? Why is both their healing and mitigation and every tool in their toolkit weaker than every other healers? Why is their DSP far and away the lowest when they offer no rDPS?

This is the result of sweeping WHM issues under the rug since HW.