#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

That's the thing tho, when something's been pushing players, they have said that it's too difficult so SE has made it easier.
Not just specific to a job, but in general as well.
Dungeons has been nerfed, missions has been nerfed.
Fights in general have almost everything marked out so you don't miss anything.
We even have system in place during some missions that if you fail you can retry it but can select an easier mode.

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this is their problem sometimes you have to say no otherwise we end up having a braindead game. People asked for Elden Ring to have an easy mode and they never added it.

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Originally Posted by Varipanda

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C) only really works if you give tanks back some sort of other mechanic because again you are reducing the class to a DPS .

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What if, radical idea here, they mitigated incoming damage? They could have like an ability on a short cooldown to reduce incoming damage by X% to mitigate tankbuster, it could even have two different effects with different lengths to encourage proper timing.

I don't know why people are adamant that both MSQ content and the jobs we play have to be catered to the lowest common denominator.

If the content absolutely has to be designed to be boring, we should at least be allowed to have fun jobs to engage in every content.

Designing both content and jobs to be exceedingly simple just hurts the game because it ends up segregating people into different content depending on their skill level. This causes people to fall into tribal camps and we get the whole "casual v elitist" nonsense that we have now.

XIV is the only MMO I've seen that's so aggressive about bending backwards to cater to less-skilled players vs. actually challenging them to improve and learn, and it's dubious if it's even doing that much good for the player metrics.

I liked being able to offer advice to people complaining about the SB MSQ duties in novice network so they could succeed, but then they just added easy mode so they don't even need to try anymore.

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Originally Posted by Varipanda

A) up the difficulty of all packs disallowing wall to walls from now on and the forums explode from that one decision.

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Sadly this wouldn't work, people don't like spending more time in a dungeon than they have to so if you make it so they can't go wall to wall pulls anymore you'll get Tank, Healer and DPS players complaining to make the difficulty lower again.

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B) Balance damage for the very best tanks to still be able to wall to wall but your average tank being unable to but culturally it will still be the standard because if Xeems can do it so can I will lead to the absolute curse of getting that one awful gun-breaker who was carried by a god tier white mage that one time.

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Balance will never be fully achieved, no game can do this there will always be a meta no matter how hard you try to balance things without complete homogenization.

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c) remove all self heal skills from tanks , making them essentially shit dps with rampart seeing as they've already removed emnity

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Then you'll have a Tank strike which will accomplish nothing, there is probably alrdy less Tanks than Healers actively participating in the role.

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D) increase the difficulty of Dps rotations where you get the inevitable backlash of ' Im a healer not a dps'

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This I can absolutely get behind, more buttons doesnt necessarily mean better, but more complex thought provoking rotations would absolutely work better across all jobs, but in the end most players will go meta and min max anyway, look at WoW as a prime example.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

This is a trinty MMO all jobs should be required for current content if you don't want that play a different MMO.

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Is that really needed to say? like I think we all agree it is bad and annoying that people downplay the complains by saying that people should just play something else. I don't think it is better though to tell people they should just play something else if they like how it is right now

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Originally Posted by mellii

Is that really needed to say? like I think we all agree it is bad and annoying that people downplay the complains by saying that people should just play something else. I don't think it is better though to tell people they should just play something else if they like how it is right now

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They don't like a fundemental design aspect of this game, if they don't like it they shouldn't play it. I don't like RTS games but I don't demand RTS games to become ARPG, I just don't play them, why do I have to coddle people like that?

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

Thats fine, you are not open to criticism, you are scared of it so you hide behind an alt instead of showing your accomplishments that makes healers boring and are certainly not needed for all content, that's fine I now know for certain this thread isnt a serious one and I will leave you all to it, it got boring reading all the players attacking eachother instead of seeing a real discussion.

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This entire post, and any requests to show savage logs when the discussion is not about savage but job design, are ad hominem attacks and we don't have to respond to them. The people who have anything intelligent to say about healer design are able to do so without criticising a person's accomplishments.

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Originally Posted by Varipanda

I think the real solution is keep leveling dungeons as they are but normalize a higher level of play required in anything outside of the MSQ.which they've kind of already said they are doing.

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honestly, I would believe that when it happens. Yoshi also said that we were meant to be healers, not dps... well, in 7 we certainly arent really healers.. think one of the tanks has a better regen than I do, and certainly not dps either.

so what they say and what gets delivered is...unreliable.

I don't think we need much more proof of what's wrong with the current design then those ability usage ratios in ultimate speedruns.

I mean they commented on the feedback from the benchmark and from the ddos stuff but they didn’t mention this not even acknowledge they’ve seen it spoken about so I honestly don’t think they see it as wider issue. This thread is just a small sample pool of players and if anything this sort of strike should of been consistent across expansions and patches a recurring thing.. I know people have said they’ve expressed it in the past but yeah.. doubt much will change.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

XIV is the only MMO I've seen that's so aggressive about bending backwards to cater to less-skilled players vs. actually challenging them to improve and learn, and it's dubious if it's even doing that much good for the player metrics.

I liked being able to offer advice to people complaining about the SB MSQ duties in novice network so they could succeed, but then they just added easy mode so they don't even need to try anymore.

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This. I don't understand why we as a community have to be allergic to the idea of having at least some level of challenge to overcome. One that comes from the gameplay itself and not a player who didn't bother actually trying. Does nobody want to improve in the thing they're doing on this game? Actually learn and grow?
Where did the mentality of the devs of , we're not nerfing Shinryu so please challenger yourself further to beat the fight go ?

Half the replies on here I've seen from rookie healers who say , no dungeons are still hard actually , are coming in with examples from running with tanks who don't even bother fulfilling that role properly so your artificial difficulty is from an underskilled player that didn't bother - not the content itself. Yet you still get through it regardless because its that trivial. Playing like a monkey and costing your party should be punishable and something to learn from , not a pass.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

They don't like a fundemental design aspect of this game, if they don't like it they shouldn't play it. I don't like RTS games but I don't demand RTS games to become ARPG, I just don't play them, why do I have to coddle people like that?

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I would argue that the game at the moment is designed in a way (at least when it comes to casual content, for harder content it is a more complicated discussion and not what that person was talking about anyway), that it can be cleared by the other people no matter how bad another player is in a particular role. It is totally fine not to be happy with that state and thinking it is a fundamental aspect of this genre that should be part in casual content in this game as well. But when it comes to FFXIV itself at least at the moment it is not a fundamental aspect of this game for casual content right now and I just think it is kind of wrong to tell people to play something different if they are happy that it is the case right now.

The basic mits in this game are so boring for the sake of everything being standard its dire. self healing is about as interesting as we have.
I would love for Warriors to maybe have something like a mit that takes like 50% of damage for 15 seconds and turns it into a dot that needs to be out healed.
or like DRK to have something like a powerfull mit that gives you stacks that you pay for later like 40% mit but every 2 seconds spent in it gives you an increasing 1% damage taken when dispelled so you can kind of use it as an emergency button.
but we dont have that we have flat values that you can just use on a cycle.

so yeah they'dd just be a dps but they get rampart

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Originally Posted by Reinha

This entire post, and any requests to show savage logs when the discussion is not about savage but job design, are ad hominem attacks and we don't have to respond to them. The people who have anything intelligent to say about healer design are able to do so without criticising a person's accomplishments.

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By your likes to my likes ratio to some degree I am correct in that response, you guys literally want an echochamber and you are absolutely unwilling to discuss idea's unless it suits you.

It seems to be the same 10-15 people liking eachothers posts thinking giving eachother a false sense of accomplishment. Good luck with your strike.

some sort of synchronicity between healers and tanks would go a long way

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Originally Posted by mellii

I would argue that the game at the moment is designed in a way (at least when it comes to casual content, for harder content it is a more complicated discussion and not what that person was talking about anyway), that it can be cleared by the other people no matter how bad another player is in a particular role. It is totally fine not to be happy with that state and thinking it is a fundamental aspect of this genre that should be part in casual content in this game as well. But when it comes to FFXIV itself at least at the moment it is not a fundamental aspect of this game for casual content right now and I just think it is kind of wrong to tell people to play something different if they are happy that it is the case right now.

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I wouldn't be thinking this if the game wasnt objectively worse for healers. Coddling to people who don't like trinity mmos has made an entire role boring and bad to play so im sorry but I will keep having the opinion that they play non-trinty mmos or have square enix remove the trinty aspect of this mmo and I move on. The only thing I hate more than being pushed away is being bored.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

By your likes to my likes ratio to some degree I am correct in that response, you guys literally want an echochamber and you are absolutely unwilling to discuss idea's unless it suits you.

It seems to be the same 10-15 people liking eachothers posts thinking giving eachother a false sense of accomplishment. Good luck with your strike.

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Have you ever considered that people just find you unpleasant to deal with?

You jump at random people in the thread and accuse them of things you made up.

I know I find you rather unpleasant.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I don't think we need much more proof of what's wrong with the current design then those ability usage ratios in ultimate speedruns.

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Just to remind people:

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

Also, picture(s) say a thousand words:

Scholar casts in top 5 speedrun, Savage, A12S/O12Sp2/E12Sp2/P12Sp2

HW:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...319&height=758

SB:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

ShB

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EW

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50th percentile Scholar, Savage, A12S/O12Sp2/E12Sp2/P12Sp2

HW

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...369&height=758

SB

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...186&height=758

ShB

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

EW

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10th percentile Scholar, Savage, A12S/O12Sp2/E12Sp2/P12Sp2

HW

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

SB

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...261&height=758

ShB

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...392&height=758

EW

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...299&height=758

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

I wouldn't be thinking this if the game wasnt objectively worse for healers. Coddling to people who don't like trinity mmos has made an entire role boring and bad to play so im sorry but I will keep having the opinion that they play non-trinty mmos or have square enix remove the trinty aspect of this mmo and I move on. The only thing I hate more than being pushed away is being bored.

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when we are talking about what is enjoyable in a game and what not (and that is the main focus of the discussion). That will always be a discussion about subjective things for the most part. For example that healers press only 1 gcd button for the majority of their rotation is an objective fact but that it is boring or bad that that is subjective. Something subjective a lot of people understandably agree with but it doesn't change the fact that is subjective and that some people can feel different about it as well (that is just an example though to illustrate that point). and because it is about something subjective their opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

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Originally Posted by mellii

when we are talking about what is enjoyable in a game and what not (and that is the main focus of the discussion). That will always be a discussion about subjective things for the most part. For example that healers press only 1 gcd button for the majority of their rotation is an objective fact but that it is boring or bad that that is subjective. Something subjective a lot of people understandably agree with but it doesn't change the fact that is subjective and that some people can feel different about it as well (that is just an example though to illustrate that point). and because it is about something subjective their opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

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The developers should figure out a way so that players who want to click 1 GCD can still merely click 1 GCD while others who don't can choose to.

You can have your cake and eat it too. The developers just need to think beyond the current design paradigm to consider how best to cater to both casual players and high-end players.

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Originally Posted by aiqa

Have you even read to a significant part of this thread. All your objections have been adressed multiple times. The complaints about diluting healer roles have been about mostly WAR, and slightly less about PLD. You should read the posts in the context of the rest of the thread. Don't assume people complaining about tank self sustain mean specifically DRK, they are probably just to lazy to say "mostly WAR, and PLD close behind, and sometimes even GNB, but DRK is probably fine" every time.

And about your complaints that all your points are ignored. You only have a few posts in total, there couldn't have been more than 3 that were ignored in the previous 250 pages. That can happen if people think there is something more interesting to discuss.

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Actually, I have read a lot of the posts in this thread and people HAVE been lumping all the tanks again numerous times. I would have to go back 100+ pages, but people have done it several times in this thread. So don't assume I haven't been keeping up. I've been noting the arguments on both sides and taking into consideration what has been going on, but this thread has become so hostile for people that actually came in to try and keep a neutral stance, while pointing out the holes on both sides of the fence, and it just spirals into a mess.

Perhaps if people remained constructive, instead of feeling the need to be snarky, sarcastic, rude and downright insulting other cultures things would be far more constructive.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

The developers should figure out a way so that players who want to click 1 GCD can still merely click 1 GCD while others who don't can choose to.

You can have your cake and eat it too. The developers just need to think beyond the current design paradigm to consider how best to cater to both casual players and high-end players.

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That's pretty much just Summoner, those players can have a niche in one of the 14 DPS roles not 4/4 healers

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Originally Posted by Varipanda

some sort of synchronicity between healers and tanks would go a long way

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Very interesting shift in thought you got there mate.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

The developers should figure out a way so that players who want to click 1 GCD can still merely click 1 GCD while others who don't can choose to.

You can have your cake and eat it too. The developers just need to think beyond the current design paradigm to consider how best to cater to both casual players and high-end players.

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With that I totally agree. my point though was anyway just illustrating the difference between something objective and something subjective and not to just tell other people to play something different if they are happy with how it is right now and wouldn't like some changes that would would not be optional

still stand by it
it reeks of the type of person who plays healer ' so they can have the partys life at their hands' and are annoyed that its not

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Originally Posted by ImTired

Actually, I have read a lot of the posts in this thread and people HAVE been lumping all the tanks again numerous times. I would have to go back 100+ pages, but people have done it several times in this thread. So don't assume I haven't been keeping up. I've been noting the arguments on both sides and taking into consideration what has been going on, but this thread has become so hostile for people that actually came in to try and keep a neutral stance, while pointing out the holes on both sides of the fence, and it just spirals into a mess.

Perhaps if people remained constructive, instead of feeling the need to be snarky, sarcastic, rude and downright insulting other cultures things would be far more constructive.

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To be fair, it's a non-moderated , and relatively unorganized"strike". You're going to have unsavory individuals both for and against the agenda who may have varying takes or biases unrelated to the main post who may also make one opinion seem worse , better, toxic or misinformed.

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Originally Posted by Varipanda

still stand by it
it reeks of the type of person who plays healer ' so they can have the partys life at their hands' and are annoyed that its not

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omg that is such a basic take - and you thought it was worth typing
please child, read the thread, educate yourself

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Originally Posted by ImTired

I'm so confused as to why people are saying that the issue with healer is not a content/game design issue when it literally is by all definition when you look at the primary complaints coming from healer.

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I don't know if people were mean to you or whatever since I'm not reading through the entire thread.

But this point has already been addressed. Please look at the casts of final floor savages. A12S truly did not have that much more healing than P12S. Neither did O12S (the hard ones that xpac were in 4 and 8).

Same healing required by the encounter but much more different playstyles required of the player, at all skill levels. There is only one variable that changed: the job kits.

Additionally some of us have repeatedly said that you had to use your entire kit even in dungeons in HW and SB if you wanted to be optimal. Furthermore healerless dungeon runs in HW was next to impossible on patch, and in SB they were still difficult even with a Red Mage. Without a RDM or a PLD they were next to impossible too.

It is not set in stone that dungeons have to be so casual that you can efficiently run through them without using 80% of your kit. This isn't just a problem with WAR. I've done many GNB runs with 3 DPS, including with casual players. It's trivial.

We have gone from healerless runs in dungeons being outright impossible with almost all compositions to now healerless runs being trivial on 3 tanks and doable on DRK.

Do you really think the variable that changed was the dungeon damage profile?

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

I think regardless of preferences, it defeats the purpose of the entire combat system. The point of a hotbar style RPG is to have a full hotbar of different actions that you actively switch between. Imagine playing Xenoblade Chronicles, but Shulk’s only action is Back Slash. Everything else either has an incredibly long cooldown, or is highly niche and rarely used, so Shulk just spams Back Slash for most of the fight in every fight from the start of the game to the end of the game. I question how positively the player base would’ve responded to a design decision like that.

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true, like I said totally understandable not liking it. My issue was mainly with telling people off to just play something else if they like and that was all I was discussing.

And I think the player base would respond negatively to that. But I don't find it impossible to imagine that at least some people would find it more enjoyable as well. And in that case as well I would have issues as well with people telling them "just play something else" if they voice that they like it. My only issue is with people putting their own opinion as more objective than other peoples opinion when it comes to the subjective parts.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

snip snap

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Mad no one agrees with you? It's all this really reads as, sadly. There's a plethora of information here that people just aren't considering, or even reading. But yet again, thanks for the bump I guess!

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Originally Posted by Varipanda

still stand by it
it reeks of the type of person who plays healer ' so they can have the partys life at their hands' and are annoyed that its not

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Tanks who refuse to use Tank Stance can literally wipe the party within few seconds.

I started the game as a healer un 2013. I main healer, to this day. And it's boring, no matter the content. Even savages and ultimates are boring once your team is comfortable.
Healing has been boring since Stormblood to me (WHM main lol), SGE felt nice at the beginning, but three hours later, the fun was gone, because all of my hotbars are exactly the same between all healers.
During EW savage prog, I was beyond annoyed at all the "fake" peaks of difficulty for healers. Oh you're stepping into the poison? Take a dot that 2HKO anyone, so even the healers can't compensate. Oh you got 7 people alive out of 8 ? Too bad, no amount of shielding can protect you. Tankbusters? Don't worry, we got enough mitigation and self-heal to literally not have a scratch. Everyone died but you did your job? Sorry but you also need the DPS and the tanks to shield and mitigate, because the healers aren't enough.

It's like, we're too weak, and weirdly too powerful at the same time.

I remember being very careful during T13 prog back then (or even T7/9!), how timing was really important for heals, because one GCD too much and you could become the target, and one GCD less and the tank could die ─ and let's not forget about stance dancing. That's when I felt like healing was more important ; now it feels like being a cheap DPS with a green icon being present for mechanics only.

There is something fundamentally wrong with these jobs if people are hoping for noobs dying on repeat during alliance raid so they can have "a little bit" of fun. It's not like I want to take the fun away from those who are satisfied, but I also deserve to have fun with the jobs I (used to) love.

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Originally Posted by mellii

when we are talking about what is enjoyable in a game and what not (and that is the main focus of the discussion). That will always be a discussion about subjective things for the most part. For example that healers press only 1 gcd button for the majority of their rotation is an objective fact but that it is boring or bad that that is subjective. Something subjective a lot of people understandably agree with but it doesn't change the fact that is subjective and that some people can feel different about it as well (that is just an example though to illustrate that point). and because it is about something subjective their opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

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We have four healers in the game one of them can have the 1111 button spam and everyone else can have a better dps rotation. This another problem with the game making every job appeal to everyone for no real good reason. Its how DRK started to become WAR because DRK took MP usage and had oGCD focus as well as less self sustainability but now people who came over from WAR but like DRK because it looks cool to them want to make it into WAR ruining it for the core players. You can make a million excuses I can make a million excuses my opinion wont change as people have tried to change it for 5 years and all have failed.
If they want the game casual make duty support casual, make an easy healer job, make a easy tank job and dps and so on. There are over 20 jobs in this game make some of them hard for people who want to be pushed.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

Once again, one of my thoughts and ideas on how this could be resolved has been glossed over and not even discussed so people can continue arguing with eachother, Thats why i believe your cause is doomed because all thats wanted in here is an echochamber to complain about SE and Yoshi P and no Dev will or should take this thread seriously in it's current state.

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Oh my god Marcia, just because people didn't drop their pants in excitement over your suggestion of "What if FFXIV had Holy Shock?" doesn't mean it's an "echo chamber".

There's this recurring theme here of people who pop-in with uninspired arguments (that have already been addressed 88938912 times) or totally-lukewarm ideas, and then seem to take it deeply-personally if no one really engages with it.

Well, no one's engaging with it because it's not really contributing anything very interesting. This is like being mad at everyone else in the room, and vowing vengeance, because your icebreaker didn't work and people kept having the conversations that they were already having before you arrived.

Like I get it, you think that your own insights, quips, criticisms, and ideas are absolutely amazing, and you're anticipating everyone else agreeing with you, or praising you, or whatever, and then you get super-steamed when everyone's like, "Oh okay, yeah, I guess" and then keeps going, and you don't get the Likes you want, or... something.

And that's when the fist-shaking and assertions of pointlessness and threats of how everything is "doomed" and lamenting the "state" of the thread and other bizarro concern-trolling / pearl-clutching begin.

Look — like 200 pages ago, someone from JP came over and expressed their doubts about this method, but then listened, engaged, admitted that they share some of the concerns, disagreed with other concerns, and then finally said they couldn't keep up with all the replies, and bowed-out.

No one attacked them, people engaged with them, and there was plenty of "That's fine, we'll agree to disagree". People here obviously have no problem discussing things openly, and accepting that not everyone agrees 100%, when it feels like there's actually a productive discussion occurring.

I think that what you want to call an "echo chamber" actually just means "No one is paying attention to me because I'm not saying anything very interesting, and that makes me mad".

Also to add to above, not everyone is immediately ready to engage with every reply here lmao.

Anyway holy shock sounds neat I guess as a concept. If healers could alternatively use their oGcds for heal or harm with the sacrifice of putting it on cooldown/using job gauge would open up the class for more decision making than what it currently has.

I'm not sure if it'd entirely solve the problem, but atleast I'd be able to see the pretty effects more often. Plus, the idea of say, fairy tethering to a enemy for a like 15 second dot sounds kind of funny.

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Originally Posted by GoodPerson

Also to add to above, not everyone is immediately ready to engage with every reply here lmao.

Anyway holy shock sounds neat I guess as a concept. If healers could alternatively use their oGcds for heal or harm with the sacrifice of putting it on cooldown/using job gauge would open up the class for more decision making than what it currently has.

I'm not sure if it'd entirely solve the problem, but atleast I'd be able to see the pretty effects more often. Plus, the idea of say, fairy tethering to a enemy for a like 15 second dot sounds kind of funny.

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That would give the fairy more use than just being a heal drone and you actually get to interact with it, also thank you for a civil response.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

We have four healers in the game one of them can have the 1111 button spam and everyone else can have a better dps rotation. This another problem with the game making every job appeal to everyone for no real good reason. Its how DRK started to become WAR because DRK took MP usage and had oGCD focus as well as less self sustainability but now people who came over from WAR but like DRK because it looks cool to them want to make it into WAR ruining it for the core players. You can make a million excuses I can make a million excuses my opinion wont change as people have tried to change it for 5 years and all have failed.
If they want the game casual make duty support casual, make an easy healer job, make a easy tank job and dps and so on. There are over 20 jobs in this game make some of them hard for people who want to be pushed.

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and with all of that I agree, more variety and options would be a good thing and wording it like that is not something I have any issue with as well. Even though it would have been nice if you included something in your response that would at least be on the points I was talking about (because nothing I personally talked about with you was about how the game should be and only about how dismissive something else you said was in my opinion), so it feels like you are not really engaging with what I am saying

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

That would give the fairy more use than just being a heal drone and you actually get to interact with it, also thank you for a civil response.

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It'd run the issue of the fairy being preoccupied and therfore unable to be issues other actions but I see what you mean , Sch has always , as far as I remember, always had more fairy Guage than what they know what to do with.

Though , while a idea, it'd require a pretty huge overhaul to all the healers more than I think is within the developers scope. It would (in my opinon) be easier to just make healers more HPS focused , which thankfully theyre more than equipped to handle , with fights that compliment it. Good example that's been mentioned plenty is barbariccia EX, just that but as a baseline of what to expect so that healers aren't just pressing 1 outside of very minimal downtime.

Since , bottom-line, we just want to have the ability to keep busy in some engaging way

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Originally Posted by GoodPerson

It'd run the issue of the fairy being preoccupied and therfore unable to be issues other actions but I see what you mean , Sch has always , as far as I remember, always had more fairy Guage than what they know what to do with.

Though , while a idea, it'd require a pretty huge overhaul to all the healers more than I think is within the developers scope. It would (in my opinon) be easier to just make healers more HPS focused , which thankfully theyre more than equipped to handle , with fights that compliment it. Good example that's been mentioned plenty is barbariccia EX, just that but as a baseline of what to expect so that healers aren't just pressing 1 outside of very minimal downtime.

Since , bottom-line, we just want to have the ability to keep busy in some engaging way

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I get that I play healer on and off, my biggest concern with going more HPS is the UI lag, but im guess im almost out of posts for the day all the best!