Can we get modern english translation?

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Originally Posted by Ransu

And I'm telling you as someone who speaks both Japanese and English that a significant amount of context was left out in the English translation to the point that major plot points from that scene were not even translated.

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Incorrect. The contextual information was all there. The English dialogue simply elected to forgo the on the nose exposition of the Japanese text.

There was no information lost in the English version that could not be ascertained through a critical examination of the dialogue.

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Originally Posted by Pluvia

Your point is about me not knowing Japanese French or German is not relevant read the damn thread title Its called Can we get a modern English translation. Also I play on a jpn server I know enough to get by in pugs and I play with jpn players who speak english I'm telling you there is damn info left out in the damn story around the dragons.

here you go http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-Dragonspeak

Just because your precious Jpn dub doesn't match up to any of the other languages subtitles for Midgardsormr doesn't' mean anything was left out

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Ofcourse it is. Its relevant because you are commenting on both the japanese and english scripts...when you only know the english script?

And im sorry, but just how dense are you? In one example Midgartsorm says 2 very long sentences. The first one is translated into English. The english dialogue is a very accurate translation of the first sentences.
Then Midgartsorm says his second long sentences...and there is no dialogue at all in english.


Come on, just how dense can you be?

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Originally Posted by Rikkustrife

Did you play the french version? because you are completely wrong here.

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Ill take it then youve played the french, english, and japanese versions then.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

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Dont bother. I can only assume they intentionally troll. I cant believe people can be this dense.
Its like people arguing the sky is green. When you can just look outside and see that it is not.

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Originally Posted by Pluvia

Just because your precious Jpn dub doesn't match up to any of the other languages subtitles for Midgardsormr doesn't' mean anything was left out

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Btw, you dont seem to know the meaning of the word dub. Look it up, perhaps.


Altho I must admit I laughed out loud at this.
FFXIVs japanese script is far from stellar. But atleast they or the other languages dont try to rewrite it into something different, as is the case with the english localization.
I'd like to actually read the main writers original intent you know, whether its good, great, or poor writing.

That's a basic level of respect I'd expect anyone to have for the authors of a work (wether a game, or a book or a movie).



Hence why your argumentations are completely nonesense. If this were an english game and the japanese were the ones to greatly alter the dialogue, i would argue that the japanese translation team shouldnt alter as much as they do. On the other hand you would say the exact same things you do now. Because of your favoratism towards the english language/english translators.


I care about stories. I only care about the language those stories are in, to extend that im capable of reading and understanding said language. I couldnt care less what language it was in otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Ofcourse it is. Its relevant because you are commenting on both the japanese and english scripts...when you only know the english script?

And im sorry, but just how dense are you? In one example Midgartsorm says 2 very long sentences. The first one is translated into English. The english dialogue is a very accurate translation of the first sentences.
Then Midgartsorm says his second long sentences...and there is no dialogue at all in english.


Come on, just how dense can you be?

Ill take it then youve played the french, english, and japanese versions then.



Dont bother. I can only assume they intentionally troll. I cant believe people can be this dense.
Its like people arguing the sky is green. When you can just look outside and see that it is not.

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Like i said before just because people need it spoon fed to them doesn't mean the info isn't there. So let me use your words here
"Come on, just how dense can you be?"

anyways hope a mod comes and closes this soon it derailed long ago when people brought up the stupid comparison of translations

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Then Midgartsorm says his second long sentences...and there is no dialogue at all in english.

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I'm going to post two passages. I want you to tell me the difference in meaning between then.

1) It would seem some dialogue was removed from Midgardsormr. Because the dialogue was removed, we are unable to ascertain the meaning of Midgardsormr. If the dialogue had not been removed we would be able to understand it, but alas we can not because the dialogue was removed. We do not know why the dialogue was removed, for if it had not been removed the full meaning of Midgardsormr would be present and clear. But as the dialogue was removed, Midgardsormr's meaning and intent is difficult to understand.

2) Midgardsormr had some dialogue removed. We're not sure why, but we don't understand what he is saying.

Tell the class how the two above passages are different.

This discussion about Midgardsormr is interesting to me. I honestly don't think much was omitted from the original text as all the implications are already there. I think it's just the way it is interpreted that makes it confusing. Again, everything in the Japanese text can be inferred from the English text.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Ill take it then youve played the french, english, and japanese versions then.

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Just the french and english, and the dialogue is for the most part literal translations of each other, which some lines that are different, but the meaning is retained, and the Midgardsormr scene says the same thing in both, and Haurchefant's personality is the same.

The only dialect that annoys me is the lominsan pirate speech. I skimmed through all of the rogue quest line because I could not bear it. It just seems way overdone when compared with the rest.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

-- No one expects perfect 1:1 translation, but there's a difference between that and straight up removing dialogue. There is literally parts of the script being completely left for no reason at all. There is nothing stopping the team from translating it, its just cut out. As someone that understands Japanese it makes me scratch my head whenever I come across those sections.

And I'm telling you as someone who speaks both Japanese and English that a significant amount of context was left out in the English translation to the point that major plot points from that scene were not even translated. What he says in English when you first meet him barely makes any sense. So yes, parts of the script was left out. Take it as you will, but for me personally, I find the translation to english to be terrible. Being in that pirate/old english style language doesn't excuse omitting significant plot points in a script.

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Wow... That seriously blows.

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Originally Posted by UnaverageWalrus

Indubitably, mine astutely gifted acquaintance. The nature of such a game of the digital variety to have a narrative and dialogue doth seemest to be escaping the grasp of the OP's rationale.

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Umm, not liking the the English dialogue doesn't mean we don't understand it. Now, why does this need to be explained to you? I guess many things, like common sense, just can't be learned from books. English lit mayhaps?

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Originally Posted by Tanama

Wow... That seriously blows.

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Don't worry; it never actually happened.

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Originally Posted by Intaki

Don't worry; it never actually happened.

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Do you speak Japanese? I get the feeling you don't, but I do, and I'm stating what I heard with my own ears and what I read within the game. Many others who understand Japanese have said the same exact thing. There is even a post on reddit translating the entire thing and comparing the dialogue. Your entire argument is literally voided. I expect variations when a language is being translated. That cannot be helped, especially given the complexity of both the English and Japanese language, but there is a massive difference between variations made in translating compared to just not being there at all, which is very common in this game, and was blatantly obvious with Midgardsormr. Why this simple fact is so hard for you to understand is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by ScarecrowJames

I know rpers out there or others may be fine with this old school "thee" and what not but I would like if possible characters dialogue to be changeable to a more understanding English because at times it gives me a headache.

There are more things out there to be worked on and added but I really hate the current dialogue for the game for some characters. I understand the whole thats how that character talks back then or w/e but I normally find myself skipping them as to me its an eyesore for me to read.

If you're okay with it thats fine and dandy. If others have an issue with(current dialogue) it I would like an option to change the text in the menu section.

Its just a minor complaint but I just cant stand this Old style translation for some characters.

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Here ya go buddy:

http://www.oldenglishtranslator.co.uk/

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Do you speak Japanese? I get the feeling you don't, but I do, and I'm stating what I heard with my own ears and what I read within the game. Many others who understand Japanese have said the same exact thing. There is even a post on reddit translating the entire thing and comparing the dialogue. Your entire argument is literally voided. I expect variations when a language is being translated. That cannot be helped, especially given the complexity of both the English and Japanese language, but there is a massive difference between variations made in translating compared to just not being there at all, which is very common in this game, and was blatantly obvious with Midgardsormr. Why this simple fact is so hard for you to understand is beyond me.

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Holy crap! You weren't kidding! Just look at this mess:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ersus_english/

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Do you speak Japanese?

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To a degree.

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Many others who understand Japanese have said the same exact thing.

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And just as many have said the opposite. Who then is correct?

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Why this simple fact is so hard for you to understand is beyond me.

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I could ask you the same. The words were very different, but the meaning never changed.

In the end, I'm not even entirely sure what you are hoping to accomplish with your pointless tirades. The person your complaint should be directed towards, Koji Fox, is the second in command of lore development for the series beneath Oda. To suggest the changes he makes are errors born of ignorance of the source material is a rather foolish position to take.

I dislike the old text. I understand what they say, but I do not like it. I hate it, to me its bothersome to read. This is my opinion. Why must I like something that someone else likes? Can I dislike a fictional characters dialogue? Or must I say oh well these people likes how these fictional characters talk and I must accept it and go with this and deal with this dialogue without complaint? Im fine if you like it, but accept the fact I don't like it and I'd rather have just regular English as an option. How does old speak or what ever benefit me in any way? I work at a factory doing hard manual labor. Im not some desk jockey pushing papers or stocking shelves or some actor or some burger flipper. Im in a very hot factory doing hard manual labor with machinery.

(English Translated to old ye language) Thou art powerless to silence us, mortal. Yet thou shalt not live to labor in vain. Thy reprieve is at an end.


(Japanese translated to English) As Ishgard doesn't want to repent, my child and their people will not delay the retribution. The land shall burn, their people shall die, the justice will be done.

The bottom line to me sounds so much cooler and just imo more welcomed.

I hope not. The time and money needed to do two English translations is better spent elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

I hope not. The time and money needed to do two English translations is better spent elsewhere.

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where else could it be spent its not like the lore team is creating models and working directly with the coding in this game... considering how much money this game makes a month you really think they are hurting that bad they can't give 2 language options for users speaking english

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Originally Posted by Intaki

The words were very different, but the meaning never changed.

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How can they be different if they were never translated. This is what you're not getting. Its the simple fact that parts of the script were completely left out, and in some cases completely altered to the point that it doesn't even match the original. At that point you can't even call it a translation.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Do you speak Japanese? I get the feeling you don't, but I do...

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So do I, and I disagree with you.

The English translation isn't an exact, word for word, but it doesn't leave out anything important either. I get the feeling that you probably know just enough Japanese to be dangerous. The main issue I noticed with the reddit link is that whoever translated it was doing so line for line and wasn't taking into account that Japanese sentence order is reversed compared to English. A lot of the complaints about them not matching up were silly since the info was included in a different "line".

Suffice it to say, the English translation provides all the information, just expressed differently than the literal translation.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

So do I, and I disagree with you.

The English translation isn't an exact, word for word, but it doesn't leave out anything important either. I get the feeling that you probably know just enough Japanese to be dangerous. The main issue I noticed with the reddit link is that whoever translated it was doing so line for line and wasn't taking into account that Japanese sentence order is reversed compared to English. A lot of the complaints about them not matching up were silly since the info was included in a different "line".

Suffice it to say, the English translation provides all the information, just expressed differently than the literal translation.

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I lived in Japan for several years. Its safe to say I'm pretty fluent in the language. That said, no the english translation did not provide enough information. Its not even a matter of being expressed differently. The way it was translated in english isn't even coherent to the story. Thank goodness I play in Japanese audio.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

I lived in Japan for several years. Its safe to say I'm pretty fluent in the language. That said, no the english translation did not provide enough information. Its not even a matter of being expressed differently. The way it was translated in english isn't even coherent to the story. Thank goodness I play in Japanese audio.

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Living in Japan =/= gaining fluency. I live in Japan currently and have been for about a decade. I'm married to a Japanese woman as well. And I can tell you from experience that simply living here doesn't do anything to help your Japanese fluency. That only comes with active practice and study... which is easier if you're in Japan than somewhere else, certainly, but does not make it a forgone conclusion.

Measuring contest aside, you're wrong. The English translation provides all pertinent information and doesn't leave anything important out. Some things are expressed in an older style of English speech, so perhaps that's where you're getting confused? Or perhaps, like the Reddit poster, you are confused by the fact that Japanese sentence order is reversed.

"Sup Urian-bro"
"Sup, mah little Alphy. How's it going down the hood?"
"No' pretty, man. Whole blocks looking for my ass."
"With that pretty ass? I'm sure they be doin that"
"Imma take that as a compliment. Naw where's there bloody Double-U Oh El?"
"He be takin out the trash. Dumb things keep pilling up. Whatcha gonna do with em?"

"Eh. I dunno. Maybe take em to kill Garuda or something."

It fits so right in Eorzea, my man.

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Originally Posted by elemental10

"Sup Urian-bro"
"Sup, mah little Alphy. How's it going down the hood?"
"No' pretty, man. Whole blocks looking for my ass."
"With that pretty ass? I'm sure they be doin that"
"Imma take that as a compliment. Naw where's there bloody Double-U Oh El?"
"He be takin out the trash. Dumb things keep pilling up. Whatcha gonna do with em?"

"Eh. I dunno. Maybe take em to kill Garuda or something."

It fits so right in Eorzea, my man.

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your being pretty ignorant and jumping to conclusions if you are thinking anyone is asking for this

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Originally Posted by elemental10

"Sup Urian-bro"
"Sup, mah little Alphy. How's it going down the hood?"
"No' pretty, man. Whole blocks looking for my ass."
"With that pretty ass? I'm sure they be doin that"
"Imma take that as a compliment. Naw where's there bloody Double-U Oh El?"
"He be takin out the trash. Dumb things keep pilling up. Whatcha gonna do with em?"

"Eh. I dunno. Maybe take em to kill Garuda or something."

It fits so right in Eorzea, my man.

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No one said we wanted Ghetto speak although it would be hilarious but that quite possibly could come off as a bit racist Assuming thats how I or others speak. If thats how you or people around you talk then...I don't know.

As an Englishman i can say leave it how it is, enough of the American voice acting in fantasy games, English accents suit this type of game much more, Elves talking with American accents etc is just wrong imo. and OMG i can't remember which mmo it was, Archeage maybe when that knight spoke like a redneck URGH...

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Originally Posted by AdamChattaway

As an Englishman i can say leave it how it is, enough of the American voice acting in fantasy games, English accents suit this type of game much more, Elves talking with American accents etc is just wrong imo. and OMG i can't remember which mmo it was, Archeage maybe when that knight spoke like a redneck URGH...

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we are not requesting it be changed but for players that do not like the current language to have a different more simple option. this way both sides would be happy and it doesn't affect either players that are so in love with the current talk vs the players who just don't like it

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People harping on about "missing" information and completely ignoring people explaining that you actually have to think and use that big ol' brain of yours amg to get the same information that is flat out stated in the JPN client. Reading comprehension. It's a thing. I'd like to think that even the stupidest person playing FF can manage to glean from context clues this precious lost-in-translation (hah) information. But apparently not.

People complaining that the text is too hard to read. It's really not difficult to understand. I've never once had to stop and look again at what a sentence means, it's really not so different from the English we speak today. And don't pull the E2L speakers into this because I know several from many different countries of varying ages and English proficiency (yay for EU servers!) and not one of them has ever expressed an issue with the English text.

This isn't a fluency issue. It's a laziness/lack of knowledge issue. I think.
As I genuinely struggle to understand how someone can find the words used in FF difficult, it's not easy for me to see where the problem actually lies. Can one of you please explain? All I'm seeing is "it gives me headaches" or "it's just annoying". Why? This is the kind of stuff an 11-year-old could read. Why is it so hard? Is it because you don't see it all the time? You have to understand that by asking for this you're coming across as stupid, lazy or both. You'll likely get more positive reactions if you can actually explain why you think this is necessary without just saying you think the text sucks.

Because I don't like it. I like to relax and play a game. Just enjoy the story how I want it to be told, how it was told in its original way because of years of gaming and life I never needed to use this language other than a few years in school that I Dreaded. Never liked shakes spear or any of the old talk, it bored me and I'd rather have the story straight out told me instead of Old ye English. My reason is its boring. Not everyone will like what someone else will like whats so hard to understand about that? We all have different view. We all see things different and read them different and what we prefer to. Is that wrong? I have said numerous times and its kinda pretty easy to catch up on...I just don't like this type of English. If you do more power to you. i work 60 hrs a week and I just want to be able to relax and enjoy my games preferably how I normally do.

I also dislike talking to customer service when they have a very bad accent. Nothing against that person. I will normally bear with that individual as more than likely I won't need to talk to them any time soon but in a game, reading a Language to me is about the same way as an over seas Customer Service help line. Something I just don't want to deal with.

Stories don't need to be in a different dialect or foreign language, to require you to think. Normally a well told Plot Can be all you need.

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Originally Posted by Rynia

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People complaining that the text is too hard to read. It's really not difficult to understand. I've never once had to stop and look again at what a sentence means,
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this is completely your opinion, please stop telling other people what isn't hard for you to understand/read isn't hard for others Completely your opinion and you don't speak for everyone


"i can do it so everyone else must be able to do it" this is basically what you are saying and this is so messed up and ignorant

once again we are not complaining to get it removed or changed, we are simply asking for something granted that we aren't expecting this to be done in "now" but obviously over time that would allow us to switch over to a different dialect and you can still use your same speak.

from what I see right now is the only ones against us having another option is the people wanting to dictate how we read the text in the game?

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Its the simple fact that parts of the script were completely left out, and in some cases completely altered to the point that it doesn't even match the original.

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Everything in the Japanese script can be inferred from the English script. That reddit post has inconsistencies because of the way the post was arranged. People just complained about it because they didn't really give a look through and just stared at two different scripts that were arranged differently.

http://puu.sh/iybSq/7a3e81067b.png

http://puu.sh/iybTD/7310600a02.png

Same text; different lines. :p

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Originally Posted by Zeirnaton

once again we are not complaining to get it removed or changed, we are simply asking for something granted that we aren't expecting this to be done in "now" but obviously over time that would allow us to switch over to a different dialect and you can still use your same speak.

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I think they're tying to tell you to make an example of this "normal english" that you speak of.

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Originally Posted by AdamFyi

Everything in the Japanese script can be inferred from the English script. That reddit post has inconsistencies because of the way the post was arranged. People just complained about it because they didn't really give a look through and just stared at two different scripts that were arranged differently.

http://puu.sh/iybSq/7a3e81067b.png

http://puu.sh/iybTD/7310600a02.png

Same text; different lines. :p

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I think they're tying to tell you to make an example of this "normal english" that you speak of.

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You mean the English we normally speak in every day life?

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Originally Posted by ScarecrowJames

You mean the English we normally speak in every day life?

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There are a lot of different kinds. What they're telling you is to change the script and present it to the discussion. Something like what this guy did, but your own version of how they would say it. Nobody seems to have done it, so it would be wise to make a script of your own.

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Originally Posted by Zeirnaton

go do the hildebrandt quest if you haven't this can be used as an example, the text in the hildebrant story is no where as influenced by the old ye de english speak, which I would be fine with having

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Not against having options, but if you would be so kind as to actually translate the Midgardsormr speech into the Hildibrand speech, that would be lovely. I don't have access to the game at the moment. To reiterate, they're telling you to change the script the way you want it to be seen and post it here so that we have an example to go on rather then being told to look at something else.

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I think they're tying to tell you to make an example of this "normal english" that you speak of.

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go do the hildebrandt quest if you haven't this can be used as an example, the text in the hildebrant story is no where as influenced by the old ye de english speak, which I would be fine with having something like the hildebrandt

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Gaah.
It's very hard to discuss this with you when you take everything said as a personal attack. But I don't blame you when there are others who are attacking you, so I'll try again.

The text in this game is something a pre-teen could understand, thus not difficult. That is literally all I said. It is hard for me to grasp how it can be "difficult", that is indeed an opinion. Which is why I asked for an explanation because I'd like to understand ...

I get that you don't want it removed or changed. I do. I'm just failing to see a compelling argument as to why this second translation should be put in. Even in the OP's responses, all I see is "It's boring and I don't like it, please add in this thing because I work so hard I want games to be easy." Which is fine as a complaint, I get just wanting to chill out and relax after work, but it really isn't a good reason for the dev team to dumb down the entire text of the game.


If it was a proper bar to understanding for many people, then yes. Certainly, add in an extra. But as it stands, I'd say about 90% and upwards of players can understand it just fine, and sadly I doubt SE is going to put that many hours into something because a subsection of the playerbase don't like the way characters speak =/

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Originally Posted by Zeirnaton

from what I see right now is the only ones against us having another option is the people wanting to dictate how we read the text in the game?

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Also, stop. Nobody is "dictating" anything. This is literally the way the text is in the game, so by the logic of this sentence the game itself is dictating how you read it. Now do you see how stupid it sounds to say this?

When the text is translated from Japanese to English its..completely different most of the time. In fact a Dev mentioned this. It was posted somewhere on this thread because this is how the English devs felt it should say for the English Player base. They felt it would be better and more immersible world if they did this, when the Japanese version...didn't need to do this. There are plenty of players on this thread complaining about it. There are also plenty of players skipping CS because...They also don't like the story or how its told. Its very commonly been brought up on the forums "shame the CS skippers"

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Originally Posted by ScarecrowJames

When the text is translated from Japanese to English its..completely different most of the time. In fact a Dev mentioned this. It was posted somewhere on this thread because this is how the English devs felt it should say for the English Player base. They felt it would be better and more immersible world if they did this, when the Japanese version...didn't need to do this. There are plenty of players on this thread complaining about it. There are also plenty of players skipping CS because...They also don't like the story or how its told. Its very commonly been brought up on the forums "shame the CS skippers"

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They've also stated that the English script is written at the same time, or before the Japanese script. It's not so much a translation as it is two people telling the same story at the same time in different languages.

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Originally Posted by Rynia

Gaah.

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well forgive me for being defensive but when 10 ppl come on here flaming you saying your stupid because you can't comprehend something that theres no reason to add an extra option then it certainly looks like they are very much against it.

as for the guy above I can't translate what the dragons says because I'm completely dumbfounded by it I can only understand garbles of the message. not to mention how over bearing some of the npcs like the rogues can be

also just as a note ninjas using old speak whats next a samurai talking like some old wizard?

The way I see it is most of the "olde" English used is cliched words like "thou" and "wouldst" that most native speakers can figure out with no effort.
Lesser known words like "twixt" and "forefend", for example, can almost always be inferred based on context.
If all else fails, dictionaries and google exist if there's any particular word you're really stumped on.

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Originally Posted by Zeirnaton

as for the guy above I can't translate what the dragons says because I'm completely dumbfounded by it I can only understand garbles of the message. not to mention how over bearing some of the npcs like the rogues can be.

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The text isn't really that hard to interpret, but I guess I can't say that for everyone; especially since English is a second language to me. I'll give it a shot, but honestly, I really prefer if they don't waste resources on this. An option would be nice, but as it is, I would prefer they don't. Apologies in advance if I get anything wrong.

"By Her blessings, you have bested me. You have earned my ears, mortal. Speak, and I shall listen to your plight."
<Player speaks to Midgardsormr>
"Guided by a star...? Heh heh heh. My kin will see to Ishgard's destruction. Ishgard shall burn."
<Player looks agitated>
"The people of Ishgard must pay for the deeds of their ancestors. We shall not forgive, nor will we forget."
<Player shakes his head in disagreement>
"My seven children, one of which has already heard the call to retribution, cannot be stopped."
"I awaken to answer the call to war."
"You are powerless to silence us, mortal. However, fear not, your life shall be put to better use as a pawn. Your time is up."
<Blessing of Light protects the player>
"Hmph. Hydaelyn's blessing protects you from my thrall. This frail, ignoble creature is not only gifted, but also chosen."
"Hear me, Hydaelyn! I remember... and I consent."
<The light fades away>
"Do not be afraid, mortal... what I am about to do, by no means, has naught any intention to harm you."
<Midgardsormr dispels the Blessing of Light>
"Heh heh heh. Do you think me as an oathbreaker?"
"You are sorely mistaken. Should you come to harm, it is by another's hand, not mine."
"I have only stripped you of Hydaelyn's feeble blessing. You did gain much from Her grace, but no more."
<Mini-me Midgardsormr pops up>
"The covenant binds me to you. I shall watch... listen... and wait. Fight and struggle, if it is your wish."
"Man has always coveted things that lie beyond his grasp. You, mortal, are no exception."
"I take much from Her to sustain myself until I can find another anew. When the time comes, those who repent for their sins will be spared."
"The Dragonsong heralds a beginning... and an end."

I don't know if this is similar to what you are looking for since you did not give me anything to go on with what you wanted. Some examples would have been nice while I was typing this out. Though, can't say I didn't try. :p

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

Living in Japan =/= gaining fluency. I live in Japan currently and have been for about a decade. I'm married to a Japanese woman as well. And I can tell you from experience that simply living here doesn't do anything to help your Japanese fluency. That only comes with active practice and study... which is easier if you're in Japan than somewhere else, certainly, but does not make it a forgone conclusion.

Measuring contest aside, you're wrong. The English translation provides all pertinent information and doesn't leave anything important out. Some things are expressed in an older style of English speech, so perhaps that's where you're getting confused? Or perhaps, like the Reddit poster, you are confused by the fact that Japanese sentence order is reversed.

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I'm sorry, but ill be kind and assume you did not read the reddit example.


Because if you had and you still responded in this way, I would have to assume your claim of being very good at Japanese to be a blatant lie. If you look at the sentences you will see that the translator did not translate single sentences. He translated each segment of the dialogue that corresponded to a single ''composed sentence''.
In other words each segment directly equates to the piece of English dialogue it is being compared to.

Something this basic cant be overlooked by someone that is fluent in both Japanese and English. Or someone that is fluent in English, considering that is all you need to understand the reddit translation.

I guess I know that people lie on the internet, but I suppose I'm too native to actually expect it.
As such, may I ask you to read the reddit link again? I'm sure you just skimmed it or something, and missed this due to that.

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Or perhaps, like the Reddit poster, you are confused by the fact that Japanese sentence order is reversed.

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Originally Posted by AdamChattaway

As an Englishman i can say leave it how it is, enough of the American voice acting in fantasy games, English accents suit this type of game much more, Elves talking with American accents etc is just wrong imo.

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I wasnt aware that elves in folklore were british.

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Originally Posted by Rynia

This isn't a fluency issue. It's a laziness/lack of knowledge issue. I think.

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I agree. The laziness to read the thread and understand that the arguments you use in your post have already been discussed.

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Originally Posted by AdamFyi

http://puu.sh/iybSq/7a3e81067b.png

http://puu.sh/iybTD/7310600a02.png

Same text; different lines. :p

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I guess you did not bother to actually read the reddit entry, instead of skimming it? In japanese he mentions sealing the blessing, not removing it (as he does in english).
In your example you also conviently remove a piece of dialogue in between these 2:

English local: Thou art mistaken. If thou comest to harm, it shall be by another's hand, not mine.
Direct translation: ''Thus the light has also cast a shadow. Perhaps, even without my claw the light would grow dim one day.''

Yeah...definatly not info lost there.


Also, removes the blessing in between those 2 lines. So whats said before/after cant exactly be exchanged because of the japanese reverse order... (they are seperate sentences, not 2 pieces of a composed sentence)

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Originally Posted by Rynia

Also, stop. Nobody is "dictating" anything. This is literally the way the text is in the game, so by the logic of this sentence the game itself is dictating how you read it. Now do you see how stupid it sounds to say this?

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They kind of are. Apparently only the English translators write the dialogue in such a way. Im not sure why its needed for the English translation but not the others?

Despite several voices that say otherwise, most british dont like reading ''semi-old english'' either, not when its written like this.
Because as someone else has pointed out, the way that it used doesnt exactly show a great skill at writting dialogue.

I have no idea why they decided to change the English translation team from 1.0 to 2.0, as the dialogue was one of the few things they did right in 1.0

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

They've also stated that the English script is written at the same time, or before the Japanese script. It's not so much a translation as it is two people telling the same story at the same time in different languages.

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An entire games worth of dialogue being written at the same time in 4 different languages?
I'm sorry but do you have any clue at all? (not ment as an insult, im honestly wondering)
Any idea how much time this would take compared to one ''original'' (written in brackets since this seems to be a taboo word in these kind of threads) and 3 translations of that "original"?
Once you do know, I think youll understand why your hypothesis is nonesensical.

Lol no... just no.