#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

There are certain design paradoxes that make it neccesary that the goal or the design shifts.
You cant have a Healer Design that just focuses on healing while there is no need for that, while also being there for failstates when they dont want to have them.
We are not even allowed to be the dominant Supporter otherwise we would have a arsenal of goodies and tools for diverse buffs, debuffs, control and what ever.

When Healers are not suppose to have much damage options which in itself isnt that bad ,even when it makes it more monotone in MSQ stuff, but then there need to be something different for us to do besides the mini DPS.

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Originally Posted by itsnep

sure, if the boss is at full or even half health and the healer dies i don't expect the rest of the team to solo it, but as a tank i should be given enough sustain to be able to finish the fight after a certain threshold is met. dark knight gets virtually nothing but mitigation, and it even has less than other tanks. it's incredibly frustrating to get through a tough bout only for the healer to die close enough to the end but still a little too early to reliably finish off a boss, even more so if they can't get a grasp on the mechanics after dying to them multiple times. do you think if your white mage dies in a classic final fantasy title you shouldn't be able to beat the boss there either? to that extent phoenix downs should be usable in combat. genuinely has always frustrated me that they are in the game yet ridiculously limited despite being such an iconic part of the series.

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Yup, I agree with you about this ! ^_^
As long as each player is limited to one phoenix down in his bag and/or it has a cast time, I don't think it would be overpowered.

In my opinion, there is a quite big flaw in FFXIV boss-design from the very beginning : the fact that only healers can rez (almost) combined with one-shot mecanics everywhere.
Because of this, we can regularly see two opposite scenarios, but none of them is good :

Case number 1 : if the healer dies, the team dies.
Like I said before, this scenario is very frustrating for DPS and tanks if the healer dies on a one-shot mecanic, because they have to accept the fight must start over, even if they did nothing wrong. They just couldn't do anything to save their healer and they can't rez him/her either.

Case number 2 : the team can survive without the healer (that's what we see now when the tank is a paladin or a warrior).
This time, it's very frustrating for the healer, because he/she loses his/her role, and in addition to this he/she must accept to purely stop playing and miss the fight entirely if he/she ever dies. The team will just continue the fight whitout him/her (because they can !), plus they can't rez him/her.

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Originally Posted by Grann-Goro

Yes it should (except of course if the death of the healer happens when the ennemy is almost dead). That's why the healer is here in the first place. He/she is the lung of the team. He/she provides the vital oxygen.
However the other party members should be able to do more in order to prevent the healer from dying when he/she is in danger. The healer isn't supposed to bear the life of the team alone.
That's why "one-shot mecanics" are not really good in my opinion... It's too stressful for the healer, and by extend the whole team who has to pray for the healer to survive.

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And if I have to protect the healer more diligently, Cover serves a purpose again. My power fantasy when I play tank is to protect. I fully support this. As a tank, I want to protect the healer, too.

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Originally Posted by Ryaduera

And if I have to protect the healer more diligently, Cover serves a purpose again. My power fantasy when I play tank is to protect. I fully support this. As a tank, I want to protect the healer, too.

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I agree that "Cover" is one of the coolest tool, but sadly we almost never have the opportunity to use it.

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Originally Posted by Grann-Goro

Yup, I agree with you about this ! ^_^
As long as each player is limited to one phoenix down in his bag and/or has a cast time, I don't think it would be overpowered.

In my opinion, there is a quite big flaw in FFXIV boss-design from the very beginning : the fact that only healers can rez (almost) combined with one-shot mecanics everywhere.
Because of this, we can regularly see two opposite scenarios, but none of them is good :

Case number 1 : if the healer dies, the team dies.
Like I said before, the scenario is very frustrating for DPS and tanks if the healer dies on a one-shot mecanic, because they have to accept the fight must start over, even if they did nothing wrong. They just couldn't do nothing to save their healer and they can't rez him/her either.

Case number 2 : the team can survive without the healer (that's what we see now when the tank is a paladin or a warrior).
This time, it's very frustrating for the healer, because he/she loses his/her role, and in addition to this he/she must accept to purely stop playing and miss the fight entirely if he/she ever dies on a one-shot mecanic. The team will just continue the fight whitout him/her (because they can !), plus they can't rez him/her.

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that's entirely fair. maybe turn the down into a one-use key item per duty.

i definitely get the healer perspective, and i didn't realize it was as bad as it was until skimming through this thread. i've really only played the classes at lower levels (60 max). my experience as a tank is mostly as a dark knight so i am used to needing my support to be on top of things, and figured the only difference between jobs was that the healer had a slightly easier workload.

my fear now is that what little bit of regen i got this expac will be taken away lol.

I don't think the strike is working as people think it is. While true there are longer queue times, that can also just dismissed by the fact its double dps jobs for this expansion. After all, it was a known issue back in the day of long queue times with Stormblood where healers and tanks were playing the new, at the time, dps jobs of Red Mage and Samurai.

That it can honestly be chalked up to as a coincidence for long queue times.

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Originally Posted by aiqa

The intent of the strike is to get attention for the complaints healers have had for years. It already worked.

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oh youve received attention alright, something you also complained about on a sub thread. how you felt the streamers made fun of you and didnt fairly represent you. thats the attention you recieved. just read xenosys and zeplas comments sections. mr happy called it a joke. cole said he couldn't take it seriously. you received plenty attention. but 0 support from any large backer

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There is 0 chance the devs are unaware of the strike

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if a chance is 0 its no longer a chance its a guarantee. what you're saying is that you can categorically guarantee me that the devs have seen your strike. until yoshiP confirms he has seen this, im afraid that is NOT something you can do.

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We have no further influence on what the devs will do. And that is fine.

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if its fine then why are you bothering. when yoshiP says nothing is changing will it be fine then?

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We have no way or intent to force other players to stop playing a role they still enjoy. And that is fine.

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because you say WE here, i am going to hold you accountable for the rest of this little movements actions. you have attacked and made fools of the people who do not support the strike. argued in bad faith and vitriol. which you can find examples on all over this and other related threads.

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And I am very sure that people giving feedback about healers aren't trying to adhere to your opinions about when it's worth giving feedback, or how they should give that feedback

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except these are not MY opinions. these are yoshidas words himself. remember the mandervil relics? he decided that they were good for the game because the number of players getting the achievements was high. did he care about the counter argument. no. he continued to release more and more tomestone relic Stages

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You (and other people trying do to the same) are a useful vehicle to keep the thread visible, but that is about all you are to me.

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okay griffith.

if you really wanted to send yoshi P a message youd have rallied for nobody to play the job even to level it. but of course then u cant walk around or afk with your pretty glams or help your fc mates. and when savages come back into cycle i think suddenly you'll fall completely silent on this topic

all the more reason to expand visibility so people know why their queues are so bad:
https://i.imgur.com/VHskp6n.png

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

*Waving their arms in all directions, writing meaningless things to attract attention.*

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Let's use something I found somewhere else : "This argument is over now. If this is all that remains of the substance then I'm finished engaging with you. In the end this is exactly how I knew this would go."

Thanks for the up I guess.

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Originally Posted by Hellebore_Ghrian

Let's use something I found somewhere else : "This argument is over now. If this is all that remains of the substance then I'm finished engaging with you. In the end this is exactly how I knew this would go."

Thanks for the up I guess.

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unrelated out of context quote followed by complete misrepresentation, only proves ive hit you exactly where it hurts and shattered you false perception of control.
also are we so desperate for bumps that well ignore ones given out in criticism because any publicity is good publicity?

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

the way you represent me only proves that ive hit you where it hurts. and we never engaged. i dont even know who u are bro

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Nice so you don't even look at who you answer when you write, it's getting better and better.

It's oh so funny when people come in and claim that the people participating in the strike are desperate.

Especially when the people opposing the strike feel the need to come in here everyday trying to convince everyone that the strike is dead.

I wonder who's the desperate one here? :)

Yesterday the party tank (paladin) solo'd a dungeon boss because the healer died. It was a mid-expansion dawntrail dungeon. Most tanks are still too strong (I think DRK is more where the tank sustain should be). I asked the Paladin to wipe so that we could beat the boss together but they refused. Sometimes it really feels like this game was made for tanks to solo and everyone else doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by itsnep

my fear now is that what little bit of regen i got this expac will be taken away lol.

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I very much doubt a DRK is at risk of that.

The most egregious example of tank sustain is WAR. Just as a fun excersize lets see what it gets.

Bloodwhetting/Nascent Flash = 400 potency per target hit with a GCD attack for 8s, 20s cooldown
Equilibrium = ogcd 1200 potency heal + 200 potency 15s HoT, 60s cooldown
Shake It Off = ogcd AoE shield with the strength 15% of your max health + 300 potency heal + 100 potency 15s HoT, 90s cooldown
Damnation = 400! potency HoT for 15s, 120 cooldown

Optimally (assuming 8 targets, so not reaaaaally optimally) a WAR does selfhealing of (400*4*8)/20 + (1200+200*5)/60 + (300 + 100*5)/90 + (400*5)/120 = 702 ogcd healing potency per second.
Against 1 target that would be (400*4)/20 + (1200+200*5)/60 + (300 + 100*5)/90 + (400*5)/120 = 142 ogcd heal potency per second.
Against 1 target while also healing a team of 3 other players (400*4*2)/20 + (1200+200*5)/60 + ((300 + 100*5)*4)/90 + (400*5)/120 = 248 ogcd healing potency per second.

Then lets compare to WHM ogcd (including lilly heals) heals.

Single target
Afflatus Solace = 800 potency, 20s cooldown
Asylum = 100 potecy HoT for 24s, 90s cooldown
Assize = 400 potency, 40s cooldown
Tetragrammaton = 700 potency, 60s cooldown
Liturgy of the Bell = 400 potency, 5 stacks (at most), 180s cooldown
Divine Caress = 200 potency HoT for 15 seconds, 120s cooldown
Benedition = is difficult to express in potencies. Lets say... 2000? I think that is fair, 180s cooldown
800/20 + (100 * 8)/90 + 400/40 + 700/60 + (400*5)/180 + (200 * 5)/120 + 2000/180 = 101 ogcd healing potency per second. Healers get a 30% healing potency bonus, so that is 131.

For AoE healing Plenary Indulgence makes it all a bit tricky. Ideally AoE healing will be affected by Plenary Indulgence 3 times per minute, but that is very unlikely. So lets set that to 2 times, which is already generous.
And Afflatus Solace will be replaced by Afflatus Rapture
Afflatus Rapture = 400 potency, 20s cooldown
Plenary Indulgence = 200 potency bonus heal, per Afflatus Rapture, 60s cooldown
(400/20)*4 + ((100 * 8)/90)*4 + (400/40) *4 + 700/60 + ((400*5)/180) *4 + ((200 * 5)/120) *4 + 2000/180 + ((200*2)/60) *4 = 282 potency per second. Or 367 when including the healer bonus trait.

This is all very static. There is more to playing the jobs then just looking at potencies. And I ignored the shields that both WAR and WHM get. But it does clearly show that WAR ogcd heals are in the same ballpark as WHM single target ogcd heals. And far eclipse WHM ogcd heals when fighting groups of enemies. This is clearly a broken design. There is no way to balance this properly through content changes in casual content. In savage/ultimate you could get away with requiring AoE healing near the theoretical limits to still require healers.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

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A lot of points here and, while I have posted and supported the Healer Strike, I can tell you that there has been both support AND discourse from the birth of this strike. I think the thing that has happened from it that is a good thing is discussions of jobs, roles, and the direction of the gameplay. So in this sense, just talking about things does some good.

As far is the guarrantee vs. "0 chance", I think you are arguing semantics here but I will oblige. No, from the realist standpoint we have no confirmation that the devs has seen the strike but we also have more reason to believe then not that they have seen it based on information from the devs in the past. i.e devs telling us they check streams/forums.

We are also saying that we aren't trying to blow the game up. We aren't trying to quit over a specific part of the game we love. We WANT to have fun with healers, we WANT to but I have been falling asleep as a healer waaaay more then even being a gatherer and I feel like that is an issue. So no, we do not have control over devs actions and that is ok. If they change things awesome, if not then that is ok.

Wait, I have been using "we" a lot....am I a spokesperson now?? Yay~~ That was easy~~ In seriousness, I do wish the bad faith and vitrol would disappear from BOTH sides. I think debates are good and healthy, but I have seen it across the board so lets not play the blame game.

regarding the manderville relics, I am not sure I know what is being entirely talked about here, but didn't Yoshida say himself that he regrets making things as easy and accessible or was I just mishearing things? Regardless, I will be curious to see what they do with relics in Dawntrail I do hope it isn't another manderville (side tangent here haha)

And I mean, I they do have a small point but at the same time, I think actively encouraging open talks is good.

That is a good tip though for a strike that would actually disrupt gameplay and cause people to question things. But that's not the goal, we don't want to hurt other peoples games we just want to play something fun.

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Originally Posted by LyraShu

That is a good tip though for a strike that would actually disrupt gameplay and cause people to question things. But that's not the goal, we don't want to hurt other peoples games we just want to play something fun.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

it is allowed to do group content with friends. we are just not joining any roulettes with randoms generally.

does it surprise you that people that play healers have friends that we can group with? of course it does

there are, as someone has said, trusts we can use. while it may not be as "fast and efficient" as you like, healers are rather used to that due to the gameplay of healers.

nice try but not good enough.

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then what about this? sounds like a very blatant attempt to disrupt the ques for others. and no i not talking about just quing with friends. it obvious they meant it maliciously else why mention it at all. also if you have <3 friends you ARE joining with randos. so again this strike is effectively useless


due to reaching post limit ill reply here.

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Originally Posted by Wildheaven182

2 dps expansion did the job for us, blame squex for the disruption.

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i never once thought healers were behind the 41 long ques im getting for roulettes

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Originally Posted by Wildheaven182

Also who cares about other people's queues? I dont care if you have to wait ten seconds longer, im not enjoying healer ao im not gonna play healer anymore. I dont owe you my time so that you can enjoy a game while im bored, and if that disrupts your precious queue (how dare) then tough *****.

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again its this same attitude. its just rude and unnecessary. its like you think we all owe you something so its okay to target the rest of us for your grievances with SE. nobody is saying omg your ruining my ques, nobodys asking you to play your job, if your not happy on it, go ahead stop playing. but theres no need for this song and dance. just say u dont enjoy it and go play something you do enjoy. SE will get the message significantly faster that way than whatever this strike is meant to be

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Originally Posted by Local_Custard

Yesterday the party tank (paladin) solo'd a dungeon boss because the healer died. It was a mid-expansion dawntrail dungeon. Most tanks are still too strong (I think DRK is more where the tank sustain should be). I asked the Paladin to wipe so that we could beat the boss together but they refused. Sometimes it really feels like this game was made for tanks to solo and everyone else doesn't matter.

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Yeah this seems the norm and its not fun to stand around for 10 minutes while one person plays the game by themselves, forcing the rest to sit and wait for them.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

then what about this? sounds like a very blatant attempt to disrupt the ques for others

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This player healer strike is nothing compared to square enix's own healer strike. They refuse to make any new jobs other than dps in the future, they say.
2 dps expansion did the job for us, blame squex for the disruption.

Also who cares about other people's queues? I dont care if you have to wait ten seconds longer, im not enjoying healer ao im not gonna play healer anymore. I dont owe you my time so that you can enjoy a game while im bored, and if that disrupts your precious queue (how dare) then tough shite.

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Originally Posted by Wildheaven182

Yeah this seems the norm and its not fun to stand around for 10 minutes while one person plays the game by themselves, forcing the rest to sit and wait for them.

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One possible way to fix it is if dungeon bosses gain a stack of a buff whenever someone is dead. The buff does absolutely nothing, but when they get 3 stacks, the boss goes berserk and gains maximum movement speed, stops doing mechanics and starts autoattacking for 300% damage.

That way, a tank can still salvage a pull when the healer dies, but if they let everyone else die, they get punished with a much, much harder to survive fight. That should put a stop to tanks wasting 10 minutes soloing a boss from 80%.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

then what about this? sounds like a very blatant attempt to disrupt the ques for others

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These are two different people with two different goals. Also, the only thing that will ultimately draw the devs eye is if the number of healer players drops in general. If these people don't want to play healers in their current state, they need to... not play then in their current state.. And that will disrupt things in the long run. I'm reminded of Heavensward era tank playerbase being so small its what warranted all tanks being reworked to the way we are in our current state. I'd like to see stance dancing make a return, but as long as people are playing tanks it won't change. That's how it will go for healers, too. Only when the healer population is diminished to a small enough percentage of overall players will anything actually happen. So if healers are to be rare, you will see disrupted que times regardless of organization

That said, reworking 4 jobs from a mechanical level without changing the current encounter design and design of past encounters is a monumental task. I wouldn't expect anything to come of this for at minimum another expansion, if anything at all.

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Originally Posted by Wildheaven182

Yeah this seems the norm and its not fun to stand around for 10 minutes while one person plays the game by themselves, forcing the rest to sit and wait for them.

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Yeah. I at least got some tanks this expansion that had the courtesy of wiping when everyone else was dead. It is frustrating when I see the tank not only mess up as much as everyone else but be allowed to live anyways while everyone else dies. Mistakes are okay, in fact they are good for learning. However, it shouldn't be excusable for tanks being allowed to solo a boss while everyone else is on the ground. Especially when everyone else is forced to watch for the next 5 or more minutes.

Honestly, I was very tempted to abandon the dungeon because it was just super frustrating (I decided to not leave because no one was being rude in chat or purposely killing people in the party).

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

then what about this? sounds like a very blatant attempt to disrupt the ques for others

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I am confused with this quote. After research, this looks like it was started with you mentioning how you saw Healers out in the field (50 of them?) and then people were mentioning what was proposed on page 1 of the strike. Again, we aren't trying to disrupt your gameplay and the mention of trusts should help alleviate that because you are able to still progress through the MSQ, just like us.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

then what about this? sounds like a very blatant attempt to disrupt the ques for others

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No it isn't. They are deciding to play a role they might not really enjoy most of the time to help a friend, and decide against playing that role to help random people. The intent isn't to disrupt, the intent is to prioratize fun while playing a computer game. Any disruptionn is just a potential consequence which they are in no way responsible for in any way.

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Originally Posted by Local_Custard

Yesterday the party tank (paladin) solo'd a dungeon boss because the healer died. It was a mid-expansion dawntrail dungeon. Most tanks are still too strong (I think DRK is more where the tank sustain should be). I asked the Paladin to wipe so that we could beat the boss together but they refused. Sometimes it really feels like this game was made for tanks to solo and everyone else doesn't matter.

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This is my issue with tank sustain right now, it's too strong and boss damage is too low. Tanks shouldn't be allowed to hold the party hostage for 5-10 mins while they slowly whittle down a boss from 70% to 0, especially when they can just... easily eat a stack marker without using an invuln

Watching a tank solo a boss while everyone is dead is seriously a "Why am I even here?" moment since obviously the tank can just solo queue into a dungeon and solo it in its entirety, why would they even need the other party members except to make the clear times fasteR?

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

This is my issue with tank sustain right now, it's too strong and boss damage is too low. Tanks shouldn't be allowed to hold the party hostage for 5-10 mins while they slowly whittle down a boss from 70% to 0, especially when they can just... easily eat a stack marker without using an invuln

Watching a tank solo a boss while everyone is dead is seriously a "Why am I even here?" moment since obviously the tank can just solo queue into a dungeon and solo it in its entirety, why would they even need the other party members except to make the clear times fasteR?

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Like I said
this game feels like it was made for tanks to solo. This might as well be a solo game if tank sustain keeps increasing.
I play bard because I like how it has some interaction with the party (as minor as it is) and is easy to have uptime on. I like party play. It is disheartening with how eroded it is.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

then what about this? sounds like a very blatant attempt to disrupt the ques for others

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What "blatant attempt to disrupt queues "? The first person you quoted is clearly stating that this is not the goal, the second person is going to group with friends or use trusts. Are you saying that in an MMO, that a person shouldn't be encouraged to group with friends? That should go over well! That hardly leads to a poor game experience for their friends, either, I would hope.

Nor should anyone be told not to use trusts if they want to.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

This is my issue with tank sustain right now, it's too strong and boss damage is too low. Tanks shouldn't be allowed to hold the party hostage for 5-10 mins while they slowly whittle down a boss from 70% to 0, especially when they can just... easily eat a stack marker without using an invuln

Watching a tank solo a boss while everyone is dead is seriously a "Why am I even here?" moment since obviously the tank can just solo queue into a dungeon and solo it in its entirety, why would they even need the other party members except to make the clear times fasteR?

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The icing on the cake is if the tank makes it seem difficult- it can be in some cases, in some cases, it isn't. It's more tedious to kill solo as a tank (if I can do it, then there's hope for anyone;)) , and it's definitely faster with the group up, and more fun.

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Originally Posted by Local_Custard

Like I said
this game feels like it was made for tanks to solo. This might as well be a solo game if tank sustain keeps increasing.
I play bard because I like how it has some interaction with the party (as minor as it is) and is easy to have uptime on. I like party play. It is disheartening with how eroded it is.

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So I only really play tank, and I get this whole heartedly. I wish tanks actually did significantly less damage so that even DPS were needed. Damage is so important in this game that it's like there's Green DPS meant to do some damage but also heal once every 16 hours, blue DPS meant to execute a different set of mechanics and do average damage, and red DPS meant to avoid taking damage and deal biggest damage. Maybe this is a hot take, but FFXIV Doesn't really use the holy trinity anymore. As a tank player I'm just a DPS capable of soloing things, and I don't really like that, my power fantasy is to protect, not to slaughter, save that for the actual DPS players, but instead tank damage is so high we don't need DPS for anything outside of savage raids and higher. I want healers to be needed for the party, but I want healers to need me for my protections, and I want to need the DPS for their... well, damage. That's what the Holy Trinity design was originally intended for at least. I picked up the shield before I picked up the sword, it would be nice if the game felt this way again. I always wipe the first 2 times the party dies. If it happens a third time, though, I just want to get out... It's just common courtesy to let them play the game, or go play a single player game.

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Originally Posted by Fuzzout

- I agree a more involved rotation should be added, HOWEVER - it CANNOT be on par with DPS, not even slightly. It also cannot be on par with tanks due to the nature of healers as a whole. As a DPS you have your eyes glued to cooldowns and job gauge (until you drill the fight into your system and your GCD's are basically set in stone for the entire fight) - this doesn't work with healers as there's damage variance, mistakes and general inconsistency when doing content in DF/PF setting.

So I'd say something akin to a tank-like rotation (without more button bloat, please and thank.)

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You can build a mini-DPS rotation for WHM using the job’s current DPS kit. And all without adding any new DPS actions.

Shorten Dia’s DoT timer to 12 or 15 seconds

Shorten PoM’s CD to 60 seconds

Separate Glare IV from PoM and let be it’s own GCD ability with a short CD or have it proc from Dia.

Have Holy become an AoE DoT after PoM is used, making a FF staple be apart of WHM’s single target rotation.

There. A mini-dps rotation for WHM. No new actions needed.

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Originally Posted by Manamaru

So through some experience playing pictomancer and getting a feel for it, I can definitely see and say where some things could be outright copied and applied to healers.

For one, the simplified (and optionally) one button rotation for gcd damage casts. For all classes that could very easily become a core staple. The next is that finishing the rotation procs something.

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What a truly dismal thing you've made me recognize.

Square Enix could have easily given healers a rotating skill that uses our single button press to cast different but similar skills in a sequence, with different VFX, names, and potencies just like the primary filler Pictomancer attack. You'd still be pressing 11111111 to do your damage, but you would have 1) some VISUAL VARIANCE to look at for 80% of your button presses for the first time since 2019, and 2) there would be room for at least a tiny bit of skill expression, whereas 3) if you don't care about that you can still heal the party and do damage successfully exactly the same as you can now. Everyone wins.

At this point, even that, even without the procs Pictomancer enjoys, would be such a massive improvement to the stale visuals and gameplay of the healer jobs. But no, not even that much for the healers.

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Originally Posted by MAD_ARCHITECT

What a truly dismal thing you've made me recognize.

Square Enix could have easily given healers a rotating skill that uses our single button press to cast different but similar skills in a sequence, with different VFX, names, and potencies just like the primary filler Pictomancer attack. You'd still be pressing 11111111 to do your damage, but you would have 1) some VISUAL VARIANCE to look at for 80% of your button presses for the first time since 2019, and 2) there would be room for at least a tiny bit of skill expression, whereas 3) if you don't care about that you can still heal the party and do damage successfully exactly the same as you can now. Everyone wins.

At this point, even that, even without the procs Pictomancer enjoys, would be such a massive improvement to the stale visuals and gameplay of the healer jobs. But no, not even that much for the healers.

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Even something simple like "Your 1 spam generates job gauge for an instant GCD cast" would add a lot to skill expression since you could at least plan your movements around your job gauge levels and further optimize that way.

Hell, they could literally just give us a mini-summoner rotation that comes off CD every 30s, one nuke into instacast GCD with OGCD skill to weave between casts, give it two charges so you don't have to pop it immediately and you can pick times where outgoing damage is low to use it.

All we really need is *something* to look at other than our 1 button nuke

Genuinely, just make my current buttons do more.
I actually sneak in auto attacks during ARR content as SCH/SMN just to feel something. I'm still sad they scale off the further into the game you go until they literally do nothing.

This entire fourm is kind of pointless. just play other classes if you hate what you saw in the mediatour. and now dawntrail is out just play different classes if ya'll not happy with how healers are atm.
Personally this strike makes me just wanna level a healer job and just do try to do everything i have unlocked.

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Originally Posted by RyuezaneWithersoul

This entire fourm is kind of pointless. just play other classes if you hate what you saw in the mediatour. and now dawntrail is out just play different classes if ya'll not happy with how healers are atm.
Personally this strike makes me just wanna level a healer job and just do try to do everything i have unlocked.

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The game/devs are explicitly asking people to post their feedback on the this forum. The healerstrike is just a firm feedback. That feedback isn't for you to act on. I am very sure that people giving the feedback aren't trying to adhere to your opinions about when it's worth giving feedback. If there is anything in these feedback threads that is pointless, it's discussions about the validity of feedback on the forums.

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Originally Posted by RyuezaneWithersoul

This entire fourm is kind of pointless. just play other classes if you hate what you saw in the mediatour. and now dawntrail is out just play different classes if ya'll not happy with how healers are atm.
Personally this strike makes me just wanna level a healer job and just do try to do everything i have unlocked.

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Playing other jobs for DT is actually what we do, this thread is here to tell SE why and highlight over 5 years of ignored feedbacks (this part is already a success with the noise it has made).

If you want to play a healer, go ahead, no one's stopping you - on the contrary, it might help you understand why we're on strike, or maybe help you discover a new vocation.

Convincing others to try out healers, see how they play and form their own opinions on the subject is also a point of the strike.

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The game/devs are explicitly asking people to post their feedback on the this forum. The healerstrike is just a firm feedback. That feedback isn't for you to act on. I am very sure that people giving the feedback aren't trying to adhere to your opinions about when it's worth giving feedback. If there is anything in these feedback threads that is pointless, it's discussions about the validity of feedback on the forums.

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I think that some folks who are against the strike. Are not against your feedback per say but how its presented.
There is one thing to give feedback and there is a completely separate thing to go "Give me X OR I WILL SCREAAAAM!!!".. aka go on strike #Ultimatum.

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I think that some folks who are against the strike. Are not against your feedback per say but how its presented.
There is one thing to give feedback and there is a completely separate thing to go "Give me X OR I WILL SCREAAAAM!!!".. aka go on strike #Ultimatum.

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After asking politely for about 6 years (see healer subforum) to improve the situation for healers, I think a more firm feedback is warrented. And while a strike was by no means my own idea, I do support the innitiave as an ultimate attempt to get some sort of focus on these issues. If the strike doesn't make any difference, for me the healer role in FF is a lost cause. I'll just play the overtuned PLD.

But if someone has a better idea, beyond going back to posting feedback in the healer subforum, I eagerly await their innitiative.

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Originally Posted by Revash

I think that some folks who are against the strike. Are not against your feedback per say but how its presented.
There is one thing to give feedback and there is a completely separate thing to go "Give me X OR I WILL SCREAAAAM!!!".. aka go on strike #Ultimatum.

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I just wrote it in the post right above yours ffs...

Feedbacks have been submitted for more than half a decade on this forum, which is where SE tells us to voice our feedbacks.

Thoses feedback had never been responded, not even dismissed by SE. They just ignored all the feedback threads completely.

This thread is to make noise so they can't say they didn't see it anymore, maybe they will answer they won't do anything as we don't have any leverage on that other than lowering the healers number by playing something else even knowi'g that while we're several hundreds we're still only a drop in the bucket.

You said ultimatum as if we had the red button of a nuclear launch you can't be serious with that rly...

My healer queue has never been so fast and its usually pretty quick. I support this.

Just to play the Devil's advocate.
Feedback is not a legal court order. They can act upon it, they can take partial parts from it, they can discard it completely. I used to "scream alot" back in WoW..but eventually I understood that. I can go to their HQ and stomp my feet all I want and they still can do what they want with their product and nobody can "force" them do it otherwise.
Can only affect them "indirectly" with wallets if their financial analysts start yelling that they are going in the red and etc.