This game is on a terrible state right now.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

If you do not wish to contribute to the main subject of the thread, then you are free to make your own thread to discuss these topics. You and others no longer have the benefit of the doubt when it comes to blatant derailment of threads critical of Endwalker.

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That's the thing. They don't want to discuss these topics, and they don't want us to either. That's why they derail the threads. If they didn't care, they'd just make their own thread to talk about food. The topics we'd discuss here are offensive to them, and they cannot allow such things to exist peacefully.

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Just in case this isn't a little joke and you actually believe this silliness...Im not on Discord.

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I'm not sure if I should even believe that this isn't all some big coordinated derailment after seeing certain posts, but I'll choose to have some faith in humanity and take your word for it.

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The Renalt discord is seeking another derailment it seems.

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Just in case this isn't a little joke and you actually believe this silliness...Im not on Discord.
So any of this drama and stuff happening off-site, Im not apart of. Dont wanna be lumped in with something just because Im disliked at any level.

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That's the thing. They don't want to discuss these topics, and they don't want us to either. That's why they derail the threads. If they didn't care, they'd just make their own thread to talk about food. The topics we'd discuss here are offensive to them, and they cannot allow such things to exist peacefully.

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Not true, Dont know why it has to be said so many times, FFXIV is not perfect, and never be afraid to voice your concerns or opinions.
And the same thing happens on both sides, somebody makes a positive thread, somebody comes in to trash the thread and call people Shills.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

If you do not wish to contribute to the main subject of the thread, then you are free to make your own thread to discuss these topics. You and others no longer have the benefit of the doubt when it comes to blatant derailment of threads critical of Endwalker.

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You contribute to said "Derailments" if you really want the conversation to continue, then lets continue it instead of getting all upset, and indirectly going at "The Defenders" because people disagree with you or poke fun at some of the wacky things you have said. By you responding to me, it proves you never blocked me, so that means you should have seen the MANY times Ive given you credit for speaking sense, and also critical on your delivery as it muddies your actual point and turns into it something else alot of times.
All I was trying to do was get off of the drama with one of my "light-hearted jokes" and we could have cooled down and continued. But I guess thats wrong to do, Im just part of the Problem.
No Fun lol

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I'm not sure if I should even believe that this isn't all some big coordinated derailment after seeing certain posts, but I'll choose to have some faith in humanity and take your word for it.

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I sometimes troll, and derail, all in the name of good fun. There is no Malice in what I do here.
And I do not take part in these "Coordinated" anythings. Im my own person, Im not scheming in some off-site Group.

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That's the thing. They don't want to discuss these topics, and they don't want us to either. That's why they derail the threads. If they didn't care, they'd just make their own thread to talk about food. The topics we'd discuss here are offensive to them, and they cannot allow such things to exist peacefully.

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Indeed. And yet they lose absolutely nothing from what it is that we want, a game with better content and a story that doesn't generate threads spanning 800 pages.

A thread getting so many pages is only an indication of a severe lack of moderation because on any moderated forum the mods would have locked it by page 9 as it was just arguing in circles with no productive value whatsoever. Good job, you're persistent enough reply guys to keep it alive forever but that really doesnt mean anything.

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A thread getting so many pages is only an indication of a severe lack of moderation because on any moderated forum the mods would have locked it by page 9 as it was just arguing in circles with no productive value whatsoever. Good job, you're persistent enough reply guys to keep it alive forever but that really doesnt mean anything.

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Mods are actually watching and deleting posts referencing a certain external website's thread involved in this drama for some reason. Dunno why. Guess they don't want brigading etc. (Which I mean, clearly exists by this point)

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Not true, Dont know why it has to be said so many times, FFXIV is not perfect, and never be afraid to voice your concerns or opinions.
And the same thing happens on both sides, somebody makes a positive thread, somebody comes in to trash the thread and call people Shills.

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Sure, EW critics made more than a few spicy posts and some of them were downright bad. But the intentionals derailment always came from your side. Graeham? The random "lol the funny burger" memes right when anyone opens their mouth about the story? Or all that annoying crap about not prefacing posts with "I think", "In my opinion" instead of actually arguing about what's being said?
That's all you.

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Sure, EW critics made more than a few spicy posts and some of them were downright bad. But the intentionals derailment always came from your side. Graeham? The random "lol the funny burger" memes right when anyone opens their mouth about the story? Or all that annoying crap about not prefacing posts with "I think", "In my opinion" instead of actually arguing about what's being said?
That's all you.

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OK but this shit is hilarious:


https://i.imgur.com/8MUIQ71.jpg

~You may defeat us but our principal is in violet. Indivisible.~
~God King Solus and the Princess Svelte Lana~

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Sure, EW critics made more than a few spicy posts and some of them were downright bad. But the intentionals derailment always came from your side. Graeham? The random "lol the funny burger" memes right when anyone opens their mouth about the story? Or all that annoying crap about not prefacing posts with "I think", "In my opinion" instead of actually arguing about what's being said?
That's all you.

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So its wrong to encourage Proper English to make a Clear point? So that people dont get the idea that the Poster is talking like what they say is just Objective fact? I dont apologize for this. Sure I know the internet has its own "Rules" but Im just built differently, I like people to attempt to speak clearly, and if misunderstood, have no issue in clarifying the meaning behind what they say so that its understood. I practice this, which is why I get upset when what I say gets twisted and the person obviously didnt understand me, but just jumps to conclusions instead of getting clarification.

Also, the Stupid Burger Meme only got so much traction, because Aveyond mentioned it and brought it up So-Many-Times in his rants! The Food meme wouldnt have happened if they mentioned it ONCE and never again. Might sound victim-blaming, but thats how it happened.
Criticism against EW and FFXIV as a whole is not a problem. MANY of the things said are agreed on. Not everything of course, but the response shouldnt be to come at the person and call them a Shill or Whatever because they might like what someone else doesnt like, or have a different opinion or Experience.

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It was both sides. I actually thought Graeham was on the EW is bad side. As a lot of the times they posted they agreed with stuff that was said. I just stopped reading their posts cause it was hard to follow and understand. As I said it's one thing to post an opinion and have it come off as that. It's another when someone states an opinion and then treats it as fact. As some people on here tend to do and then get mad when you point it out. The whole burger stuff wouldn't even became a thing if a poster or two didn't practically write an essay about how they didn't feel as though it was money well spent by the devs.

People can make criticisms about the game. It's just any time anyone disagrees with an Op that is doing so people almost instantly start calling those that do shills or white knights ect. That those who disagree with whatever view point must enjoy and like all aspects of the game. Then people will try and say things like this doesn't happen with positive threads. Yet when someone does try to make a positive thread it doesn't even last a whole page before someone like Stormpeaks or RO41 to come in and write one of their typical responses to anything positive said about the game.

Some people on here come off so bitter about the game. To the point they seem surprised when others ask them why are they still playing it. Or they're looking at the past with the rose colored glasses they accuse other of wearing. Others make it look like all they ever want to do is nitpick.

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So its wrong to encourage Proper English to make a Clear point?

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I'm trying so hard.

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Sure, EW critics made more than a few spicy posts and some of them were downright bad. But the intentionals derailment always came from your side. Graeham? The random "lol the funny burger" memes right when anyone opens their mouth about the story? Or all that annoying crap about not prefacing posts with "I think", "In my opinion" instead of actually arguing about what's being said?
That's all you.

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It was both sides. I actually thought Graeham was on the EW is bad side. As a lot of the times they posted they agreed with stuff that was said. I just stopped reading their posts cause it was hard to follow and understand. As I said it's one thing to post an opinion and have it come off as that. It's another when someone states an opinion and then treats it as fact. As some people on here tend to do and then get mad when you point it out. The whole burger stuff wouldn't even became a thing if a poster or two didn't practically write an essay about how they didn't feel as though it was money well spent by the devs.

People can make criticisms about the game. It's just any time anyone disagrees with an Op that is doing so people almost instantly start calling those that do shills or white knights ect. That those who disagree with whatever view point must enjoy and like all aspects of the game. Then people will try and say things like this doesn't happen with positive threads. Yet when someone does try to make a positive thread it doesn't even last a whole page before someone like Stormpeaks or RO41 to come in and write one of their typical responses to anything positive said about the game.

Some people on here come off so bitter about the game. To the point they seem surprised when others ask them why are they still playing it. Or they're looking at the past with the rose colored glasses they accuse other of wearing. Others make it look like all they ever want to do is nitpick.

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It was both sides. I actually thought Graeham was on the EW is bad side. As a lot of the times they posted they agreed with stuff that was said. I just stopped reading their posts cause it was hard to follow and understand. As I said it's one thing to post an opinion and have it come off as that. It's another when someone states an opinion and then treats it as fact. As some people on here tend to do and then get mad when you point it out. The whole burger stuff wouldn't even became a thing if a poster or two didn't practically write an essay about how they didn't feel as though it was money well spent by the devs.

People can make criticisms about the game. It's just any time anyone disagrees with an Op that is doing so people almost instantly start calling those that do shills or white knights ect. That those who disagree with whatever view point must enjoy and like all aspects of the game. Then people will try and say things like this doesn't happen with positive threads. Yet when someone does try to make a positive thread it doesn't even last a whole page before someone like Stormpeaks or RO41 to come in and write one of their typical responses to anything positive said about the game.

Some people on here come off so bitter about the game. To the point they seem surprised when others ask them why are they still playing it. Or they're looking at the past with the rose colored glasses they accuse other of wearing. Others make it look like all they ever want to do is nitpick.

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Graeham has always just been a parody on the story haters. The broken english is part of the bit.

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I actually thought Graeham was on the EW is bad side. As a lot of the times they posted they agreed with stuff that was said. I just stopped reading their posts cause it was hard to follow and understand.

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LOL

He was mocking certain people, who, to be fair, also produced enough mockable content.

I eagerly await the defense of why spending money animating food like the burger and Zero's dumplings is a better use of resources than allocating that animation budget to displaying pivotal events like the Sundering. Hydaelyn and Zodiark's respective transformations. You know, the things Endwalker was supposed to focus on instead of rabbits running around like cartoon animals through the ruins of Garlemald.

Either way the ardent defenders of the story would have loved it.

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I eagerly await the defense of why spending money animating food like the burger and Zero's dumplings is a better use of resources than allocating that animation budget to displaying pivotal events like the Sundering.

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Nobody ever has, or ever will entertain this thought or idea.
And how much you talk about it is why we have these funny stupid food memes.

I've been off and on subbed since ARR. It's always been like this. What we do get has been getting trimmed down over the years, and now pair that with a delayed content cycle you can really feel it.

Game's always been bare, they're practically running a skeleton crew for development, and SE funnels the money this game makes into other properties.

Someone said this earlier in the thread and i tend to agree. This game is designed for the people who love to afk, and it's the only MMO i can think of that doesn't auto-disconnect you for being inactive, and they allow it because people pay their sub to just do it. I've been on Coeurl for years, and i have seen the same people in the same places for years.

Edit: I still think about that one person who said they never log out and keep paying their sub because they felt like it caused their character pain when they logged out, so when they went to bed, they'd put their character in bed until the morning. Wonder how they're doing.

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Graeham has always just been a parody on the story haters. The broken english is part of the bit.

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I'll confess: my gullible ass fell for it. I think I was charmed by his (her? Their?) colorful use of the English language.

Also, I really wanted to believe that the act was genuine. Kind of like wanting to believe in magic.

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Graeham has always just been a parody on the story haters. The broken english is part of the bit.

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Huh you learn something new everyday. Obviously fooled me. And this is why people who respond to some other OPs with this is bait only to get people who go omg why can't you take things people say seriously. As there are people at least in the past who do write that way and aren't trying to mock or whatnot. It's like what I said to a friend one time there are people out there who aren't memeing about their loathing about certain characters or parts of the story. That really do feel in such a way about those things. Like back during ARR, HW, or SB no one would take a person complaining about the story if one of the reasons why they didn't like it back then is because we didn't go to the moon. Practically everyone back then would have pointed and laughed at them. As there was nothing in the story or from the devs the that would suggest such a thing.

Yet, there are those who still make those kinds of complaints or fully believe crap like skills gained from job crystals being equipped are equal to the use of a Staples easy button. And then when someone does try to give those types at their word you get people replying why did you take the bait. Then there are posters who seem to not see that another's reply to something was soaking in sarcasm that they take it at face value. Thus causing misunderstanding. Which no one then tries to clear up.

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This expansion has been really lackluster in terms of patches, there is literally nothing to do, and most of the stuff added is a joke.

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Why release new content? when everyone is busy using mare, adding mods left and right, RMT, +18 avenues (scammers) they don't need to do anything, as long they throw a few items on the moogle store every 2 months and 1 dungeon/15min of MSQ every 4-5 months.

Hopefully this goes through and the free login campaign was enough to reignite forum access...fingers crossed!

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It was both sides.

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I'd argue otherwise. Vocal elements of this game's community have long acted extremely weirdly towards anyone who criticises elements of the story or happens to like or dislike the 'wrong' characters or factions. I've pointed out many times in the past how, quite often, those who lap up anything the story offers them have a habit of making incredibly bizarre insinuations about those who provide feedback or criticism. If they like Garlemald, they're accused of 'supporting fascism'. If they ask for more stakes and character deaths? They're called 'psychopaths'. If they happen to dislike Venat and find her genocidal rampage to be controversial? They're accused of 'hating women'. The worst possible spin is embraced and it is treated as if using the forum for the intended purpose of leaving feedback about the things that certain posters like or dislike is equal to some sort of criminal activity.

That's not even getting into the creepy conspiracy theories implying that everyone who criticises Endwalker is simply an alt or part of some secretive cabal, the death threats, homophobic commentary and 'forced intimacy' related comments. All of which have I know full well have been brought up many, many times by both myself and other posters.

So, no, it isn't 'both sides'. At most, a few people had enough after months or even years of needlessly aggressive/bad faith discussion in the guise of 'story talk' and got a bit snippy. A common trend around these parts is to ignore the outright horrific stuff posted and instead point at those snippy comments as if they and they alone are the problem or a case of 'both sides' at play.

As other posters so kindly pointed out, ignoring a thread one does not wish to partake in is perfectly viable and certainly preferable to derailing them over not liking specific posters.

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Hopefully this goes through and the free login campaign was enough to reignite forum access...fingers crossed!
That's not even getting into the creepy conspiracy theories implying that everyone who criticises Endwalker is simply an alt or part of some secretive cabal, the death threats, homophobic commentary and 'forced intimacy' related comments. All of which have I know full well have been brought up many, many times by both myself and other posters.

So, no, it isn't 'both sides'. At most, a few people had enough after months or even years of needlessly aggressive/bad faith discussion in the guise of 'story talk' and got a bit snippy. A common trend around these parts is to ignore the outright horrific stuff posted and instead point at those snippy comments as if they and they alone are the problem or a case of 'both sides' at play.

As other posters so kindly pointed out, ignoring a thread one does not wish to partake in is perfectly viable and certainly preferable to derailing them over not liking specific posters.

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Oh hey Theodric. I missed ya. Yet there are many who do want death for death sake or because they have never liked that character and try to go into detail of how much they don't like said character. To the point of practically stating they'd throw a party and wish they could dance on that character's grave. Or that if people cried at any point during the story that they only did it for internet points. Or have never experienced a true loss in their life. And I'm sure there are people who do actually like fascist. I know you and I haven't seen eye to eye on many a thing if anything. Yet even in some discussions you evn have reacted in ways where if someone points out parallels to things take those things the wrong way. For instance I personally haven't held your liking of Garlean stuff to think that you enjoy said parallels when brought up. As you tend to write in a way that doesn't give off the impression that it's not just an aesthetics thing or how a character is written.

Meanwhile there are those who do write in such a way that when read by a lot of people it doesn't leave much nuance. To the point where it is very hard to tell if said poster isn't a fascist, hates women, just wants every character to die and to kick puppies. Only to get people to yell "stop trying to brow beat the minority or be thought police". I think we both know ignoring said posters or certain threads is easier said then done. As we both have made "why are you still here" posts. There have been some where a person goes back to a thread to continue a discussion with another poster about the topic. Normally in the past that was seen as the accepted thing to do instead of starting a new thread on the topic and having the Op come off as strange due to trying to continue a conversation that started in another thread. Had to snip some stuff out cause we write "books".

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Graeham has always just been a parody on the story haters. The broken english is part of the bit.

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Wait that was a bit? I just thought English wasn't his first language and that's why it was bad. However his broken english as a 2nd language is better than some people where English is their only language.

Is that guy still around?

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Oh hey Theodric. I missed ya. Yet there are many who do want death for death sake or because they have never liked that character and try to go into detail of how much they don't like said character. To the point of practically stating they'd throw a party and wish they could dance on that character's grave. Or that if people cried at any point during the story that they only did it for internet points. Or have never experienced a true loss in their life. And I'm sure there are people who do actually like fascist. I know you and I haven't seen eye to eye on many a thing if anything. Yet even in some discussions you evn have reacted in ways where if someone points out parallels to things take those things the wrong way. For instance I personally haven't held your liking of Garlean stuff to think that you enjoy said parallels when brought up. As you tend to write in a way that doesn't give off the impression that it's not just an aesthetics thing or how a character is written.

Meanwhile there are those who do write in such a way that when read by a lot of people it doesn't leave much nuance. To the point where it is very hard to tell if said poster isn't a fascist, hates women, just wants every character to die and to kick puppies. Only to get people to yell "stop trying to brow beat the minority or be thought police". I think we both know ignoring said posters or certain threads is easier said then done. As we both have made "why are you still here" posts. There have been some where a person goes back to a thread to continue a discussion with another poster about the topic. Normally in the past that was seen as the accepted thing to do instead of starting a new thread on the topic and having the Op come off as strange due to trying to continue a conversation that started in another thread. Had to snip some stuff out cause we write "books".

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Each to their own, I suppose but I don't personally put much stock in drawing comparisons between people's preferences in fiction and reality. If someone is really enthusiastic about the Dark Brotherhood or Morag Tong in an Elder Scrolls game, for example, it doesn't usually equal that person being a serial killer/assassin for hire in the real world.

As for stakes and character death, I think it's simply a matter of personal taste. MMO's are usually designed to have broad appeal and cater to a variety of different preferences yet the main characters share the same opinions, morals and beliefs as one another and many are from the exact same in-game region. Compared to the variety of personalities we get in the single player Final Fantasy games the Scions are arguably very boring and 'safe'. Like a lot of the game's elements in general, arguably.

So some of us come to forum to voice such concerns. Not everybody is going to agree and that's perfectly fine but there's no reason it has to lead to grand conspiracies or mean spirited bad blood between specific posters.

I may very well be wrong in my viewpoint but my tentative view of the current trajectory is that the development team are doubling down on catering to the 'venue goer' crowd as a priority and pretty much everybody else is being left behind. That could very well change at some point but only time will tell for certain. Between the lack of an equivalent to Bozja/Eureka and the story deciding to do away with multiple ongoing plot threads all at once, though, for the foreseeable future I'll probably only be logging in during the free login campaigns. Especially since I've already carved out a niche for myself elsewhere.

Here is the actual clip - I went out to find it for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yF5MaYjvk8

So yes they do, YoshiP himself goes to raids like CT etc with players..he just drops in now and then.

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Are you STILL on about this? Good Lord man....really...

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Yoshida recently said that on patch days he'll log on and afk at one of the starting cities aetherites just to people watch or have the game noise going on in the background while working. Heck there have been people who are fairly sure they've had CC matches against him.

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I would not be surprised. YoshiP has an impish sense of humour, I think he gets a small giggle at how players react when they see him.

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Are you STILL on about this? Good Lord man....really...

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I mean, that buuz was delicious looking.

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Each to their own, I suppose but I don't personally put much stock in drawing comparisons between people's preferences in fiction and reality. If someone is really enthusiastic about the Dark Brotherhood or Morag Tong in an Elder Scrolls game, for example, it doesn't usually equal that person being a serial killer/assassin for hire in the real world.

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This is why I think the whole 'Zodiark cultists' thing is weird. Ok, so a person likes the Ascians more than scions. Why does this make them a cultist in real life again?

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Compared to the variety of personalities we get in the single player Final Fantasy games the Scions are arguably very boring and 'safe'. Like a lot of the game's elements in general, arguably.

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Agreed. The sad thing is that things didn't used to be this way. The story of Heavensward is one of my favorites from this game due to how each party member isn't an exact copy of the others. Each has a different personality, background, and general goal, and band together as they seek to accomplish a common goal that they happen to share, despite their differences. Estinien and Ysayle were especially interesting because they each had two opposing views on the external conflict, and that internal conflict made the story worth investing in. In recent expansions, all of that internal conflict is gone. When all of the characters agree on everything all of the time, they become boring and stale.

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So some of us come to forum to voice such concerns. Not everybody is going to agree and that's perfectly fine but there's no reason it has to lead to grand conspiracies or mean spirited bad blood between specific posters.

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You're probably right. Certain recent posts here still have me slightly curious as to how deep the rabbit hole truly goes, but I'd imagine that at worst, it's was just Renalt and a couple of his friends causing trouble, and nothing more than that. This is just a forum for people to give feedback, I'd imagine that people don't take this too seriously.

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I may very well be wrong in my viewpoint but my tentative view of the current trajectory is that the development team are doubling down on catering to the 'venue goer' crowd as a priority and pretty much everybody else is being left behind.

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I'm not sure if it's venue goer crowd specifically but I think you're definitely on to something here.

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This is just a forum for people to give feedback, I'd imagine that people don't take this too seriously.

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Yet you are one of those "conspiracists". telling people you think I am paid to post here. You blew ten years worth of credibility in one sentence.;););););)

Pot, kettle, over.

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I so like the Dark Brotherhood mostly due to their faction having some of the better quest lines. That and the lore surrounding the Dark Mother I find fascinating. Said enthusiasm is fine. Yet there are things that one probably shouldn't admit to liking or finding fascinating to the public. Even if they aren't as you say actually serial killers or assassins. As that's how said comparisons have a better chance at being made.

I get and understand that for some the story more recently or even pre Ew didn't/doesn't feel as though it had any stakes. Yet, as I said there are those who do want deaths not to raise the stakes or to have the story to feel like it has a bite to it. Or if they do they don't make it clear. If not go and double down on the "no I just want them dead since I first met them." want.

Agreed people should be able to have a discussion where people aren't mean spirited or call one a shill ect right off the bat. However I feel as though this forum has tilted too much in that direction. Where a lot if not almost all opening replies start in that position. Or a civil discussion tries to happen only for one person to deal a low blow and it just goes down hill from there. Heck sometimes it's not even the people having the debate but a 3rd party that starts the mud slinging only for them to get back up.

And yet a lot of people grumbled and complained for two whole expansions and then some about Eureka and Bozja. Right after people had gone and complained about how ARR and HW relics were. Sometimes the playerbase and even the devs need a break from always having X in every expansion.

Look at Alliance Raids both Sb n ShB had cross overs for them. One I'd like to think was/has been accepted better than the other. People got burnt out on cross overs that they asked if not begged for the next one to not have any semblance of a cross over. Only to have some go oh man I seriously can't wait to have another cross over post EW fan fests. I am glad that you and I'm going to assume a certain some one else have found a niche somewhere else.

I do believe that if someone is feeling burn out or that a thing isn't for them any more to take a break from it. Or to just stop all together. As it's not healthy to continue. Just wish people wouldn't feel any form of shame and thus deny said feelings/realization that's what has happened. Not saying that's what happened with you. Just that's it's a thing that seems to happen.

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I would not be surprised. YoshiP has an impish sense of humour, I think he gets a small giggle at how players react when they see him.

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Yet you are one of those "conspiracists". telling people you think I am paid to post here

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Each to their own, I suppose but I don't personally put much stock in drawing comparisons between people's preferences in fiction and reality. If someone is really enthusiastic about the Dark Brotherhood or Morag Tong in an Elder Scrolls game, for example, it doesn't usually equal that person being a serial killer/assassin for hire in the real world.

As for stakes and character death, I think it's simply a matter of personal taste. MMO's are usually designed to have broad appeal and cater to a variety of different preferences yet the main characters share the same opinions, morals and beliefs as one another and many are from the exact same in-game region. Compared to the variety of personalities we get in the single player Final Fantasy games the Scions are arguably very boring and 'safe'. Like a lot of the game's elements in general, arguably.

So some of us come to forum to voice such concerns. Not everybody is going to agree and that's perfectly fine but there's no reason it has to lead to grand conspiracies or mean spirited bad blood between specific posters.

I may very well be wrong in my viewpoint but my tentative view of the current trajectory is that the development team are doubling down on catering to the 'venue goer' crowd as a priority and pretty much everybody else is being left behind. That could very well change at some point but only time will tell for certain. Between the lack of an equivalent to Bozja/Eureka and the story deciding to do away with multiple ongoing plot threads all at once, though, for the foreseeable future I'll probably only be logging in during the free login campaigns. Especially since I've already carved out a niche for myself elsewhere.

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Pretty much.
Businesses have stakeholders, people. Though XIV goes against the grain sometimes, the stakeholders must be pleased with safe decisions.
Broad appeal is always a safe decision.

I mean you guys have probably heard of a niche TV show being announced that it's not being renewed for another season. I'm a shameless fan of Bryan Fuller's Hannibal for example and even I knew that that show was going to get the cut.
It's why XIV is going the route they are and while I may not like it - it's understandable.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

He does come off as having that kind of sense of humor.

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Sanna: havent you ever looked at his eyes? The guy is still a kid inside, with a wicked grin. He's a gamer at heart, you can see that in everything he does..hasnt it ever occurred to anyone that THIS the reason he has been so successful?

BTW the following isnt aimed at you:)

Watch what happens every time he travels data centres, he is MOBBED everywhere he goes. Apart from this negative echo chamber, full of whiners and perpetual complainers, the rest of the playerbase is having a blast, playing every day and enjoying the hell out of themselves..a fact this lot tend to forget in their rush to nitpick tiny flaws or forever bloviating because the devs dont do what THEY want.

Aveyond is unbelievable, that "rewrite" of his falls flat on its face when you remember the one thing he HASNT considered is whether or not what he wants is what OTHERS want.

OF COURSE they play every day, OF COURSE the game is tested and checked, doesnt anyone remember pre Endwalker where Yoshi said he played ALL OF IT start to end?? Repeatedly? The expac was delayed because it didnt meet HIS standards..at least he and his team care, which is far more than i can say for other companies.

OF COURSE they have private characters, when was this ever in doubt? I am aware of at least two occasions from when they had an interview and the devs discussed runs they had had...remember that "that which he doesnt play" Aveyond whinefest ?

Yoshi said ( and take note on how this was conveniently glossed over ) that he hasnt done it on his PRIVATE character, he and the team play test every single facet of the game, Yoshi got frustrated with Sylphstep...yeah so does everyone else. Im not surprised he hadnt done Island on his own alt at that stage....with the work he puts in during the day, when would he find the time?

Pre Endwalker...he was on camera, utterly exhausted, looked like he hadnt slept in days.

No game is perfect. No game will make every single person happy. Someone somewhere will ALWAYS find flaws or issues and start their interminable whining. Know what makes me both angry and exasperated? In general,.with this forums denizens?

It doesnt matter what the devs do they.............they will never be satisfied.

Me? Right now my character is in the workshop crafting submarine components for a friend, the patch intervals dont worry me as they are SOP for any MMO.

Im having fun every day....not looking for ways to be utterly and habitually miserable.

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I guess we found someone that takes the forums too seriously.

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Calling me a "white knight" and now a "paid shill for SE", pot, kettle, over. Remind me one day to introduce you to a seagull I once met...youd have a lot to learn from him.

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"Yoshi said, Yoshi said, Yoshi said.."

Yoshi ain't here. He playin' FFXVI. lol

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rant about people not being satisfied

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Do you really think that if 6.4 came and fixed all of the problems people have with the game, that they'd still be unsatisfied?

I can't speak for everyone, but if 6.4 comes around and fixes the issues this game has, I'll be giving it the credit it deserves. I want FFXIV to be as good as it possibly can. I want it to excel. The game isn't living up to it's potential right now, and I'd like it to see that change. If that does change, many of the current issues are fixed, and the game sees genuine improvement, I can and perhaps will then be satisfied.

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Calling me a "white knight" and now a "paid shill for SE"

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If we're being 100% serious, I don't actually think you're actually paid. If I had to guess, the only person here in this thread who makes posts worth paying for is probably Theodric.

As for the white knight part, I posted an exaggerated caricature of a white knight, and you unironically agreed with it, and months later doubled down on it. There's no conspiracy for me to make. If you have changed your stance on that matter since then, let me know. Otherwise, if it really makes you that upset, that's your problem. I am not interested in 'discussing' this topic further.

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He does come off as having that kind of sense of humor.

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I wonder what Yoko Toro would be like if they ever did some sort of Drakengard/Nier MMO.

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This guy's not entirely wrong, which is the saddest part.

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I think a fair point is that we don't have Exploration content this time - if you include Diadem, this is the first time since ARR we didn't have an Exploration Zone thing, which can be grindy (Eureka) or kind of bland (Bozja) to people, but it gives people things to work on during content droughts.

We're definitely seeing that, with patches being 2-4 weeks longer AND no "busywork" content like that, that the droughts feel a lot worse to a lot of players.

In ShB, if I did everything in the "main" game content (I didn't do any raiding until EW, though I did Extremes - been playing since ARR, btw - so Savage and Ultimates aren't the answer; even now that I dabble in Savages to get my other ring slot filled, I don't do it a lot and don't do Ultimates), I then could grind out Eureka and/or Bozja. Now, I have a lot less to get from those things, so do them much less and...there's not a modern EW version to waste my time in. And the patches are longer before new stuff comes out. And the non-raid parts of patches are delayed for 4-6 WEEKS for the X.Y5 patches for god only knows what reason instead of coming with the patch launch and the raid stuff being pushed to the X.Y5 so that we can keep doing the other stuff. Sure it caters to raiders this way so they can focus on their raiding BUT WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US??

I'm not sure why they made the changes they made, but I DO feel like they were bad choices.

My biggest hope for 7.X is that they realize what a mistake this was and go back to having Exploration content, starting it early in both the patch cycle (ideally 7.1, but maybe 7.2), don't push non-raid stuff to the X.Y5 patches, and just generally let us have more busywork/grindy stuff to do during these longer patches when we kind of run out of things to do otherwise. And I'm one of the white knights here, but even I feel this was a mistake.

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:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Yoshi said, Yoshi said, Yoshi said! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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Originally Posted by Renathras

I'm not sure why they made the changes they made, but I DO feel like they were bad choices.

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I think I know why they made those changes. Think about what's coming in 7.0...a graphical update across the board. They're likely spending the extra effort trying to get that done in time for 7.0. Or at least I HOPE that's what they're working on, since I don't think there'd be many complaints if the time was spent perfecting the graphical update (and giving full hair/helm privileges to Hrothgar and Viera).

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I think I know why they made those changes. Think about what's coming in 7.0...a graphical update across the board. They're likely spending the extra effort trying to get that done in time for 7.0. Or at least I HOPE that's what they're working on, since I don't think there'd be many complaints if the time was spent perfecting the graphical update (and giving full hair/helm privileges to Hrothgar and Viera).

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Yeah totally.. Because when I put off all my homework and assignments until the end of the year, I end up doing it all in 1 night and getting an A in the class. Mhm. lol
Or more appropriately, I wait until the beginning of next year to turn in everything from last year.. And the year before.. And the year before..

It won't happen. No more lying to ourselves. Getting new shaders and lighting won't immediately fix all of the asset issues they dug themselves into.

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