No, this would give some flexibility to those who want the cap gone entirely. Geezus, people. If you're the type of person that feels pressured by having more options, that is entirely on you and something you need to work on. And stop using outliers as if they're the norm. Most people do not have 15 jobs leveled. If judging by these forums, most people are also completely content with gearing slowly and so this burn out you keep talking about shouldn't be an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by TankHunter678
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08-03-2017, 12:05 PMSkivvy
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08-03-2017, 12:15 PMAxlStreamThen you'd get people who play just 1 job complaining about people effectively having more total tomes and want that restriction removed entirely. I know it's a slippery slope kkind of arguement but this community is extremely prone to it considering many stances on expected performance, content difficulty and other issues. There is absolutely no way to make everyone happy and most seem to make due with the current system while it keeps content somewhat engaging for a minor ammount of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skivvy
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08-03-2017, 12:19 PMTankHunter678Eh based on what I see all the time in DF? There are more people with all jobs leveled (to some degree) then there are people with only a couple jobs leveled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skivvy
And it does lead to much faster burn out, I experienced it in other, korean, MMOs where you basically have to constantly grind to progress. -
08-03-2017, 12:43 PMSnow_PrincessYou need a game to limit you so you do not get burned out? Why does a game development team need to micromanage people? They can at least do the gated currency by ROLE (not job) so healer (whm/SCH/AST) , tank (DRK, WAR, PLD) Melee (maiming) DRG, Melee (striking) MNK,SAM, scouting - NIN, RNG(BRD,MCH) and caster, (BLM,SMN, RDM) though they would need to balance secondary stats better for this to work, like how spell speed is not really wanted by RDM, have it effect other things. You do not need to cap every role per week, and no reason people should feel they have to, it is just options so people do not feel locked in one job, something this game advertises play all jobs on one character.Quote:
Originally Posted by TankHunter678
its fineQuote:
Originally Posted by C-croft
UGH now i am considering buying 2 MSQ potions but it is limit 1 per account, it would be nice to have different characters per role for the pointless gating and inventory space, be a good way for them get more money that is for sure..Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
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08-03-2017, 12:43 PMSkivvyIt's normal to have all jobs leveled to a degree. I have all jobs leveled to a degree. What I want to see are all these poor souls that you are worried about that have all 15 jobs maxed out and are simultaneously trying to gear them all. That is what your previous comment was alluding to as a reason why tome cap per job would be bad. Yes, I know those people are spotted around the server - I ran into one of them while running an expert once, however they are insanely far from the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by TankHunter678
Also, burn-out is obviously a very real thing, but these leads back to your own self-control. Just because you personally suffer with burnout does not mean others will suffer the same. I've played XI, as well as my favorite Korean MMO that I hate to love (AA) for years, I understand grind. You need to know how you react to grind and play accordingly. It's unfortunate that SE feels they have to resort to the level of hand-holding presented in this game. -
08-03-2017, 12:57 PMKrotoan
there must be a balance to keep people playing old content and keep it somewhat challenging. Everyone capping out everything on the first week would destroy older runs for people. None of the prime geared people will do old dungeons because there's no point (barring maybe minions and the occasional odd glamour).
nobody does old dungeons, newer/slower players can't find parties.
The caps are to keep more people playing more of the content at a constant rate. Everyone in this game knows if you wanna get your runs done fast and efficiently , you play as much as you can right after weekly reset. Everyone is running their tome runs and wt entries. There's a mini spike friday night and saturday, and a teeny spike right before reset of people doing these duties.
remove the cap? You'd get 2 weeks of intense runs for everyone, people would be playing nonstop and capping the crap out of everything. Then 4 weeks in? dead. Nobody is running "old" content except the casuals, queues get longer and longer every day.
True this is opinion. I am no game dev, but from what I've seen in the forums and patterns in DF on my server, this is a necessary evil to keep the game alive and the majority of the people engaged. -
08-03-2017, 01:09 PMSkivvyI could be wrong, but I feel like if they were to adjust the cap to be per job, people would be running more dungeons/roulettes as they now actually have an incentive to. I can only speak for myself, but currently I only run 1 expert daily. That is it. No real reason to do more since it only takes 5 experts a week to cap Creation. If I had more jobs I could be working on, I would definitely try and sneak in an extra dungeon or two on the nights that I'm free. I can't imagine I'd be the only one doing some extra runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
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08-03-2017, 01:29 PMKrotoaneveryone would be running more .... initially. The point I'm trying to make is if you don't limit it or make people have a reason to keep coming back every week it will be a huge rush and then nobody running queues. People would cap out everything in the first couple weeks and move on or quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skivvy
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08-03-2017, 01:37 PMSkivvyCan't fully gear a job in Creation tomes in two weeks :X Two months, maybe. Also, there is far more content in this game than just gearing up. If gearing is deemed by players and SE to be the end-game for XIV, we're in for some hurt. Gearing should be viewed as the first step into being able to play the content you enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
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08-03-2017, 01:44 PMKrotoanpersonally I find WAYY more in this game besides gear, take a look at this character and you'll see I like gathering minions, mounts, crafting, achievements and I LOOOVE the stories, sidequests and otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skivvy
I guess it wouldn't hurt to cap creation per job..but then how would you stop someone from capping out their Main job in creation gear and stopping in the first week? 15 types of tomes?.. bleh..
Gear ISN"T the beat all end all, but it is the main reason a lot of people play MMORPGs. Remove those people after they've got theirs and the queues grow.
I've been playing this game since 1.0 and will be playing till the story ends, but there is something to be said for keeping around people who are good at clearing dungeons and events efficiently and often, and those people are usually Gear Progression types. -
08-03-2017, 01:51 PMThunda_Cat_SMASH
I'll pass on unlocking the gates, thanks. I actually enjoy them the way they are now, and unlocking would either result in content being tuned around Max ilvl or the community forcing players that aren't 338+ to miss out on content because they don't have the time to gear out all jobs in creation gear in five hours.
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08-03-2017, 02:27 PMSnow_PrincessThat is the same as now, the community expects you be on that single job you gear. Maybe not remove them completely, but something needs changing so you can be more then one job. To gear takes too long to do more then one job because of the gating. For 4.05, the time gating was so bad, Delta normal got outdated, gear wise before people could even get body gear from it. Sure have some kind of gating for "overpowered gear" but we need some kind of balance so we can gear more then one job. The bold is exactly why the gating needs to be relooked at, you have a self defeating augment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH
You ever see some of the light farming pfs when 270 gear was semi-recent? I had to change jobs often (and mix my right with healer/caster to get the 270 average) just so I can join the pf and them to turn it down because the difference of 260 and 268-270 was meaningless, and that i was a i262 healer and do fine in farming pts. Also I had to do that for lore farming too, was issue with lore farming and lights. -
08-03-2017, 02:31 PMBaciAnd you can gear more than one job. Just because you dont like the options you have doesnt mean they dont existQuote:
Originally Posted by Snow_Princess
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08-03-2017, 02:42 PMSnow_PrincessDid you read what I said? You could not, you be gated by the ilevel equivalent and unable to join because you can only get that high ilevel on ONE JOB. (And ONLY if you focused all the currency on one job, if you split it, because you play more then one job, you couldn't meet it.) I was able bypass it by mixing my right and explaining to them it was asking too much, and every time I did that, I was always accepted and they turned the requirement down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baci
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08-03-2017, 03:09 PMTensaiSogetsu
Never gonna happen, OP. Even as someone that levels everything, I would NOT want the gating to go away. There's plenty to do between patch cycles.
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08-03-2017, 03:38 PMBourne_EndeavorThey aren't outliners though. Every single time the devs have released content where you could indefinitely farm it, people always gravitated to the easiest and most efficient they could find. As I mentioned earlier, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who wasn't in Verity gear on their preferred jobs by the time Omega dropped. Likewise, the Anima farm was supposed to push people to casually grind their relics. What did most do instead? Spam A1S incessantly because it was fast and easy. Aether PF had an abundance of light farm parties practically all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skivvy
Savage didn't release for four weeks, meaning raiders had plenty of time while waiting for it. If you wanted full Creation gear, it would require just 214 tomes per day over that four week span. Doing your roulettes daily offers 125. So two... just two Ala Mhigo runs extra per day and you'd have full ilvl 330 in four weeks. That is not a hardcore grind. People spend more time farming mounts than what it would require for them to have the highest level gear available. This does not include, Hunts, Lost Canals or PvP. Even casual play would make it incredibly easy and far more beneficial to obtain all Creation gear, thus rendering every other avenue for gear progression obsolete. You keep presuming only "no lifers" would grind like that, but 214 tomes per day requires less than one hour' slightly longer if you go the dungeon route and maybe get some bad groups. That is all you would have to dedicate to your grind.
Because it renders more than half the content released worthless? It actually wouldn't impact me nearly as much as non-raiders. Why? I do Savage, thus my progression will remain untouched. Casual players, on the other hand, will find queues increasingly longer as less and less people bother with content that offers them literally nothing. The 24 man raid would be dead on arrival since not a single piece of gear is better than what you could already have farmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fonkyama
As for people unsubbing. This assumption is false. All censuses made public, official or unofficial, only showed a decline in players during the much maligned Gordias era. Those numbers increased with Creation as did the clear rates. Furthermore, the job mentality is community enforced as vast majority of statics recruit based on roles. If I join as a healer, the group wouldn't be pleased if I abruptly said I wanted to play Samurai this week. If you're pugging, you can join a PF with whatever gear you have and most won't care provided you know what you're doing. Want to play Samurai this week instead of healer? Look for a PF with an open DPS slot. -
08-03-2017, 03:39 PMFonkyama
Why do people care if gating was removed, or at least adapted to their "Play all jobs" design?
For people afraid that it would mean higher ilvl requirements, you will always be free to create parties yourself asking for lower ilv requirements.
For those who think it would tire players who would end up quitting, guess what? That's exactly what's already happening when you are always playing the same job cause you cannot gear your alts properly.
And no, there is not enough end game content as it is. I still have hope that they will be able to bring some new end game things in this expansion by removing one dungeon every two patches, but I have little faith it will be meaningful content.
The fact is the game is stuck between its play every job on one character core design and its game design decisions to heavily limit it. -
08-03-2017, 03:56 PMNeophyte
If people set high ilvl now, too, is to ensure that people come with their "main" (because most often it's the most/best played job which is geared the most).
Through being gated tomestone gear equals dedication to a job in some way.
Also it's not that you see PFs wanting 320+ really often and if you join O1s and O2s per raid finder no one kicks you with ilvl around 320 or a bit less.
People with the most drops in my static are around 330 now and they would never ever request anything higher than 320 for any pf (except maybe speed kills).
And in heavensward 265+ was like never the norm on my datacenter, maybe towards the end where I and many others had all jobs at 269+ anyway (exception: wannabe zurvan clear parties and speed kill groups).
With uncapped tomes 330 would be norm since last week and from next week on (week 4 of savage) it would be going towards 331+ for every group who expects savage clears.
Back to one job I guess (depending on luck with drops).
The only thing you achieve with uncapped tomes is
1) faster ilvl inflation,
2) the gearing process would be even more brainless and doable with less effort (no one would overmeld and craft gear for that extra edge on dps in early clear groups)
3) unstable participation in contents with higher spikes and bigger gaps in between them. Bad for a subscription model game.
If tomes were uncapped there would be other gates in place, most likely rng based ones, which also leads to "only 1-3 jobs high geared" usually and also provide stable participation. -
08-03-2017, 04:01 PMSnow_PrincessYeah exactly, they depend on this gating to be content for 4 years.. time for something different? reskining patch after patch im sure people get tired of it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fonkyama
it was 2 weeks, not 4, when salvage opened compared to normal. You couldn't even get a body from normal when salvage opened. Why does it matter if people had full Verity on 1 job by the time delta normal opened? me and my friend where on 3 jobs with it, and we did not do expert every day. Why is it such an issue to let the game live up to what it advertises? this isn't "can only play 1 job, or 1 role and you need 2 alts to play properly" I do not find this post making a connection on why people should be allowed to gear more then one job on the current tomes. Also you pretty much had to make Verity not gated, otherwise it would not make sense to have 300 gear rain on you with 310 gated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
Those are design flaws making the current tome gear too strong/ content too easy. That was always another issue and not really meant for this topic, I just think it is counterproductive that this game is all jobs on one character when that is not really the truth and tries to force one job on people. Also your 1 does not take account the suggested of resisting caps per role, not per character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neophyte
Come to think of it, I guess my point is I am tried of gating covering up the game's design flaws, that is why it works so well, because they can't build the game from the concept of letting you play and gear any job yet, and does not offer enough content to support it (or least that fear that?) -
08-03-2017, 04:11 PMFonkyama
For those saying the content would be useless, WoW lets you farm all week if you want and yet its content last longer than FF14's content.
And I'm not asking for removing gating on a main, I mean the pace at which you can gear one character doesn't bother me. It's slow, but I'm ok with it.
What I wish, is that we could gear other jobs at the same time. At least other roles. A weekly role cap would suit me just fine. It would also give me reason to actually play the game at high level more. You reach the 450 cap just too fast as it is. a 10min pvp roulette will give you 40 of those. If you're unlucky in Omega you'll do 1/3 of it by the time you get your 4 loots. You can reach that cap by Wednesday without playing like a maniac. And then what? Sure you can try the primals hoping for a mount drop every now and then. Sure there's savage. And... that's it? There's nothing else to do at high level.
So you turn to your alts, that you cannot gear cause the system won't allow it. -
08-03-2017, 04:18 PMBourne_EndeavorI was relaying how it would be if Creation tomes existed from the get go. Since they would be unrestricted in this hypothetical, it'd be pointless to even have Verity. The crux of my point is how it still only takes an hour to grind, which is barely putting forth any dedication at all. You wouldn't have to play everyday as you could play longer another day to make up for lost time. What you continuously ignore is your purposed solution makes all other content obsolete. With uncapped Creation tomes, people aren't going to run Omega normal. There is no point. It takes less time and you'll be guaranteed higher level gear compared to the RNG equivalent. To make this crystal clear. In your scenario...Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow_Princess
Omega Normal
RNG dependent
Inferior ilvl
Weekly reward (assuming this wasn't also removed)
Uncapped Creation
Guaranteed, provided you run content that rewards Creation
Higher ilvl
No cost
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08-03-2017, 05:01 PMCentershock
After reading through all the posts in here and trying to look at every single angle, I still think that this gate is needed. I get it. It's an artificial way for SE to keep subs. For us to keep playing, despite it being the same ol' content every single time. So that players don't out-pace each other too much, so that no one gears up too quickly. I hate this gate, but it's a necessary evil I suppose you could say.
But I also think the current cap of 450 is too low. We are already have 15 combat-related jobs. Is it so much to ask to be able to outfit maybe one of every role? One tank, one healer, one DPS (of any kind)? How difficult would it be for the devs to implement something like this? And if not 450 for every role, how about just raise it to 900 altogether? -
08-03-2017, 05:11 PMBaciYes. Not having content for about a year till the next expansion is so much better. Atleast you can farm your dailies yayQuote:
Originally Posted by Fonkyama
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08-03-2017, 05:17 PMRasyliaPlease refrain from using the term "fanboys" towards people who disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eclipsed
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08-03-2017, 05:37 PMDriavnaYour "average" MMO player have no self-control and this system, with is good in paper, is "not really working", for players the best version is now mandatory instead of an extra. Blizzard faced the same problem when they uncapped the daily quest limit in Pandaria, people forced themselves to do all quest all days instead of focusing in one or two reputations at a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fonkyama
Another problem Blizzard is facing is the artifact weapon, the system was built as an alternative progression system that you leveling up by just doing other stuff without really caring about it, but once again the community farmed it non-stop and last time I checked is a very "hated" system.
However, the vocal minority is totally disconnected from the actual player base and your regular player enjoys the formula. Ion Hazzikostas have a few very good interviews talking about this, how when something it's not really working (like Cataclysm heroic difficulty for dungeons or the Diadem) people don't touch the content and/or subs drops really fast compared to the usual mambo of an MMO.
So, there is no perfect system and Devs have to stick to something that works for the majority of their player base and for FFXIV is the current formula. -
08-03-2017, 05:50 PMFonkyamaYou have no idea what kind of content Blizzard is releasing each patch since Legion, do you? I love FF14 and even if I know they don't have the same ressources, I would love for a 1/3 of Legion's content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baci
It's usually hated by people who care about first world progression. As for the others, you will always progress on your artefact whether you farm for it or not and if you fall too much behind there's a catch up system built in anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Driavna
I do agree on Pandaria's issue and that's why I'm only referring to Legion which got it (almost) right. -
08-03-2017, 05:57 PMDriavnaYes, world first community it's daying because the insane numbers of hours self-imposed (I won't be surprised is Mythic got discontinued at some point). I like Lengion formula, but I also enjoy a lot how FF14 works and don't want a 180ยบ, IMO what we need is just more side content.Quote:
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That why I'm plaing this game and not WoW. -
08-03-2017, 06:02 PMBaciAnd the content you have now wont make up for an around 1 year gap between last raid-> next expansion. Which was the case for pandaria and WoD. For legeion afaik theres one more raid coming, right now its August so if the raid its in idk 2 month it will be again a gap of 3/4 a year up to a full year till expansion.Quote:
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08-03-2017, 06:38 PMReinha
The reason there are caps is to give people something to work towards without effectively nerfing Savage on the first week by giving people higher gear than it's tuned for. If tomes weren't capped then the highest tome gear would have to be item level 320. And look what that does:
The OP himself would complain there is no content worth doing after getting the best tome gear. Getting all jobs geared with the best gear would be pointless because then you'd have no reason to keep playing content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow_Princess
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08-03-2017, 06:54 PMAirget
Here's a suggestion, the give and take would be simple. The job specific gear you obtain at lv 70 can be traded in with half the tomes to obtain a job specific i230 of X gear.
This is the general idea of it, it would allow you to gear up 2 specific jobs for half the tome cost but of course the downside is you won't have a healer set aka SCH/WHM/AST instead you could have SCH and BRD. I think this would be the best middle ground that could be reached without breaking the system. Since in the game there are technically ways to gear up other jobs at the same time minus the weapon however they are usually the same job type except in case of DRG and NIN which don't share currently.
But basically the premise is this. Body piece would cost 412 instead of 825, however there would need to be strict rules set in place so that you can only use 1 token weekly.
They would need to add a "Role: X job here" token that you can only by 1 of each weekly reset, so you buy the ones you want, WHM and RDM, they would basically be free and serve as a token to prevent players from getting 2 NIN gear for a cheaper price each week and just gearing up faster. The whole design is set around being able to choose 2 specific jobs you want to gear up. -
08-03-2017, 08:03 PMFelisWhy should it be alt friendly if you can do everything on 1 character and don't need alts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
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08-03-2017, 09:24 PMBourne_EndeavorBecause you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. "All classes on one character" isn't the same as "all classes equally geared on one character." Note the distinction. You can do every piece of content without having a single piece of Creation gear. I main Samurai but could swap to Dragoon next week if I really wanted to. Most people do start rotating their alt jobs regardless of gear once they're a bit more aware of the fight and don't need extra benefits. People focus on one job first less due to gear but more so consistency. When learning Savage level fights, you want the job you have most practice with because it'll make that first clear easier. Back in Creator I rotated Dragoon, Ninja, White Mage and Warrior throughout the tier. I very briefly dabbled with Machinist too. The melee DPS were with my static while I pugged on White Mage and subbed for a friend on Warrior and Machinist. Some were fully geared, others weren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
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08-03-2017, 09:55 PMCatwho
I too like to eventually get all classes to 70, but I am totally fine with the gates on content. The gear is all hamster wheels anyway. Learn all the jobs, but focus on playing a handful of them at their best. You can be equally geared and equally skilled at all the classes, and still have a preference, after all. I loved WAR and hated PLD at 50. I loved PLD and DRK and hated WAR at 60. Didn't mean I couldn't play WAR - I could quite well - it just meant I didn't enjoy pushing DPS to hold hate the way the job was played at 60.
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08-03-2017, 09:56 PMMycow8me
Gating in this game is going to continue and that's just the way of it due to how raiding works in this game and its strict vertical progression. A raid literally lasts 10 to 20 minutes max if it is cleared on the first try. Not gating that kind of gear progression in a game where the amount of endgame gear at any given time is 3 sets usually... is crazy.
I could understand if they made tomes unlimited for casual people to play and enjoy every class but they have to make tome gear entry gear for raiding if they do that otherwise people will over gear for raids first day. I honestly don't have a problem with them doing this but then you have the people who cry that they can't have good gear... Combine that with a problem of keeping crafting gear/nonsavage gear relevant and you have more issues. Do we go with 2 to 5ilvl differences? Sure why not. People will always strive for something better or the best or available to their current limitations whatever they may be.
This game isn't designed to not be gated. The archaic way gear works is its own downfall. A lvl 70 player in i200 gear is vastly different in comparison to a ilvl300 player. Your level is practically irrelevant for anything other than skills unlocked and limiting what gear you are allowed to use. Gear flat out determines what you are capable of doing in this game instead of just augmenting overall playerskill and class skill/abilities. There are no interesting gear stat elements so you are left to just go for the "best piece". I mean I can totally see why going back to old content to get those bunny ears to make your pixels look more sexy is great and all but beyond that why would you?
There are people who enjoy this type of progression and their are people who have been complaining since 2.0... I'm guessing since SE sees the current system is mostly working and subs are still high enough that they are happy, why would you change something that is working? -
08-03-2017, 10:43 PMMaku
Gating = forced extended play time = longer subs = more money!
They couldn't get rid of gating because there would be a good few people who just finish everything in the game and full gear all their jobs in a weeks time, then those people leave till the next expansion. Heck, even someone like me who plays maybe 1 to 2 hrs a night would probably run out of stuff to collect.
It's all business. -
08-03-2017, 11:05 PMSnow_PrincessQuote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
You are looking at it at the wrong prospective. For highest level of play, playing on 1 job is too strongly encouraged, thus making all jobs on 1 character wrong. I find it really to have problems when people throw up i270 required to enter a pf when that is very overkill and shut people out when they can't get i270 because of the time gating at the time. This always repeats. You are also assuming things will be the same as in now, i/e having the current gear too strong and this is always been a problem. At lv 50, i120 became too common and abused healers just getting at 50 who could not gear because of the time gating. They could not do the DFs people expected them to do, because they could not gear well enough on what was considered the norm. At lv 60 it was i270 pfs. It is always the same thing, the same formula the same abusive gating. There is no such thing as "allows people to catch up" when you are joining the game in mid-expansion/mid-patch, you are always behind because of the time gating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
Also you are ignoring people suggesting separate caps for different roles, what you are trying to explain shows no support and no reason to have such strict time gating. I also disagree on a programing team hand hold to this degree because people can't control themselves? People are too abusive to those that do not have xilevel.
The only reason you are saying the things you are is because the game is designed around the time gating, if you did not have that, it would be designed differently, and maybe even encourage to have real content, and not depend on time gating to extend outdated content.
Something like this:
is exactly what time gating to the degree FFXIV does it causes, and forces people on 1 job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow_Princess
That is the same as now, the community expects you be on that single job you gear. Maybe not remove them completely, but something needs changing so you can be more then one job. To gear takes too long to do more then one job because of the gating. For 4.05, the time gating was so bad, Delta normal got outdated, gear wise before people could even get body gear from it. Sure have some kind of gating for "overpowered gear" but we need some kind of balance so we can gear more then one job. The bold is exactly why the gating needs to be relooked at, you have a self defeating augment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH
You ever see some of the light farming pfs when 270 gear was semi-recent? I had to change jobs often (and mix my right with healer/caster to get the 270 average) just so I can join the pf and them to turn it down because the difference of 260 and 268-270 was meaningless, and that i was a i262 healer and do fine in farming pts. Also I had to do that for lore farming too, was issue with lore farming and lights.
Why does that matter? The forums are for suggesting how to make the game better, so can we work on that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maku
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08-03-2017, 11:07 PMRoegan
I'm not sure I understand the problem in the first place. You aren't liking BLM or MCH so you suddenly want to have 330 gear for EVERY class? That escalated quickly o_O
And why do you want 330 gear for BLM or MCH- you just said you don't like those jobs so surely you don't need gear for them?
To me this issue seems less about gear and gating and more about you needing to find a job you like again, then you can gear that job and its all good. You don't need 330 gear first though. You figure out the job you like THEN get the gear. Not get the gear then figure out which one you like... -
08-03-2017, 11:23 PMTankHunter678At this point all I am hearing from you is "It's ok to invalidate all the content we have now, and all the content we will be getting in 4.1, because I want highest ilvl NOW with no effort".Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow_Princess
When you would then turn around and complain about having nothing to do because you were at the highest ilvl and have no reason to do any of the content.
310, which IS uncapped, is sufficient for any content in the game at current that is not the savage raids. It is also not hard to gear everything in that 310 gear by just grinding. Even if you start with jobs that do not share gear with other classes, or only with 1 other class. Then there is the crafted 320 set which you could go and get that then meld it how you need for an outlier class like RDM, while still using your verity/Omega normal gear for your SMN/BLM if you so wanted.
All removing the gates do is open the path of least resistance for people to burn themselves out as quick as possible and lose all reason to run any of the existing content so they then unsub and you can move onto complaining about stupid que times cause all the tanks are gone due to lacking a job (from being max ilvl already). -
08-03-2017, 11:34 PMDualgunner
I can't see gear capping as anything more than a cheap retention method, and fair dinkum to that, they need their money somehow.
That said, if I wanted to no life for gear, why should I be stopped? Almost every reason given so far exists in game already. Guess I'll just go back to Yakuza 0 between raids. -
08-03-2017, 11:47 PMArkune
OP has a fair Point.
I am one of those Players who is going to quit the game anytime soon because of this Progession Wall. I am a Veteran XI Player, and supported 1.0 until the End, i enjoyed the Speedrunning dungeons with my Friends even we hadnt any luck on Body Drops, but we atleast had our own Pace and we all could take a week off from game w/o losing anything.
While i am against the removal of Savage Content Gate, because it will prevent Raiders from maxing their Gear within a Week. I am fully for a weekly tome cap Change, either into adding tomes for each class or get rid of it.
I want to Gear my mains (DRK/RDM) equal with the highest Gear aviable expect from Savage, so the new Tome Gear will make the Deal in Terms of Ilevel (330).