Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

For Mao it is place where friends and FC mate gather to socialize and craft. Having house is funs!

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ok, but Mao could use the FC house in Goblet for the same purpose, and invite friend/FCmate in his/her private room.

The FC house has every perk a private house has, and more, and the "more" is very interesting.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I mean, there already are story based requirements.

Shirogane came out during Stormblood, which meant you needed to be at least level 62 (when the cap was 70) in order to get a house there. 1/4th of all housing slots were locked off otherwise.
Likewise getting a house in Ishgard requires you to have completed Heavensward, so level 60.

Whichever new housing district we get is likely going to require a level of at least 81, as the prime candidates are likely Sharlayan or Thavnair.

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You're not wrong but still can just buy a story skip and get access immediately and the same case will apply when 7.0 opens and we get a skip to Endwalker and higher level job skips.

Locking it behind reqs like level, gil or story progress are irrelevant because they can be acquired with your credit card. The only actual way to lock people out is setting a req behind character age or account age which I doubt will happen because the backlash would be insane.

Also, was a new district announced or are people just assuming we're getting a new one? Genuine question since I avoid LLs and the like.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

You said it right here.:



No one has any right to be pissed off at the addition of instanced housing so everyone can participate.

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"He said 'piss off a lot of people who already own houses' and since he has a house he's obviously refering to himself as well." Uh, no.

I meant those who already have several houses ie: more than 2, but I shouldn't have to explain that. (I only have 2 FYI)

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

Because more wards is a stupid idea. Also no, they don't. Do you even play this game?

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So if plots never come available, like, at all, then what good is even the lottery system? Of course last I checked there were several open plots on the data center I'm on, but I've heard that idea was too much for some people. Unhinged even.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

I know what their limitations are based on what already exists in the game whilst the server functions normally.

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So that makes you an expert on how their backend works and what loads their servers can and cannot handle during what events? Ok.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

"Throwing money," which again, is a reductive and disingenously simple way of saying "pay people who develop the game to create a solution."

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It's almost as if resources, ie: time investment, hardware necessities and the such costs money. People certainly aren't going to do it for free. And before you say "they're already paid to do it", they're paid to make the game playable. The game is playable. Everything else takes extra effort which means more resources which means more money.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

Sounds violent, like something someone unhinged would say. I never blamed you. I was giving you a thought exercise and pointing out how obviously shitty they've handled it.

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You were replying to this:

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What I offered wasn't meant to be the perfect solution, just a potential, active idea for those interested. Is it great? No, but neither is the situation at hand.

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and started with "And who's fault is that?" After randomly and falsely accusing me of taking the idea of instanced housing personally how else is that to be taken?

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

They gave everyone the lotto system as a sweeping change because they were too lazy to do anything better. This was the path of least resistance. I'm complaining about it so they address it.

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As I've said, everything you're saying here has been said almost ad infinitum for as long as housing has been in the game. They're already aware of it. If they were going to address it they already would have.

...Or we can stop with the damn band-aids and give it a complete revamp with instanced housing.

I mean just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean they never will...

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Originally Posted by Mr_Gyactus

ok, but Mao could use the FC house in Goblet for the same purpose, and invite friend/FCmate in his/her private room.

The FC house has every perk a private house has, and more, and the "more" is very interesting.

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But Mao also likes using Mao's house for this.

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Originally Posted by Joven

"I'm not calling *you* unhinged, just your ideas. Totally different, teehee." Right.

As I said to the person above, we can make all the proposed fixes we want, but until Squeenix themselves is ready to do what must be done it means nothing. What I offered wasn't meant to be the perfect solution, just a potential, active idea for those interested. Is it great? No, but neither is the situation at hand. At least I offered something you can do that's not just to continually slamming your head against the wall that is the housing market expecting it to suddenly get better. But sure, continue to scream into the void if it makes you feel better.

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It literally is different - someone smart can have a dumb idea, that doesn't mean they're dumb. I think the idea of data center transferring, especially to a foreign DC, is absolutely unhinged, and you're right, it IS an option. It's a horrible option born out of this terrible situation that Square has caused to happen. Unfortunately, we're stuck with it, cuz like you said in the part of the post I didn't quote, until Square decides to nut up, the situation is not going to be fixed but just have a bunch of bandaids applied to it. Until then, people have to either choose to not engage with housing, or keep trying (through whatever means they deem appropriate) and hope they eventually get lucky.

And sure, people aren't strictly entitled to housing just for paying a sub, surely you can understand how frustrating it is for 1. the game to constantly throw free housing items at you, and 2. housing being one of the main draws of the game and only a handful of people actually get to participate in it.

Imagine not winning a 1/4 chance lmao.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

You're not wrong but still can just buy a story skip and get access immediately and the same case will apply when 7.0 opens and we get a skip to Endwalker and higher level job skips.

Locking it behind reqs like level, gil or story progress are irrelevant because they can be acquired with your credit card. The only actual way to lock people out is setting a req behind character age or account age which I doubt will happen because the backlash would be insane.

Also, was a new district announced or are people just assuming we're getting a new one? Genuine question since I avoid LLs and the like.

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Oh I didn't mean to suggest that story based requirements make a difference, as you said, they don't.

Nothing has been confirmed yet, but if the game as another 2 or 3 expansions left in it it's almost a certainty that at least one new housing district will appear at some point.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Also, was a new district announced or are people just assuming we're getting a new one? Genuine question since I avoid LLs and the like.

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Someone posted it as a fact in the Housng subforum without providing any source other than "SE following their normal pattern" and it seems to have spread.

Of course what little pattern we've had for district additions would indicate a new one coming in 8.1, not 7.0.

To my knowledge, there's been no announcement made about additional housing beyond what will be part of the new worlds to be added later this year.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Someone posted it as a fact in the Housng subforum without providing any source other than "SE following their normal pattern" and it seems to have spread.

Of course what little pattern we've had for district additions would indicate a new one coming in 8.1, not 7.0.

To my knowledge, there's been no announcement made about additional housing beyond what will be part of the new worlds to be added later this year.

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While it'd be nice, yeah I feel like that would be a pretty big announcement.

Where even would it be? Sharlayan? Garlemald Restoration?

Wait wait wait, CAN WE HAVE A RABANASTRE RESTORATION FOR A HOUSING DISTRICT???? SQUARE PLEASE

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

While it'd be nice, yeah I feel like that would be a pretty big announcement.

Where even would it be? Sharlayan? Garlemald Restoration?

Wait wait wait, CAN WE HAVE A RABANASTRE RESTORATION FOR A HOUSING DISTRICT???? SQUARE PLEASE

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Bozja restoration.

I mean, what, are we going to inherit a blasted heath and not get to do anything with it? Especially when like Ishgard we're trying to get rid of old cultural habits?

Like, you're striking gold right there. Giant uninhabited wasteland? Look at how many houses that can fit!

Ilsabard? Pfft. Okay sure. Guys, there's a reason why Garleans made a city there. It's about as uninhabited otherwise as the northern half of Canada.

*slaps Bozja* this bad boy can fit so many players

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

It literally is different - someone smart can have a dumb idea, that doesn't mean they're dumb. I think the idea of data center transferring, especially to a foreign DC, is absolutely unhinged, and you're right, it IS an option. It's a horrible option born out of this terrible situation that Square has caused to happen. Unfortunately, we're stuck with it, cuz like you said in the part of the post I didn't quote, until Square decides to nut up, the situation is not going to be fixed but just have a bunch of bandaids applied to it. Until then, people have to either choose to not engage with housing, or keep trying (through whatever means they deem appropriate) and hope they eventually get lucky.

And sure, people aren't strictly entitled to housing just for paying a sub, surely you can understand how frustrating it is for 1. the game to constantly throw free housing items at you, and 2. housing being one of the main draws of the game and only a handful of people actually get to participate in it.

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It was always meant to be a limited item that people could aspire to attain with the market fluctuating as people lost theirs due to demos or moved to another ward. Plots were always supposed to open, but since people are greedy and were able to hoard houses because they didn't impose limits early on and the dev's need to capitulate and try to give everything to everyone through ever increasing ward capacities, they're left bailing water out of a sinking ship. It also didn't help that the population grew to what it is. It took me over 5 years just to be able to look in the direction of a house (mostly because when I started houses weren't even a thing) but even after they were it still took a good while. If I hadn't of gotten one it wouldn't have been a big deal. There's lots of things in the game I'll never get and I'm fine with that, though I agree it's dumb they keep using housing items as event rewards knowing housing is a point of contention

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Originally Posted by Joven

"He said 'piss off a lot of people who already own houses' and since he has a house he's obviously refering to himself as well." Uh, no.

I meant those who already have several houses ie: more than 2, but I shouldn't have to explain that. (I only have 2 FYI)

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You're right. I didn't have time to proofread my post before I left, and I hadn't considered that you'd try to make that point because it was never the problem in the first place. Also, that technically is basically already the case; there are just a few outliers like the people on Mateus and Dynamis.

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Originally Posted by Joven

So if plots never come available, like, at all, then what good is even the lottery system? Of course last I checked there were several open plots on the data center I'm on, but I've heard that idea was too much for some people. Unhinged even.

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What good is the lottery system? It isnt? That's what I'm saying. Neither is the ward system. They both suck. Maybe it's because you think people are upset about the smalls, exclusively; and you're disregarding anyone else. Or maybe it's because you moved to a data center no one plays on, and you expect everyone else to abandon their friends or FC, because if they don't then they simply aren't taking it seriously enough. Go to a literal foreign data center and deal with foreign ping so you can get a shot at a small. Spectacular, really, and not at all desperate.

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Originally Posted by Joven

So that makes you an expert on how their backend works and what loads their servers can and cannot handle during what events? Ok.

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I know enough to know that it's working properly. What's more hilarious is that just as many people are saying "buh nuh servers" whilst also allegedly being just as clueless about it as I am.

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Originally Posted by Joven

It's almost as if resources, ie: time investment, hardware necessities and the such costs money. People certainly aren't going to do it for free. And before you say "they're already paid to do it", they're paid to make the game playable. The game is playable. Everything else takes extra effort which means more resources which means more money.

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You truly are out of your mind if you think they're breaking even on Final Fantasy XIV. It's their most profitable game. They literally just made a shoddy port of Gaia's outfit on the mogstation to sell for whatever much a pop; and they re-used assets in Endwalker for quite a lot of gear. You really think they're doing their best? Or do you think it's actually a good thing that they're so awful they use it to keep themselves afloat and nothing else?

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Originally Posted by Joven

You were replying to this:

and started with "And who's fault is that?" After randomly and falsely accusing me of taking the idea of instanced housing personally how else is that to be taken?

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The "whos fault is that" is directed at SE. Because it's their fault. I've never held anyone else responsible, not even RMTers or people who hold multiple houses, unlike you. Them acting like sociopaths about it and exacerbating the problem slightly doesn't mean they're the reason people can't find plots. Mainly because they actually aren't the problem, and it's the ward system itself.

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Originally Posted by Joven

As I've said, everything you're saying here has been said almost ad infinitum for as long as housing has been in the game. They're already aware of it. If they were going to address it they already would have.

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That's too bad then. Maybe they should take the feedback and address it and make it clear how passive and apathetic they are to how everyone feels about it, so everyone gets a clearer picture about where and how they should be spending their money. They've yet to address it in 2023, post lottery or post 6.3, but since they've opted to try something new and its clear it's unsustainable, it's worth talking about. Also, I'm not going to stop.

I'm mostly just upset that the person who won the house I bid on over me still hasn't claimed it.

I wish unclaimed bids had their lottery redrawn but instead it's going to end up going up for lottery again if it goes unclaimed and instead of being against 2 other people, I'm going to be against everyone who didn't win before who wants to bid on one of the only remaining houses free in the server.

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Originally Posted by Joven

It was always meant to be a limited item that people could aspire to attain with the market fluctuating as people lost theirs due to demos or moved to another ward. Plots were always supposed to open, but since people are greedy and were able to hoard houses because they didn't impose limits early on and the dev's need to capitulate and try to give everything to everyone through ever increasing ward capacities, they're left bailing water out of a sinking ship. It also didn't help that the population grew to what it is. It took me over 5 years just to be able to look in the direction of a house (mostly because when I started houses weren't even a thing) but even after they were it still took a good while. If I hadn't of gotten one it wouldn't have been a big deal. There's lots of things in the game I'll never get and I'm fine with that, though I agree it's dumb they keep using housing items as event rewards knowing housing is a point of contention

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We're on the same page here. Like I said earlier, it's an awful situation by Square's own design. It just sucks that the players have to either keep beating their heads on a wall or resort to less than ideal solutions.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Bozja restoration.

I mean, what, are we going to inherit a blasted heath and not get to do anything with it? Especially when like Ishgard we're trying to get rid of old cultural habits?

Like, you're striking gold right there. Giant uninhabited wasteland? Look at how many houses that can fit!

Ilsabard? Pfft. Okay sure. Guys, there's a reason why Garleans made a city there. It's about as uninhabited otherwise as the northern half of Canada.

*slaps Bozja* this bad boy can fit so many players

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"Welcome to scenic Bozja! Here you can see the blasted ruins of the old hrothgar capital city! Feel free to explore a post-nuke abandoned land! Don't forget your full body PPE gear though, don't want anyone catching aether cancer from the nuked landscape!"

I couldn't disagree more with this OP. Having lived through that system for many many years, this system is leagues above and better. The only way to combat the bots was to have multiple clickers (for FC only), a bot yourself, or pure luck.

This system is completely fair. It's a random roll and sometimes we lose. It hurts, it sucks, but the answer isn't to ask for a horrible system to be reinstated, it's to toughen up and try again or ask for better options in the game (upgrading apartments, more wards (they're doing that), or w/e that isn't the old system).

With this new system, I know dozens of people who never owned a home in this game now are new home owners. They never had a chance with the old system. This new system has opened up housing more than previous system ever did, from my experience.

I'm sincerely sorry for everyone who lost. It's upsetting and I wish everyone could win, but trying to pull that awful ugly system back is not the answer.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

We're on the same page here. Like I said earlier, it's an awful situation by Square's own design. It just sucks that the players have to either keep beating their heads on a wall or resort to less than ideal solutions.

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If everyone was on the same page and they realize it's Square Enix's fault, and Square Enix's problem to fix, then we're on the same page. Moving to a foreign DC isn't a solution, its an act of desperation that doesn't even necessarily guarantee results, and exists as a detriment to every other facet of the game. There's a difference between a treatment and a cure, and more wards are barely a relief and definitely not a cure.

Saying it's "meant to be limited" sucks. Everyone gets housing items, and everyone can technically put them in an apartment, and it being limited in the first place being a bad decision. It's not immersive, it's annoying.

This is why I keep suggesting instanced housing. It's the only way for people to guarantee a use of those items. It already exists in the form of apartments, they just suck because they're small, and they lack an exterior, which technically doesn't have to be in an outside zone people walk past.

Square can solve the problem. They need to talk about it.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

You're right. I didn't have time to proofread my post before I left, and I hadn't considered that you'd try to make that point because it was never the problem in the first place. Also, that technically is basically already the case; there are just a few outliers like the people on Mateus and Dynamis.

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House hoarding isn't part of the shortage problem? Sure it isn't. It's not like there haven't been threads posted on here with people showing entire wards owned by single individuals across multiple servers or anything. Nah, that couldn't be part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

What good is the lottery system? It isnt? That's what I'm saying. Neither is the ward system. They both suck. Maybe it's because you think people are upset about the smalls, exclusively; and you're disregarding anyone else.

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The lottery system seems to be working for a lot of people and if other people really, really want a house like they claim then they should care about the smalls. Just because they're not the "ideal" house they are often disregarded.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

Or maybe it's because you moved to a data center no one plays on, and you expect everyone else to abandon their friends or FC, because if they don't then they simply aren't taking it seriously enough. Go to a literal foreign data center and deal with foreign ping so you can get a shot at a small. Spectacular, really, and not at all desperate.

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My server is one of the most populated on the data center and I haven't had any issue with any content since transfering. I also never told anyone to abandon anything if they didn't want to and by the way, I have a medium and a small so make of that what you will.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

I know enough to know that it's working properly. What's more hilarious is that just as many people are saying "buh nuh servers" whilst also allegedly being just as clueless about it as I am.

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So basically you know diddly and are just full of hot air.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

You truly are out of your mind if you think they're breaking even on Final Fantasy XIV. It's their most profitable game. They literally just made a shoddy port of Gaia's outfit on the mogstation to sell for whatever much a pop; and they re-used assets in Endwalker for quite a lot of gear. You really think they're doing their best? Or do you think it's actually a good thing that they're so awful they use it to keep themselves afloat and nothing else?

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And most of their profits get pulled into other projects. XIV pretty much keeps Sqeenix afloat.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

The "whos fault is that" is directed at SE. Because it's their fault. I've never held anyone else responsible, not even RMTers or people who hold multiple houses, unlike you. Them acting like sociopaths about it and exacerbating the problem slightly doesn't mean they're the reason people can't find plots. Mainly because they actually aren't the problem, and it's the ward system itself.

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The ward system is inherently fine. It was the initial inception which is the problem when they didn't limit the number of houses people could own to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

That's too bad then. Maybe they should take the feedback and address it and make it clear how passive and apathetic they are to how everyone feels about it, so everyone gets a clearer picture about where and how they should be spending their money. They've yet to address it in 2023, post lottery or post 6.3, but since they've opted to try something new and its clear it's unsustainable, it's worth talking about. Also, I'm not going to stop.

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As long as people keep subscribing and logging in then to them everything is fine.

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Originally Posted by Joven

House hoarding isn't part of the shortage problem? Sure it isn't. It's not like there haven't been threads posted on here with people showing entire wards owned by single individuals across multiple servers or anything. Nah, that couldn't be part of the problem.

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I love how sarcastic you are about it. Have you bothered to check the house bid counts and the amounts per size and per plot? No, the few wards in one or two zones a couple of shitty people managed to destroy on Mateus, and likely one other server in particular are not the reason. Key word is "part." Thats why I used the word "outlier." They're not empathetic about it, and it doesn't help, but it would still be roughly about as bad even if they weren't there. Hilariously, maybe the reason Square Enix turns a blind eye to them is because they pay their subs; which should be further proof to you that they simply don't care as long as they make more money. Perhaps not the kind of community you should try to foster?

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Originally Posted by Joven

The lottery system seems to be working for a lot of people and if other people really, really want a house like they claim then they should care about the smalls. Just because they're not the "ideal" house they are often disregarded.

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That's because smalls suck, and people actually don't want them almost as much as they don't want apartments. Their decoration count is pitiful and they afford little to no space for more complex building. Something not being "ideal" shouldn't be the objective when you have the ability to make it "ideal.

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Originally Posted by Joven

My server is one of the most populated on the data center and I haven't had any issue with any content since transfering. I also never told anyone to abandon anything if they didn't want to and by the way, I have a medium and a small so make of that what you will.

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I'm sure everyone on either coast of the US would have spectacular ping on Oceanic and European servers. Smalls aren't worth transferring to another datacenter over for, that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by Joven

So basically you know diddly and are just full of hot air.

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That means everyone you previously cited as reliable as to why instanced housing can't work also is a clueless, stupid idiot and doesn't know anything.

What's worse? Saying "respond to this horrible problem and/or fix it" or saying "They cant fix it!!! this guy in the thread made shit up so no money would fall out of SE's pocket!"

At least I bothered to do the math and look?

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Originally Posted by Joven

And most of their profits get pulled into other projects. XIV pretty much keeps Sqeenix afloat.

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So it's their fault?

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Originally Posted by Joven

The ward system is inherently fine. It was the initial inception which is the problem when they didn't limit the number of houses people could own to begin with.

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No? There aren't enough houses for everyone, and there aren't enough houses in the sizes people want them to be. So it isn't fine, it sucks. This is a video-game. When things aren't fun about it, it's bad. If I wanted a similar experience and thought it'd be fun, I'd entertain myself by throwing some dice in an alley.

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Originally Posted by Joven

As long as people keep subscribing and logging in then to them everything is fine.

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That's what I mean by "how and where they should be spending their money." Eventually they'll stop. If you've played for long enough, you'll also realize they've continuously added less and less with each expansion beginning with Heavensward, despite charging the same price, in both assets and content. Housing isn't the only thing they're being cheap about. Far from it. The game grows almost exclusively due to it's community and the writing.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

"I have been trying to get a house for longer than you so I deserve it more than you" This sentiment makes me even more glad the lottery was added to put everyone on equal footing with winning a house. If you meet the requirements and have the gil to purchase there should be no other barriers from letting you try and purchase one.

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Sure it's equal, bots or people buying gil and winning your desired plot. Great system.

Bad idea, yes. But they certainly managed worse with their previous iteration. I consider it an improvement, with still a long way away before it's something remotely ideal.

So long as houses are limited, any system they implement to try and ration them out is going to feel like trash to the people who can't get one. Only actual, proper solution is instanced housing. Or automatically expanding wards or something I guess.

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So basically your whole schtick is that Squeenix isn't giving you everything you want up front and you're pouting, as evidenced by

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That's because smalls suck, and people actually don't want them almost as much as they don't want apartments.

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There is literally no need for anything more than a small really. Larger houses offer no benefit outside of a larger gil sink and ego. They offer no additional benefits. If you really wanted a house you wouldn't have such disdain for smalls.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

So long as houses are limited, any system they implement to try and ration them out is going to feel like trash to the people who can't get one. Only actual, proper solution is instanced housing. Or automatically expanding wards or something I guess.

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I think this is one thing to keep in mind, the system will (never) 'not be trash' whilst exclusivity is a thing. Where one person wins another will always lose. Whilst housing is a limited resource there is not really a good implementation that they can do - None of their previous iterations were any better than this, and to be frank, they were all worse.

Best it is make the 1 house binding to the account. Can not ever be enough for all the chara but it helping problem.

Guildhall can be the instance. As guild get strongest can get the upgrade from lodge to castle to floating city. Prevent the chara from lock many of house into 1 chara guild.

Also make the Garlemald town like the Wurlt. It have the steam and the factory and the car park.

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Originally Posted by Joven

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Your shtick is that you pay them to play and they use it to fund crap that doesn't take off and they put barely any of it back into the game, which makes you a sucker. If they profit so much from FFXIV, the expectation should be that they make FFXIV better. I would be doing the same thing if I owned a large house, just like I was against placard spamming despite always owning one. I'm thankfully not an asshole, so I can care about things that aren't just myself. Which is why I'm personally not interested in relief that simply affords me or a select few other people a chance to get a house they want, and more of one that allows anyone to decorate any size they want; because that would serve everyone.

You can direct that sentiment to everyone who wants a larger house, your egotistical-self included, since you have a medium.

All houses offer no benefit to the game's other content outside of the garden you put in the front, which was another facet of why they should be accessible to everyone, including people who want a large and have the gil to pay for it; who would then get to use 3 of them at once as opposed to 1 (so technically, you're incorrect).
In addition to FC housing, which actually has no benefit to perservering on larger houses, since the company workshop is functionally the same. And again, mostly benefits itself as a content island in that an absolute ton of sub items are minions and other aesthetics like furnishings (for a house.) Or selling those things for money. Whoops? Articulating it for like 10 seconds there made me find another reason how it actually does affect shit! Who knew?

Outside of the more obvious shit, like the decoration and size limits? You know there's no actual reason the inside has to match the size of the outside too, right?

That was never in dispute. But acting like because it's not necessary to do anything else doesn't mean its not important or that it should be disregarded. It's pretentious and disingenous at best that you think that people who don't want smalls should be satisfied with them when this doesn't have to be the case.

You also didn't disprove a single thing I said, all you did was try to psycho-analyze me. Kind of unhinged of you. Also more unhinged of you to change servers and then accuse people of pouting when they aren't content with SE not half-assing everything. Perhaps that's why it was so easy for you to leave.

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So long as houses are limited, any system they implement to try and ration them out is going to feel like trash to the people who can't get one. Only actual, proper solution is instanced housing. Or automatically expanding wards or something I guess.

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Problem is not only a limited supply but allowing anyone to bid on one. I use larges as the best example but nearly all the large FC got eaten up by personal or shell FCs, despite bidders with legitimate FCs. Unlucky? Sure. Bullshit broken system? Absolutely, that should NOT be allowed.

They need to do what Anarchy Online did. Current ward system with whatever stupid buy system they want but also instanced housing (in AO instanced was also cheaper). Then give players the option to move their ward spot to an instanced one and vise-versa.

This gives everyone what they want and lets SE keep the illusion of active wards.

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Your shtick is that you pay them to play and they use it to fund crap that doesn't take off and they put barely any of it back into the game, which makes you a sucker.

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Which is what you're also doing, but OK. If the game got to a stage where I was unhappy with it then I would quit. It's just that simple.

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If they profit so much from FFXIV, the expectation should be that they make FFXIV better. I would be doing the same thing if I owned a large house, just like I was against placard spamming despite always owning one. I'm thankfully not an asshole, so I can care about things that aren't just myself.

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Expectations and reality often never meet. That's just the size of it.

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You can direct that sentiment to everyone who wants a larger house, your egotistical-self included, since you have a medium.

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It was there, I was there, I had the money and bingo. I didn't go into it expecting a medium or any house and it wouldn't have bothered me if I hadn't gotten one at all. Circumstance doesn't equate ego. Going into it expecting to get one and then getting pissy when you don't kinda does though. If the medium wasn't an FC house I would sell it and use my small, but that's not how the system works.

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All houses offer no benefit to the game's other content outside of the garden you put in the front, which was another facet of why they should be accessible to everyone, including people who want a large and have the gil to pay for it; who would then get to use 3 of them at once as opposed to 1 (so technically, you're incorrect). In addition to FC housing, which actually has no benefit to perservering on larger houses, since the company workshop is functionally the same; and again, mostly benefits itself as a content island in that an absolute ton of sub items are minions and other aesthetics like furnishings (for a house.) Or selling it for money.

That was never in dispute. But acting like because it's not necessary to do anything else doesn't mean its not important or that it should be disregarded. It's pretentious and disingenous at best that you think that people who don't want smalls should be satisfied with them when this doesn't have to be the case.

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I never said it should be disregarded, but to openly scorn and disregard the majority of housing units because you personally think they suck is also pretentious and disengenous. As much as the old system sucked at least if you had a small you had a chance for an upgrade, but that wasn't good enough either apparently.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

Also more unhinged of you to change servers and then accuse people of pouting when they aren't content with SE not half-assing everything. Perhaps that's why it was so easy for you to leave.

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Ah, a ninja edited dig.

You nothing about why I transfered servers, but please, do continue making assumptions.

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Which is what you're also doing, but OK. If the game got to a stage where I was unhappy with it then I would quit. It's just that simple.

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So the most desirable outcome is anyone who is unhappy with it should quit and unsub without saying anything. Smart.

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Expectations and reality often never meet. That's just the size of it.

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This is good how? What do you think feedback is for?

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It was there, I was there, I had the money and bingo. I didn't go into it expecting a medium or any house and it wouldn't have bothered me if I hadn't gotten one at all. Circumstance doesn't equate ego. Going into it expecting to get one and then getting pissy when you don't kinda does though. If the medium wasn't an FC house I would sell it and use my small, but that's not how the system works.

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You were allegedly there because you deliberately moved to a foreign DC for the purposes of getting a house. But I still think you're a cool cat for pretending it wasn't a big deal to you.
There's also no benefit to owning a medium as an FC. You said it yourself. It's just ego. You spent the extra gil for nothing; not knowing about the gardening, I guess. That's not ego? Maybe you should choose your words a little more carefully instead of having an image problem about how seriously you take it because you want to appear stoic or something. I'm not interested in your fan club.

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I never said it should be disregarded, but to openly scorn and disregard the majority of housing units because you personally think they suck is also pretentious and disengenous. As much as the old system sucked at least if you had a small you had a chance for an upgrade, but that wasn't good enough either apparently.

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Jesus Christ. You're acting like I hurt the small's feelings. Do you want me to write an apology?
It's pretentious to say they suck when they objectively have less space and lower decoration limits? It's not disingeous to insinuate that people who aren't happy given that fact should just be happy they get to have anything at all? Do you know what the words I use mean?

I literally don't care about the old system and I would prefer if we stop talking about it because almost everyone seems to agree that the lottery is better, but the fact of the matter is is that it still sucks. The previous system supported RMT and house-trading and house-flipping. That's far less than ideal. I personally think relocation was fine, even in spite of that because I'd be capable of it due to the fact that I was willing to placard spam, and of the net 0 effect I'd have on land for relocating; but obviously they're both objectively bad because of the fact that people are displeased about the size distribution. I'd still be here talking shit about it even if placardspam/relo was still here, because there'd be an influx of people playing who simply can't participate in this part of the game.

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Ah, a ninja edited dig.

You nothing about why I transfered servers, but please, do continue making assumptions.

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You already told us why you transferred. I'm joking with you, but you want to be a cynic and assume anyone who is dissatisfied is just selfish and entitled if they dare to talk about it. If you'd refrain from white knighting the million dollar company by personally attacking people and making stupid assumptions about them as well, maybe someone in North America would've let you decorate their small house.

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So the most desirable outcome is anyone who is unhappy with it should quit and unsub without saying anything. Smart.



This is good how? What do you think feedback is for?

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When did I ever say you should never say anything? The point is if it seems like they are moving in a direction you don't like no matter what you say then throwing a hissy fit serves no purpose. Your best bet is to just cut your losses.

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You were allegedly there because you deliberately moved to a foreign DC for the purposes of getting a house. But I still think you're a cool cat for pretending it wasn't a big deal to you.
There's also no benefit to owning a medium as an FC. You said it yourself. It's just ego. You spent the extra gil for nothing; not knowing about the gardening, I guess. That's not ego? Maybe you should choose your words a little more carefully instead of having an image problem about how seriously you take it because you want to appear stoic or something. I'm not interested in your fan club.

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I guess that one was on me not being specific. My friends were the ones who transfered for the housing and they convinced me to come along. To me housing was just a side interest. All I wanted was to play with my friends. So the reasoning is the same, but the target was not. My bad.

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Jesus Christ. You're acting like I hurt the small's feelings. Do you want me to write an apology?

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It's pretentious to say they suck when they objectively have less space and lower decoration limits? It's not disingeous to insinuate that people who aren't happy given that fact should just be happy they get to have anything at all? Do you know what the words I use mean?

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So you have a 1 in 25 million chance to win 1 of 3 prizes but because one of those prizes isn't quite as good as the others you complain. That is pretentious. It's like winning 10 million dollars and complaining because it's not 200 million.

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When did I ever say you should never say anything? The point is if it seems like they are moving in a direction you don't like no matter what you say then throwing a hissy fit serves no purpose. Your best bet is to just cut your losses.

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You imply it by continuously asserting that any actual solution is impossible and by misappropriating it to a small subset of people who take up a relatively also small subset of space considering all of the wards. Collectively, everyone does that by being a contrarian and defending their insular forum community from any kind of feedback just because you believe it will never do anything (which it does, and can, i.e male Viera.

No. Though I'm fine with unsubbing. I'm personally fine with signal boosting and encouraging people to talk about it here as well as other platforms, as well as the validity of their concerns whilst people like you and the other guy who insinuated it was entitlement a few pages back exist.

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I guess that one was on me not being specific. My friends were the ones who transfered for the housing and they convinced me to come along. To me housing was just a side interest. All I wanted was to play with my friends. So the reasoning is the same, but the target was not. My bad.

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Did you give them this talk too? Why didn't they just buy apartments?

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Yes.

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Dear FINAL FANTASY XIV SMALL HOUSE,
I have never in my life made a mistake of this magnitude. My depth of my personal regret and mortification is only exceeded by the remorse I feel for how my actions have affected FINAL FANTASY XIV SMALL HOUSE.

Please accept my sincere apology. I have learned so much from this incident, especially in regard to how I should conduct myself in the future. For example, {changes}.

If there is any way that I can make amends, please don't hesitate to let me know. For example, {suggestion}. It won't be easy to atone for such a huge error, but I am determined to do my best.

Sincerely,

Corvus

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What if I just divorce the smalls and take the kids instead?

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So you have a 1 in 25 million chance to win 1 of 3 prizes but because one of those prizes isn't as good as the others you complain. That is pretentious. It's like winning 10 million dollars and complaining because it's not 200 million.

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No, it's like winning nothing, since you have to pay for it. Similarly, it's like winning nothing but paying more when you obtain a medium or large house. You don't actually win anything at all, because you pay for the experience. It's part of what you pay for; and just something we aren't getting because SE isn't handling it the way they should.
The disingenuous part is referring to you saying smalls are as good when it's clear due to the openings people don't want them, in the same way they don't want apartments because of how small they are. Both allow you to use indoor furnishings, but they're undesirable because of the low decoration count, and low amount of space you can even use to decorate it. I promise you that the difference isn't the fact that you can place approximately 20 items outside.

The pretentious part of what you said prior was that you said there "was no benefit to owning anything larger than a small" which was both factually incorrect on a technical level and practically incorrect in the fact that it isn't as fun to decorate one because of the limitations, and you're acting like they are the same as larger sized houses when they are not.
I really don't feel like I should continue to dignify this train of thought because its ridiculous. You're misappropriating participating in something that you pay for as a privilege rather than a purchasing a service, and winning instead of earning.

You can also only participate in one lottery at a time. So it's like paying 15$ to participate in any lottery whatsoever, and opting to go for the one that rewards you with a -checks notes- something no one wants because it's bad as opposed to potentially winning 200 million, or whatever, like you said.
It might even be best if, when you think about it, there was no lottery or gambling at all, and everyone could just own what they can afford since this is a video-game.

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You imply it by continuously asserting that any actual solution is impossible and by misappropriating it to a small subset of people who take up a relatively also small subset of space considering all of the wards. Collectively, everyone does that by being a contrarian and defending their insular forum community from any kind of feedback just because you believe it will never do anything (which it does, and can, i.e male Viera.

No. Though I'm fine with unsubbing. I'm personally fine with signal boosting and encouraging people to talk about it here as well as other platforms, as well as the validity of their concerns whilst people like you and the other guy who insinuated it was entitlement a few pages back exist.

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Once again, never said impossible, just unlikely and the odds that they weren't going to add male viera in the future were already low so, bad example.

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What if I just divorce the smalls and take the kids instead?

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Only if they get half of your gil plus alimony and I get a sizable retainer fee for being their representative.

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Did you give them this talk too? Why didn't they just buy apartments?

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Didn't need to because they went where the houses were instead of insisting there were none to be had.

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The disingenuous part is referring to you saying smalls are as good when it's clear due to the openings people don't want them, in the same way they don't want apartments because of how small they are. Both allow you to use indoor furnishings, but they're undesirable because of the low decoration count, and low amount of space you can even use to decorate it. I promise you that the difference isn't the fact that you can place approximately 20 items outside.

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Again, if they REALLY wanted a house a small would suffice. Then once that's secure, go for a larger one.

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I really don't feel like I should continue to dignify this train of thought because its ridiculous. You're misappropriating participating in something that you pay for as a privilege rather than a purchasing a service, and winning instead of earning.

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Being able to afford the monthly fee plus price of expansions while also having the time to play IS a privilege. Not everybody has that luxury. You also act like that $15 a month nets you everything the game has to offer. If that were the case then we shouldn't have to pay for each expansion when they come out.

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It might even be best if, when you think about it, there was no lottery or gambling at all, and everyone could just own what they can afford since this is a video-game.

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You're right, this is a video game and as such it is bound by its creator's vision for how they want things to be. If they had wanted everyone to just own what they could afford then they would have made it that way from the start.

Love this game but definitely the last square-enix game I will ever play. Don't like the idea that the money I put into this game goes to others.

Instanced Housing with FC plots would be a gold mine for the Shells and gil sellers. These people have enough plots as is, giving them functionally infinite plots would drive gil inflation through the roof.

What you need to do is significantly tighten the restrictions on FC's buying homes to the point where creating Shells wouldn't be viable (MSQ completion up to and including 6.0 would suffice), clear out the existing shells as a matter of principle, and (maybe) raise the amount of gil required for a plot. 3 million is easily obtainable if you have any experience with crafting.

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Once again, never said impossible, just unlikely and the odds that they weren't going to add male viera in the future were already low so, bad example.

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It's actually a decent example, but their absence was actually probably just something that translated well into Japan, so they complained about it there as well.

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Didn't need to because they did the smart thing and went where the houses were instead of insisting there were none to be had.

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Yeah alright. As if you weren't just making light of owning one in the first place earlier. They didn't have to go to a foreign DC to own one if all they got was a small anyway, so maybe it wasn't that smart after all.

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Only if they get half of your gil plus alimony and I get a sizable retainer fee for being their representative.

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Prenup. I take everything. The small just gets 3m or something. Or nothing if I go to Dynamis.

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Again, if they REALLY wanted a house a small would suffice. Then once that's secure, go for a larger one.

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The small doesn't suffice, whether you secure one or not, that's the argument and the reason they're going unpurchased.

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Being able to afford the monthly fee plus price of expansions while also having the time to play IS a privilege. Not everybody has that luxury. You also act like that $15 a month nets you everything the game has to offer. If that were the case then we shouldn't have to pay for each expansion when they come out.

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It's not a privilege to pay for something just because some people can't afford it. The playerbase doesn't need to be grateful, the creators should be grateful there's a playerbase. That's how they can also afford to waste it elsewhere. You can pay 15$ a month to continue playing even after the expac comes out whether you buy it or not, so that's a weird example; since it's an extra, seperate purchase. If they opted to make instanced houses seperate I'm sure people would pay for that.

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You're right, this is a video game and as such it is bound by its creator's vision for how they want things to be. If they had wanted everyone to just own what they could afford then they would have made it that way from the start.

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If this is the vision, the creator is blind and a sadist.
Also no, a neighborhood feeling is something that sounds great in theory. I can actually understand why they'd want to make something like that because on paper it sounds comfortable. Unfortunately, that's as far as it goes. Like describing a fire as warm, until you find out its burning your house to the floor, no pun intended.

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That's the only part of the goblet that looks nice. If you have a small in that area good for you. The rest of the goblet is trash-looking and I really don't understand why anyone likes a brown background. I guess this is just my opinion. If you and others like the goblet more power to you but I don't and I know a lot of ppl who feel the same way as me.

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