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Originally Posted by Meowdyj

This was clear from the start. Their entire division was only responsible for maintaining FF XI and FF XIV before the development of FF XVI. It's an empty promise and weird statement to make when you know how much time and resources it takes to design en develop triple A games thesedays. Final Fantasy is one of the core structures for Square Enix. It is important for them that a brand new title in the series will be a success. For that reason alone him saying it won't interfere with FF XIV is unreasonable.

The release of FF XVI is only three months away. Going forward, I honestly don't see room for quality improvement before that time. After June/July (as I expect them to still be busy with FF XVI after release) the focus will most likely be on the new expansion for FF XIV. With that in mind the changes we desire for this game will have to wait until 7.0.

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By saying this, I would only guess that maybe EW won't end with 6.5? And a new expansion sadly, wouldn't come until much much later than usual?

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Originally Posted by Tulvi

I personally absolutely love the new relic design, so a hard disagree. Who enjoys grind, they have Eureka and Bozja.
I’m quite surprised with all the backlash on these forums against EW. I haven’t seen an MMO with this frequent content updates and variety of things to do, while it does not feel overwhelming or would make old content obsolete.
Whether it’s Crystaline, Island Sanctuaries, Criterion Dungeons, Savage, Extremes, Ultimates, Unreals, new housing items, new jumping puzzle in GS, doubled glam dresser slots or a fair housing lottery, everything works as a perfect mix for me.

The only thing I’d change is the Deep Dungeon. I personally dislike any trace of Allagan aesthetic, so after just clearing 30 floors, I’m not coming back to that. Luckily, there’s still plenty of other things to do as this MMO (thanks god) doesn’t revolve around endgame content as toxic WoW does.

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As others have pointed out, most of the things they have added have no staying power. You do them once or twice then never look at them again. Crystalline feels bad to try and rank up in because of the games netcode and lag. Island Sanctuaries you visit for 5 minutes a week to manage your spreadsheet. Criterion dungeons have no reason to do them more then once. Housing items with a crud housing system where most people can't get a house in the first place. I think you get the point.

Personally, I feel the gameplay and combat design is what really needs to be improved upon. Battle content has to have more of a middle ground that isn't just a raid. As someone else here mentioned, gear progression does not feel good at all tbh. Part of an RPG is to feel your character progressing and growing stronger. But that aspect of gameplay here is stagnant unfortunately. I also would like to say we need more things to do in open world. Another thread mentioned how fates are pretty limited and there isn't much interactions among players because everything is in an instanced dungeon or raid. Open world feels too safe, and I feel if they improved a but more upon those things I would tremendously be happy.

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Originally Posted by Elucesta

Personally, I feel the gameplay and combat design is what really needs to be improved upon. Battle content has to have more of a middle ground that isn't just a raid. As someone else here mentioned, gear progression does not feel good at all tbh. Part of an RPG is to feel your character progressing and growing stronger. But that aspect of gameplay here is stagnant unfortunately. I also would like to say we need more things to do in open world. Another thread mentioned how fates are pretty limited and there isn't much interactions among players because everything is in an instanced dungeon or raid. Open world feels too safe, and I feel if they improved a but more upon those things I would tremendously be happy.

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I kind of agree, when combat has become as safe and boring as it has now the faults of content like dungeons and ally raids only become more apparent, because it is quite literally missing the other half of it that makes it engaging: combat and job design.

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Originally Posted by Elucesta

By saying this, I would only guess that maybe EW won't end with 6.5? And a new expansion sadly, wouldn't come until much much later than usual?

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EW ended with 6.0 story wise and 6.5/55 will be the end as per usual nothing is changing in their patch cycle. They did a presentation in Feb 2022 labeled at the next 10 years, pretty much-confirmed patches are pushed back 2 weeks at least 3 at most if it falls on a public holiday so staff get a much-needed break. The expansion I believe will be around march-may sort of window as it will always land a few months after the Japan Fanfest which is coming like the first week of January. In regards to an earlier post of yours I wouldn't put much weight to people saying Yoshi P hasn't had much time for 14 cause of 16 because as a producer he doesn't have to do as much as you think he does...he's also on the board of directors and is in charge of dragon quest online and technically in charge of FF11 while that still exists. He is head of his business division...he is given the role cause he can't produce results and 14 is their golden goose.

The majority of his time will be on 14, yes 16 is nearing its release so he just does a media tour like he does when a 14 expansion comes out. Hes going to be doing 3 fanfests in the year...people need to really read what roles are within a company and what it entails...producers don't do active development on a game unless he himself wants to or approaches it that way. He handpicked his director and team because he knows they will get the job done in a timely manner.

I can also sign, that the amount of lasting content is getting less and less with each patch, and I've been saying this not since the release of Endwalker, but the release of Shadowbringers.

I also agree that Yoshi-P is being a massive hypocrite, saying that we should just take a break, while at the same time taking players' houses hostage, forcing them to sub if they don't want to lose a major piece of endgame content, which could be fixed by simply implementing instanced housing.

All those people with their ridiculous, passive-aggressive "Touch some grass" or "Go for a walk" arguments can also stick those where the sun doesn't shine.
Maybe you don't own a house, maybe you do and it's not that important to you, but the vast majority of house owning players value their house a LOT and don't want to lose it just because they unsubbed.

And lastly: some people don't WANT to unsub. They WANT to play the game and are starving for long lasting content.
Playing other games might not be an alternative, because some people simply don't like other games aside from FFXIV.

I for example want to play an MMO. Nothing else. I want to play in a large world, with other people.
I've tried Ragnarök Online, Silkroad Online, Aion, Tera, Fiesta, Runescape, Guild Wars 2, World of Warcraft, and all of them sucked in comparison to FFXIV Stormblood, and I've played all those MMOs at least for 6 months.

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

Well hmmm they never should of pulled Yoshida to make a single player FF game like the past 2 that failed. This is why I say SE deserves to fail since they can never get their priorities straight.

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You speak like SE doesnt/can't put out good single player games. Also what last 2 FF games failed? 7 Remake? That's a bold lie lol Crisis Core Remake? Also a lie. Both very successful games.
I don't ever say a company deserves to fail because there's thousands of innocent people that would effect. People will still be complaining when Yoshi P returns full time anyways.

Also to address something I always see no one is forced to do anything in xiv. You know how housing works. You have the CHOICE to stay subbed for your home. I don't get to say "oh Neflix is forcing me to to keep my subscription if I want to keep access to my shows/movies". I don't get to say they're holding my account hostage. Just like Netflix I don't really own anything in xiv. Once those services go down that stuff goes *poof*. So people need to stop acting like you have to go against your will to keep a house. You know the rules, you always have the freedom of choice, point blank period.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

As others have pointed out, most of the things they have added have no staying power. You do them once or twice then never look at them again. Crystalline feels bad to try and rank up in because of the games netcode and lag. Island Sanctuaries you visit for 5 minutes a week to manage your spreadsheet. Criterion dungeons have no reason to do them more then once. Housing items with a crud housing system where most people can't get a house in the first place. I think you get the point.

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Yes, I get the point, but it does not apply to me. I appreciate Island Sanctuaries for what they are - a place to chill.
Housing lottery is also a welcomed feature for me, as it’s fair and we don’t have to outclick RMT bots anymore.
Also not sure about what should feel bad about trying to rank up in Crystaline. I usually spam it for two days towards the end of current season and easily rank up to max or at least the gear reward step.

It sucks if for many people EW feels like it’s lacking content, but somehow it’s not my case. I would truly change maybe only 5% of EW content, the rest absolutely clicks with my gaming style. Whenever I feel like hardcore raiding, I can do it and not fall behind on casual content. Also works vice versa - if I feel like spamming Good Saucer for two weeks, I don’t have to be afraid I’m missing out on some supposed “endgame” content.

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Originally Posted by Selsix

Claiming someone doesn't go outside is an insult, yes.

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it's also ableism.

Owning a house is endgame content? Since when? A lot of people treat a house in this game the same way people treat the mentor crown as a symbol of status. To the point they don't decorate their house. Or if they do they don't go inside of it and just afk somewhere else. Only to step inside and do a quick interaction with something inside to reset the timer.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I don't get to say "oh Neflix is forcing me to to keep my subscription if I want to keep access to my shows/movies".

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You always just completely miss the point. Your analogy doesn't even compare. Digital or not, it's still something we consider we own on some level. Are you saying you'd be fine if your accounts were just deleted today?

It's more like unsubbing from Netflix and then you lost your favorite movies and shows it took years to obtain. When you re-sub you go to buy them again but Netflix decided to implement a lottery with artificial limited FOMO.

You're probably not the owner of your FC Large, because you completely lack any empathy for other people's concerns. Ask your FC Lead how it would feel to unsub for 4 months.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Owning a house is endgame content? Since when? A lot of people treat a house in this game the same way people treat the mentor crown as a symbol of status. To the point they don't decorate their house. Or if they do they don't go inside of it and just afk somewhere else. Only to step inside and do a quick interaction with something inside to reset the timer.

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There are a lot of people in XIV that play just for housing. Just as some may do it for Ultimates, or Achievement Hunting. There are a lot of those that find their end-game to be housing and crafting.

You don't have to like it, but XIV has put a lot of effort into making sure everything revolves around housing to some degree with how many housing rewards we're given, and how housing has long-term incentives.

To deny that is just ignorant at best.

I decided to take a break from ff14 and play fire emblem fates until more content is released.

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Originally Posted by R041

You always just completely miss the point. Your analogy doesn't even compare. Digital or not, it's still something we consider we own on some level. Are you saying you'd be fine if your accounts were just deleted today?

It's more like unsubbing from Netflix and then you lost your favorite movies and shows it took years to obtain. When you re-sub you go to buy them again but Netflix decided to implement a lottery with artificial limited FOMO.

You're probably not the owner of your FC Large, because you completely lack any empathy for other people's concerns. Ask your FC Lead how it would feel to unsub for 4 months.

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I don't care what you "consider your own". The fact is it isn't yours. Never has nor will be. If SE decided to delete my account this minute would I be upset? Ofc, but it's their right to do so because ultimately they own it. Again that's the fact of the matter.

Frankly I'm tired of you trying to assassinate my character at every turn. I've stated nothing but the truth on that matter. The truth that's even present in the ToS. They can terminate at ANY time for ANY reason as they own everything.

Even my fc lead doesn't feel she's forced to sub just to keep our home. But she loves the game and we're always doing stuff together as an fc so that doesn't apply to her. My fc from before my current had leads that just up n left, didn't care about the home (that was obtained via placard clicking btw). There was no force present. They made their choice, same choice everyone has.

Empathy doesn't forgo facts, and the fact is you aren't forced to do anything in xiv. It is all a choice.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Frankly I'm tired of you trying to assassinate my character at every turn. I've stated nothing but the truth on that matter. The truth that's even present in the ToS. They can terminate at ANY time for ANY reason.

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Because you just straight up lack any empathy. You joined a big FC, you didn't build it up and put effort into raising funds, buying the house, sitting at the placard clicking, or the lottery. Did you even craft and deco for the house? What do you do that you find joy in, so that I can hypothetically stop that joy and make you feel some sort of empathy.

Before the new server opened up, housing was even worse, people couldn't even get a Med-Large unless they were grandfathered in from like 4-5 years ago. You just don't comprehend the difficulty and stress individuals and whole FCs have gone through to find a place of their own in a social game.

Yes, it's just a video game - Yes we're all arguing on an anime girl forum. But unfortunately I've put 10 years of my life into this anime girl game, and I feel somewhat attached to the things I've worked for and have built up.

It's okay though, nothing I say can make you understand - Because you just lack that ability and experience. So I guess it's just completely incomprehensible to you.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I don't care what you "consider your own". The fact is it isn't yours. Never has nor will be. If SE decided to delete my account this minute would I be upset? Ofc, but it's their right to do so because ultimately they own it. Again that's the fact of the matter.

Frankly I'm tired of you trying to assassinate my character at every turn. I've stated nothing but the truth on that matter. The truth that's even present in the ToS. They can terminate at ANY time for ANY reason as they own everything.

Even my fc lead doesn't feel she's forced to sub just to keep our home. But she loves the game and we're always doing stuff together as an fc so that doesn't apply to her. My fc from before my current had leads that just up n left, didn't care about the home (that was obtained via placard clicking btw). There was no force present. They made their choice, same choice everyone has.

Empathy doesn't forgo facts, and the fact is you aren't forced to do anything in xiv. It is all a choice.

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choices are encouraged through design. that's the point you are missing. anyone who financed a large house and won a lottery to get it, then spent hours decorating it with their friends, will feel pressure to continue subscribing. my FC's leader is taking a break because her dad is in hospital and she is pretty much burned out, but she hasn't dropped her sub because the house has too many memories that are of sentimental value.

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Originally Posted by R041

There are a lot of people in XIV that play just for housing. Just as some may do it for Ultimates, or Achievement Hunting. There are a lot of those that find their end-game to be housing and crafting.

You don't have to like it, but XIV has put a lot of effort into making sure everything revolves around housing to some degree with how many housing rewards we're given, and how housing has long-term incentives.

To deny that is just ignorant at best.

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The thing is when people toss around end game content they tend to mean a thing you can grind. And for me a house doesn't offer that repeatability. Sure you can tare down your theme or design and change it. And I get that for some that is fun. But once it's done there isn't anything left to do why i said that many people don't even go inside their house once it's decorated. If they even decorate it at all. Not everyone is turning their house into a venue of some sort where they host parties or events. Normally night clubs are ran by FCs. And don't bring up gardening cause sure it can help gain you some gil but it's pretty very similar to what you do on an Island Sanctuary.

I own a house heck I owned a house took a break due to having to move. Purposely let said house auto demo. Restarted from scratch went for years without a house, FC room or an apartment. Then the decorating bug bit me and I got a house under the old system. Only got my medium with 6.3 decorated and spend most of my time inside it. Yet I don't consider it as end game content. Yes, I know I'm very lucky to have a house in game and gotten one twice along with an upgrade. It still doesn't change my view about housing being end game content.

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Originally Posted by Byron-Blackfyre

choices are encouraged through design. that's the point you are missing. anyone who financed a large house and won a lottery to get it, then spent hours decorating it with their friends, will feel pressure to continue subscribing. my FC's leader is taking a break because her dad is in hospital and she is pretty much burned out, but she hasn't dropped her sub because the house has too many memories that are of sentimental value.

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You do know that anyone in an FC can go into the house interact with something and reset the timmer, right? The only thing an FC leader has to do is to log in in order to stay as the leader of an FC.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

The thing is when people toss around end game content they tend to mean a thing you can grind. And for me a house doesn't offer that repeatability. Sure you can tare down your theme or design and change it. And I get that for some that is fun. But once it's done there isn't anything left to do why i said that many people don't even go inside their house once it's decorated. If they even decorate it at all. Not everyone is turning their house into a venue of some sort where they host parties or events. Normally night clubs are ran by FCs. And don't bring up gardening cause sure it can help gain you some gil but it's pretty very similar to what you do on an Island Sanctuary.

I own a house heck I owned a house took a break due to having to move. Purposely let said house auto demo. Restarted from scratch went for years without a house, FC room or an apartment. Then the decorating bug bit me and I got a house under the old system. Only got my medium with 6.3 decorated and spend most of my time inside it. Yet I don't consider it as end game content. Yes, I know I'm very lucky to have a house in game and gotten one twice along with an upgrade. It still doesn't change my view about housing being end game content.

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depends on how you feel about end-game. for ultimate raiders and savage proggers, end-game is challenging pve. for people who love deep dungeons, their end-game is score-pushing potd, hoh, and eo. for people who enjoy social community events, housing plays a big part in what they consider to be their end-game within ff14. just because you don't think something is the most important part of your ff14 experience, doesn't mean that is the case for others.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

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I can respect that - But if you took any sprout and asked them what their end-goal is, it will probably be a house. To grind for that house and have a place of their own. They can continue to grind out raids, trials, ultimates. But where do they put those rewards? What's the 1 constant that they can continue to go back to when the raid series is over, to deco, to build friendships around, to socialize.

When I think of end-game, even going way back to Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, etc - It's having completed your goals and working on your house/guild/town and socializing. Always has been. It's the oldest end-game in MMORPGs. Some MMO players may just go AFK, but others try and build the avenues for social interaction.

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Originally Posted by R041

Because you just straight up lack any empathy. You joined a big FC, you didn't build it up and put effort into raising funds, buying the house, sitting at the placard clicking, or the lottery. Did you even craft and deco for the house? What do you do that you find joy in, so that I can hypothetically stop that joy and make you feel some sort of empathy.

Before the new server opened up, housing was even worse, people couldn't even get a Med-Large unless they were grandfathered in from like 4-5 years ago. You just don't comprehend the difficulty and stress individuals and whole FCs have gone through to find a place of their own in a social game.

Yes, it's just a video game - Yes we're all arguing on an anime girl forum. But unfortunately I've put 10 years of my life into this anime girl game, and I feel somewhat attached to the things I've worked for and have built up.

It's okay though, nothing I say can make you understand - Because you just lack that ability and experience. So I guess it's just completely incomprehensible to you.

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I dont think they lack empathy at all, they do have a far better handle on reality though.

yes, you have put 10 years of your life into essentially.. nothing. the ToS is very clear on that, was 10 years ago too. everyone would be upset if their character was deleted, but in an online game like an mmo.. that is ALWAYS going to be a possibility. does not mean a lack of empathy, it means that they realize something you are overlooking. all we pay for is access. Housing is a part of that access, and you can sink large amount of time and effort into one, but ultimately, its just there for enjoyment at that time because, it isnt yours.

if the big corporation decides to pull the plug, everyone will be upset. the reality is, its their plug to pull and its better to realize that, than to descend into abject depression when they do.

but I realize that it is unlikely you will understand either so.. all I can say is, have a great day

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I don't care what you "consider your own". The fact is it isn't yours. Never has nor will be. If SE decided to delete my account this minute would I be upset? Ofc, but it's their right to do so because ultimately they own it. Again that's the fact of the matter.

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I'm confused what even is your point here? Don't care about housing or anything because you don't legally own any of it? You're literally just arguing semantics here. Of course the threat of having your house taken from you will keep people subbed. Maybe not everyone cares enough but the fact is that on most servers it's incredibly difficult to get a house so losing the house you worked for can be devastating.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I dont think they lack empathy at all, they do have a far better handle on reality though.

yes, you have put 10 years of your life into essentially.. nothing. the ToS is very clear on that, was 10 years ago too. everyone would be upset if their character was deleted, but in an online game like an mmo.. that is ALWAYS going to be a possibility. does not mean a lack of empathy, it means that they realize something you are overlooking. all we pay for is access. Housing is a part of that access, and you can sink large amount of time and effort into one, but ultimately, its just there for enjoyment at that time because, it isnt yours.

if the big corporation decides to pull the plug, everyone will be upset. the reality is, its their plug to pull and its better to realize that, than to descend into abject depression when they do.

but I realize that it is unlikely you will understand either so.. all I can say is, have a great day

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FF11 was made in 2002 and it's still around. Sure, one day in the future FF14 might have its servers shut down. that's always a possibility. however, how plausible is that currently? chances are it'll be around for at least another 10 + years. there are many MMOs in maintenance mode.

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Originally Posted by R041

Because you just straight up lack any empathy. You joined a big FC, you didn't build it up and put effort into raising funds, buying the house, sitting at the placard clicking, or the lottery. Did you even craft and deco for the house? What do you do that you find joy in, so that I can hypothetically stop that joy and make you feel some sort of empathy.

Before the new server opened up, housing was even worse, people couldn't even get a Med-Large unless they were grandfathered in from like 4-5 years ago. You just don't comprehend the difficulty and stress individuals and whole FCs have gone through to find a place of their own in a social game.

Yes, it's just a video game - Yes we're all arguing on an anime girl forum. But unfortunately I've put 10 years of my life into this anime girl game, and I feel somewhat attached to the things I've worked for and have built up.

It's okay though, nothing I say can make you understand - Because you just lack that ability and experience. So I guess it's just completely incomprehensible to you.

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Once more...empathy doesn't forgo facts. I can be empathic yet still acknowledge the fact of the matter. That's what YOU aren't getting. I get wanting to keep a home you worked on but me saying you aren't forced to do anything doesn't all of a sudden make me someone who lacks empathy. Per the definition of force it literally doesn't apply here. Also I love the assumptions you're making. I don't join big fcs. I don't care for meat farms. Next how tf do you know I don't raise funds? I give money anytime our fc needs stuff. (Mostly being airship mats). I don't craft at all but I'll go gather or buy mats for my fc. House was decorated a year before I got to my current fc. Nothing you say will take my fun out of doing anything. You're a random in a site full of randoms, myself included lol

Don't tell me I don't comprehend the stress of getting a house. You weren't around when I was staying up days at a time clicking placards trying to get a home. You weren't around for when I had health complications from doing that very thing. Skipping meals and putting off bathroom visits because "those few minutes might make me miss the right time". Staying up days at a time across weeks just for someone to come in and relocate making all that time pointless. Feeling like I failed my partner multiple times because I couldn't get us a home. Eventually it payed off but id never EVER put myself through that again. Don't you fucking tell me that I don't get it! You don't know me! Get tf off my case with your baseless assumptions, thank you VERY much.

Me and my mate own a large plot in ishgard because we barely spent our gil from out crafting sprees and just clubbed together for a shot. We won it and I very much to keep it but I let my sub run and log in to just access the house. I pay for the entry sub which is less than one trip to Mcdonalds...and for me that is a drop in the pond and I am only above the national average wage. Im not saying other people aren't reasonable with their money or that they should have this placed on them but the sub-fee isn't that big of a contention point for me.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

yes, you have put 10 years of your life into essentially.. nothing. the ToS is very clear on that, was 10 years ago too. everyone would be upset if their character was deleted, but in an online game like an mmo.. that is ALWAYS going to be a possibility. does not mean a lack of empathy, it means that they realize something you are overlooking. all we pay for is access. Housing is a part of that access, and you can sink large amount of time and effort into one, but ultimately, its just there for enjoyment at that time because, it isnt yours.

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I really don't see what point you're trying to make is. Yes we can all lose everything today. Yes an earthquake could destroy my real house. Yes my bank could collapse. Yes my stock could collapse. Yes I could lose my job. Yes Hulu and Netflix could explode and we could be doomed to Cable again. (I have actually had the center of our house foundation collapse due to a previous owner digging under it. I've never been more upset in my entire life.)

I'd still be pretty salty about those things. Regardless if it's physical or digital. I did work for them. I do enjoy them.

I don't care if you don't enjoy what I enjoy, and don't find value in what I find value in. At least I have some empathy in what other people work toward and hold dear.

This doesn't really have anything to do with their ability to delete my shit.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Don't tell me I don't comprehend the stress of getting a house. You weren't around when I was staying up days at a time clicking placards trying to get a home. You weren't around for when I had health complications from doing that very thing. Skipping meals and putting off bathroom visits because "those few minutes might make me miss the right time". Staying up days at a time across weeks just for someone to come in and relocate making all that time pointless. Feeling like I failed my partner multiple times because I couldn't get us a home. Eventually it payed off but id never EVER put myself through that again. Don't you fucking tell me that I don't get it! You don't know me! Get tf off my case with your baseless assumptions, thank you VERY much.

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So you do understand, and still lack empathy for others. See how salty you got? lool
And instead of your partner, it's also your FC.

Now also imagine I just deleted it right after you put all of that effort in. (While the game servers are still running. Dumb hypotheticals about the servers shutting down for good are dumb.)

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Originally Posted by R041

I really don't see what point you're trying to make is. Yes we can all lose everything today. Yes an earthquake could destroy my real house. Yes my bank could collapse. Yes my stock could collapse. Yes I could lose my job. Yes Hulu and Netflix could explode and we could be doomed to Cable again. (I have actually had the center of our house foundation collapse due to a previous owner digging under it. I've never been more upset in my entire life.)

I'd still be pretty salty about those things. Regardless if it's physical or digital. I did work for them. I do enjoy them.

I don't care if you don't enjoy what I enjoy, and don't find value in what I find value in. At least I have some empathy in what other people work toward and hold dear.

This doesn't really have anything to do with their ability to delete my shit.



So you do understand, and still lack empathy for others. See how salty you got? lool

Now imagine I just deleted it right after you put all of that effort in.

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You're just a petty troll. That much is clear just from that response. Grow tf up for your sake...
Wake up to reality, it'll do you some good

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Once more...empathy doesn't forgo facts. I can be empathic yet still acknowledge the fact of the matter. That's what YOU aren't getting. I get wanting to keep a home you worked on but me saying you aren't forced to do anything doesn't all of a sudden make me someone who lacks empathy. Per the definition of force it literally doesn't apply here. Also I love the assumptions you're making. I don't join big fcs. I don't care for meat farms. Next how tf do you know I don't raise funds? I give money anytime our fc needs stuff. (Mostly being airship mats). I don't craft at all but I'll go gather or buy mats for my fc. House was decorated a year before I got to my current fc. Nothing you say will take my fun out of doing anything. You're a random in a site full of randoms, myself included lol

Don't tell me I don't comprehend the stress of getting a house. You weren't around when I was staying up days at a time clicking placards trying to get a home. You weren't around for when I had health complications from doing that very thing. Skipping meals and putting off bathroom visits because "those few minutes might make me miss the right time". Staying up days at a time across weeks just for someone to come in and relocate making all that time pointless. Feeling like I failed my partner multiple times because I couldn't get us a home. Eventually it payed off but id never EVER put myself through that again. Don't you fucking tell me that I don't get it! You don't know me! Get tf off my case with your baseless assumptions, thank you VERY much.

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the physical and mental toll it takes to get a house in FF14 is unreal which is why losing it feels like a gut-punch. in ESO my partner just bought a guild-hall for us, and it's instanced so our dark brotherhood "kvatch" sanctuary is still around even though we took a break from the game.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

You're just a petty troll. That much is clear just from that response. Grow tf up for your sake...

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I'm not a troll, but I can be petty. Because you just want to win for some reason. Meanwhile I'm trying to get you to comprehend other people's feelings. So you understand these things are difficult, yet fail to grasp the frustration of others.

You understand that it's difficult, you understand that you can't let your sub lapse after that difficulty. Yet tell other people they shouldn't worry and they should just be fine with the idea that they can let their sub lapse and lose all of that effort. Yours was also probably just a Small, and see how frustrating and difficult that was?

So yes, SE can shut down their servers tomorrow. But they're not. And until we all lose our houses, I will be salty if my house gets deleted for lapsing my sub. I will continue to keep my sub active because to do otherwise would be painful if I ever wanted to play XIV again. Which I do. I'm just currently bored is all. Doesn't mean I hate XIV.

YES THERE IS THE REALITY THAT WE CAN ALL LOSE EVERYTHING, NOBODY IS SAYING OTHERWISE. WHY ARE YOU STILL BRINGING IT UP?

Tomorrow I could get cancer. I could die on Friday. I still retain the right to be upset over dumb things.

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Originally Posted by Byron-Blackfyre

the physical and mental toll it takes to get a house in FF14 is unreal which is why losing it feels like a gut-punch. in ESO my partner just bought a guild-hall for us, and it's instanced so our dark brotherhood "kvatch" sanctuary is still around even though we took a break from the game.

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Trust me. I 100% understand that. All my original point was is that you aren't forced to do anything. It's all within our hands as we know the rules. I never said people shouldnt care about their homes or that some folks didn't go through alot for them. Heck I've never even defended the current system we have. I just believe in taking responsibility for my own actions. I went through hell to get my home but I choose to do all of that knowing the situation around housing. I lost that very house I went through hell for some years ago because I decided to take a very long break from xiv. Was it unfortunate? Ofc. But I made that choice n blame no one for that loss but me. My current home I've kept up with. Told myself I'm not losing another home especially as I just happened to get this randomly and it's literally right next door to my partners (obtained pre lottery as well). And to put it out there I'm 100% for instanced housing so all can share in the experience of homeowning.

Also for the person under me, the moment you put false labels on someone for having a different opinion you immediately become someone not worth listening to. And yall want to preach empathy lol
"Empathy for me but not for thee". Good joke.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I dont think they lack empathy at all, they do have a far better handle on reality though.

yes, you have put 10 years of your life into essentially.. nothing. the ToS is very clear on that, was 10 years ago too. everyone would be upset if their character was deleted, but in an online game like an mmo.. that is ALWAYS going to be a possibility. does not mean a lack of empathy, it means that they realize something you are overlooking. all we pay for is access. Housing is a part of that access, and you can sink large amount of time and effort into one, but ultimately, its just there for enjoyment at that time because, it isnt yours.

if the big corporation decides to pull the plug, everyone will be upset. the reality is, its their plug to pull and its better to realize that, than to descend into abject depression when they do.

but I realize that it is unlikely you will understand either so.. all I can say is, have a great day

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And what? All you're doing is arguing semantics and deflecting. Yes, you don't legally own anything in the game, so what? Does that mean people can't care about anything in the game? Why worry about losing a house when you don't have the legal rights to it and SE can just delete everything on a whim? Is anyone here arguing about legal rights aside from you white knights, for some incomprehensible reason? What are you even on about? Seriously.

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We're not disagreeing that it's within our own will to keep or lapse a sub, and to own a house. But it doesn't take away from the fact that it's FOMO encouraged, and to lose that achievement is devastating overall. Plenty of things are within our own will but are still encouraged by FOMO and take advantage of that will.

We're brick walls arguing with each other. Stop telling people to not be upset. That's the problem.

It's not that we have our own will. It's that we retain the right to be upset about shitty systems. Especially when they're engrained into the fiber of how MMORPGs themselves work. Especially when XIV is widely praised for even having housing. But for some reason you feel it's necessary to say otherwise. Even though you also admit that it's shit to some degree. You're so adamant to telling people that they shouldn't enjoy the things they've worked toward. So why even engage in this discussion, what are you really trying to gain?

Do you see how that makes you seem like more of a petty troll? When you're just arguing for the sake of argument. Your point is meaningless in the grand scheme, because we all know that to be a fact. But it doesn't change how we feel about these things.

It's literally the same shit as you telling me "Yeah well Yoshi told you to take breaks" when there's no content. Like sure. We can take breaks. But that doesn't take away from the fact that there's nothing to do. Both can be true. Your fact doesn't take away from my fact. So I don't know why it's so important to continue telling me otherwise.

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Trust me. I 100% understand that. All my original point was is that you aren't forced to do anything. It's all within our hands as we know the rules. I never said people shouldnt care about their homes or that some folks didn't go through alot for them. Heck I've never even defended the current system we have. I just believe in taking responsibility for my own actions. I went through hell to get my home but I choose to do all of that knowing the situation around housing. I lost that very house I went through hell for some years ago because I decided to take a very long break from xiv. Was it unfortunate? Ofc. But I made that choice n blame no one for that loss but me. My current home I've kept up with. Told myself I'm not losing another home especially as I just happened to get this randomly and it's literally right next door to my partners (obtained pre lottery as well). And to put it out there I'm 100% for instanced housing so all can share in the experience of homeowning

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it's really cool that you managed to get a house next to your partner. well, if we're both in favour of instanced housing then we agree on the same principles for the most part.
I wish you an excellent day.

-eastern bow-

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We're not disagreeing that it's within our own will to keep or lapse a sub, and to own a house. But it doesn't take away from the fact that it's FOMO encouraged, and to lose that achievement is devastating overall. Plenty of things are within our own will but are still encouraged by FOMO and take advantage of that will.

We're brick walls arguing with each other. Stop telling people to not be upset. That's the problem.

It's not that we have our own will. It's that we retain the right to be upset about shitty systems. Especially when they're engrained into the fiber of how MMORPGs themselves work. Especially when XIV is widely praised for even having housing. But for some reason you feel it's necessary to say otherwise. Even though you also admit that it's shit to some degree. You're so adamant to telling people that they shouldn't enjoy the things they've worked toward. So why even engage in this discussion, what are you really trying to gain?

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Ikara is like a few posters around here. They will argue in circles with you until you give up out of frustration, and say that you need to chill as they continue to rile you up. I guess that's considered a win? It's not really about being right. It's about having the last word. But yeah, I don't really engage with them if I can really help it.

he didn't really lie, there are still a lot of resources left on FF14, but currently they are put in quality of life changes, in 'chill'sanctuary island' content which is not pve content
the implementation of AI to do Solo dungeons, and very expensive projects like the upcoming graphics update for 7.0 .

On the other hand for the pve content it is true that the quality of a large part of the instances and boss fights and jobs deteriorated at endwalker, but as regards the loss of content it is already the case since shadowbringer except that you had bozja in addition, but no deep dungeons, no criterion dungeon and no real equivalent to the sanctuary island except ishgard for crafter.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Also for the person under me, the moment you put false labels on someone for having a different opinion you immediately become someone not worth listening to. And yall want to preach empathy lol
"Empathy for me but not for thee". Good joke.

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Did not argue about empathy at all, literally don't care about whether you can empathize or not. Only thing I'm pointing out that you're arguing nonsense that no one here has even implied. Now let's put this in the most simple way I can. Yes, you're not forced to do anything in the game BUT if you want to keep your house you kind of are forced to keep subbing. What is there to argue?

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Ikara is like a few posters around here. They will argue in circles with you until you give up out of frustration, and say that you need to chill as they continue to rile you up. I guess that's considered a win? It's not really about being right. It's about having the last word. But yeah, I don't really engage with them if I can really help it.

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But Ikara isn't saying that RO41 can't enjoy the things they do in the game. Ikara also isn't showing a lack of empathy either. They did the same things went through the same things. Yet because they say they will be fine mostly in the long run that if for some reason the servers shut down later today or something came up to the point their sub went lax for so long that they lost their in game house that they're some how not showing empathy. Or that they're some how telling RO41 that they're not allowed to enjoy the thing(s) they enjoy in the game. They're just saying that you can still enjoy your house, but you realistically shouldn't be as attached to it as some are. Which is probably an unhealthy thing to do. You shouldn't get so attached to something digital to the point where if you lost it tomorrow it's going to affect you so badly that you'll be a sobbing hot mess for the next week or whatnot.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

You shouldn't get so attached to something digital to the point where if you lost it tomorrow it's going to affect you so badly that you'll be a sobbing hot mess for the next week or whatnot.

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That I can agree with. If I were to lose my house, yeah I'd be disappointed, maybe a little salty, but I'd get over it.

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Originally Posted by R041

Be she wants to be more righter for some reason.

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And I agree with this as well.

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It's not even that I'm obsessively attached. But you read what she went through. You think that's an enjoyable experience? I like housing enough to never want to go through that shit again, so I'm encouraged to keep my sub active so that I can both enjoy this content and not have to lose my mind. I'm not quitting, I'm bored. If I didn't want to play anything but combat* then yes I'd just quit completely. But that's not the case.

It's just lack of understanding and empathy. We can both be right. Be she wants to be more righter for some reason.

The discussion is really just:

Me: "I wish I could unsub and not worry about the things I worked for."
Them: "Why do you care?"
Me: "Because I care.."
Them: "Yeah, but you shouldn't care"
Me: "Sure, but I still care."
Them: "Yeah but come on, just quit and leave it all behind."
Me: "Nah.. I care just enough."
Them: "But Yoshi is gonna delete it anyway"

You see how dumb that is? lol

"Why enjoy life, when you know the universe will explode" :confused:

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

You are obligated to agree with the conditions of a contract in Real Life. The same sense of obligation is agreed upon when you play a video game, whether it has a subscription or not.
You want a house, knowing about demolition and the requirements for a subscription to prevent it? Either you are obligated to fulfill the conditions for the house, or you decline the contract.
What is there to argue?

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"Yeah well you signed the contract, HOA has the ability to take your home if you don't pay the $20 fee"

Sure, but it's still fucking stupid. lol

Do people here just blindly follow and are okay with all contracts and obligations? Now I know why capitalism is destroying us. :D

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Originally Posted by Sheriyana

Now let's put this in the most simple way I can. Yes, you're not forced to do anything in the game BUT if you want to keep your house you kind of are forced to keep subbing. What is there to argue?

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You are obligated to agree with the conditions of a contract in Real Life. The same sense of obligation is agreed upon when you play a video game, whether it has a subscription or not.

You want a house, knowing about demolition and the requirements for a subscription to prevent it? Either you are obligated to fulfill the conditions for the house, or you decline the contract.

What is there to argue?

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

You are obligated to agree with the conditions of a contract in Real Life. The same sense of obligation is agreed upon when you play a video game, whether it has a subscription or not.

You want a house, knowing about demolition and the requirements for a subscription to prevent it? Either you are obligated to fulfill the conditions for the house, or you decline the contract.

What is there to argue?

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So you literally just went into slightly more detail about what they said. What is there to argue indeed.