Alexander loot systems sucks :/

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Originally Posted by Kona_Nightwind

Welcome to the internet. You could give out free money and people would find something to complain about. This is just the appetizer. I can't wait till they release epic alexander. Most people complaining about how the content is to easy will start complaining about how it is to hard.

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I'm sure that probably only 10-20% of people clearing Alex normal will ever clear Alex Hard. That being said, the current setup of normal and hard at least gives everyone a taste of the end game content and might create more interest in the Hard version. My wishful thinking is that it helps bring more players up to par on end game content and skill level, or at least it will make them want to attempt to get there.

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Originally Posted by Lothar808

I'm sure that probably only 10-20% of people clearing Alex normal will ever clear Alex Hard. That being said, the current setup of normal and hard at least gives everyone a taste of the end game content and might create more interest in the Hard version. My wishful thinking is that it helps bring more players up to par on end game content and skill level, or at least it will make them want to attempt to get there.

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I completely agree with you.

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Originally Posted by SonTensei

Alright those people who are complaining, question for you? Did you run Coil? T1-T13? If you did you know what the alternative is right?
4 weeks, no drop for your job, 12 clears no weapon drop, etc...

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Yep, all of coil, including when SCoB and FCoB were relevant content. The alternative is what they are presenting for Savage Alexander. I can complain though when I'm fighting RNG in both instances and it comes out awful.

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Originally Posted by SonTensei

How many times did the same item no one wanted hit the floor?

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Not often. My static has a full up group that level everything and gear up every job. Very rare was the time that something dropped to the floor.
It's better but it's not perfect.

This system is too much like pony farming. Find a group that can clear, deal with the RNG of the drops, then deal with the RNG of your lot, and then deal with the fact that you hate the seven other people who are all dealing with the same crap as you.

And I mentioned this earlier but our static doesn't consider this raid content. It's more akin to WoD for us. So we do more DF than actual static ones or PF. >_> When it's DF, it sucks more.

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Originally Posted by Lothar808

I'm sure that probably only 10-20% of people clearing Alex normal will ever clear Alex Hard. That being said, the current setup of normal and hard at least gives everyone a taste of the end game content and might create more interest in the Hard version. My wishful thinking is that it helps bring more players up to par on end game content and skill level, or at least it will make them want to attempt to get there.

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My problem is that even if I'm interested I don't really see a way to get into a group for it.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

My problem is that even if I'm interested I don't really see a way to get into a group for it.

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Which is understandable. Hopefully though, with the new loot system, statics will be less of a needed element for end game raiding. Also, the more people that are interested like you, but think they cant get in a group, will actually make it easier to build more groups.

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

Yep, all of coil, including when SCoB and FCoB were relevant content. The alternative is what they are presenting for Savage Alexander. I can complain though when I'm fighting RNG in both instances and it comes out awful.

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One big difference between Savage and Normal is that you wont be able to DF it and people that can actually beat it will be way less than Normal.. lastly you and your static can work out a drop system to make it better than random guy A in a party finder

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

stop farming in Duty Finder. Put up a Party Finder or get some friends together to farm. Make at least a token effort to work within the loot system and give it a decent shot before complaining that the drops aren't being served up to you on a goddamn silver platter.

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How hard it is to understand it doesn't matter what kind of group you are in "stactic/DF/PF" all doesn't matter, it take average 40+ run to have enough shaft drops for 6 people (that's assuming 2 of the other don't need the chest). Yeah, it seems pretty good odd that each clear has 66.6% chance for 1 shaft to drop, but after u factor in the rolling against 6 others plus you need to repeat the same process 4 times , you will see it take way more runs to get specific item than old system.

Better know your stuff before you white knighting for no reason. If this system is actually "better" than the old one, u wouldn't see this kind of thread has 20 pages + replies to it.

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Originally Posted by senjyo

If this system is actually "better" than the old one, u wouldn't see this kind of thread has 20 pages + replies to it.

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And before you start white knighting, not all of the responses are agreeing with it.

I like the loot system we have for Alexander a lot more than what we had for Coil and even CT.

Back when 2nd Coil came out, it took me 8 months to get the healer chest from t7.

That's running it every week since it came out, that's farming it for hours a day after the nerfs and it was made farmable. Now I can easily go get my loot from Alexander in a day or so. I am perfectly fine with this.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

And before you start white knighting, not all of the responses are agreeing with it.

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You don't have to agree, but it doesn't change the fact that there are lots of people actually see the problem of this new system and debate and dicussion are being exchange. I don't see a thread like "Daily roulette suck, please delete the system" gone above 5 pages beside the obvious troll attempt and nonconstructive replies such as the quoted one.

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Originally Posted by senjyo

You don't have to agree, but it doesn't change the fact that there are lots of people actually see the problem of this new system and debate and dicussion are being exchange. I don't see a thread like "Daily roulette suck, please delete the system" gone above 5 pages beside the obvious troll attempt and nonconstructive replies such as the quoted one.

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You have to remember not everyone on FF uses the forums, everyone I've spoken to in game about the new loot system loves it. No matter what Square Enix do, someone is always going to complain about it. They can't please everyone and I highly doubt they're going to rework the entire Alexander loot system because they've got some negative feedback.

It's really not a bad loot system. As I said, most people are being disheartened by the fact they've rolled crappy and are raging over it instead of seeing the logic that they have just as much chance as getting an item than before.

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Your logic is still completely flawed.. You could farm Alexander twice and get your piece and farm coil 500 times and never get a piece. It's all RNG. People are literally complaining because their rolls suck. That's all it comes down to.

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Originally Posted by Selli

I like the loot system we have for Alexander a lot more than what we had for Coil and even CT.

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It's the CT system only superficially reworked though. Differences being that it has multiple floors and that in CT you actually get your piece on the spot rather than a piece of it.

Floors 1&2 are ... okish. It would be nice if there's another token, but after the first couple weeks people are looking for more specific items so you're not always rolling against 8 other people.

The problem with floor 4 (and to a lesser degree floor 3) is that this is the only place you can obtain the crank and you need 4 of them. So if you actually want the chest piece at all, you're going to need to be rolling against 8 other people constantly, and that's even if a shaft shows up. And then you need to repeat this for 4 weeks before you get anything other than tokens taking up space in your inventory.

Floor 3 is similar with the legs. You can get the legs on floor 4 also, but since that's the only place you get the shaft, everyone wants the legs on floor 3.

It would be much better (I think) if these highly desirable items always dropped on their respective floors. So one chest always contains the shaft, and the other chest has a 50/50 chance of getting the spring or crank. Floor 3 would have one chest always contain the spring with a 50/50 chance of getting the lens or crank in the other.

This would ease the farming up a little bit.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

You have to remember not everyone on FF uses the forums, everyone I've spoken to in game about the new loot system loves it. No matter what Square Enix do, someone is always going to complain about it. They can't please everyone and I highly doubt they're going to rework the entire Alexander loot system because they've got some negative feedback.

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The same logic also go both way, I also knew lots of people that don't use the forum but also hating the new loot system. To be fair, it is an improvement that they going for a token system, what they did wrong is, instead implement 1 or 2 type of token, they implement 7. So you reducing the bad RNG for gear drop for different class, but you add a new RNG which people need to hunt for the specific token on a specific turns against 6+ player instead 0 or 1 and repeat that for 4 times?! That's what people are complaining about.

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Originally Posted by senjyo

but after u factor in the rolling against 6 others plus you need to repeat the same process 4 times , you will see it take way more runs to get specific item than old system.

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What this does is equalizes the time it takes to get specific items. There is no getting it on the first run, sure, but on the other hand the only way you'd end up never getting it is if you gave up trying. There's drops out of Coil that I ended up never getting despite trying for months, even after it opened up to farming. Having bad luck in Alexander means you have to run it again because 2 pedals dropped and you wanted a bolt. Having bad luck in Coil meant that you better pray to RNGesus that your item even turned up. Even worse was if you were in a greed party and 2 other people were on that item with you when it finally did drop.

I mean gee, oh no, you have to run it several times in order to get your loot. At least you have the option to do so! Coil runners didn't even have that. You got one clear for the week, and if both items were for a dragoon and nobody played it, well you cried some bitter tears in RNGesus' general direction then divvied up via greed and tried again next week. In any case, using the chest piece as your example is kind of a bad idea since it's the only one that takes four weeks to get. Everything else can be gotten in one or two.

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Better know your stuff before you white knighting for no reason. If this system is actually "better" than the old one, u wouldn't see this kind of thread has 20 pages + replies to it.

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If you'd actually bothered to look through the thread, you would've seen that it's twenty pages of debate, not twenty pages of people agreeing with the OP. There are plenty of people that like this loot system just fine.

In my opinion FcoB system is way better then this system. Which we are getting back next week for savage uses the same loot system

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Originally Posted by Zumi

In my opinion FcoB system is way better then this system. Which we are getting back next week for savage uses the same loot system

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It's also adding a token, to at least partially do away with the RNG nonsense.

I feel the loot system is great like this. Gives everyone a fair chance and reduces the "Omg, DRG loot drops all the time" excuse. While I personally in a static I feel there are zero issues with this. Run each floor ~4 times each week and everyone has the thing they want.

If you are worried about not being able to get in a static due to your work time you can always MAKE YOUR OWN static. Have a static that fits around you not some one else. I am sure you will find players that will be able to do stuff at that time.

Side Note: My GF is not in a static due to her work, but I help her with your DF runs all the time. Bring some friends (or close FC members) to fill in the PuG spaces to reduce the chance of other players rolling on something you need. She has zero issues with her tokens.. then again she is VERY lucky roller.

Best of luck on your DF Token farming.

So wait, the look system in Normal Mode sucks according to some folks, so instead of adjusting Normal mode you'll adjust savage? That seems like a strange way to fix the original issue players have with normal mode....

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

There's drops out of Coil that I ended up never getting despite trying for months, even after it opened up to farming.

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The problem with coil is that each turn had too much potential crap that could drop. So the chances of getting your drop were fairly low per run, and then the chances you actually won the roll if you had to compete for it (tanks/healers) was worse.

I think they made a mistake by putting accessories in coil. If coil only dropped main body pieces and the accessories were elsewhere in the world then coil wouldn't have been nearly as bad.

I'm curious what exactly it is that people want? We had Coil loot distribution; where you get a chance for loot 4 times per week and people bitched about the lockout. Now, we have Alex loot distro; where you can farm it all you want and get a piece of gear pretty much guaranteed (unless you're tunnel visioning on a certain slot and stuck DFing it) and people still complain? Do people want a loot system where you go in, get the drop you want with no lockout at all so you can farm it for a week just so you can complain that there's nothing to do? Welcome to MMOs. The hardest bosses are always other players and RNG.

Sometimes, I get the feeling that this new breed of MMO players expect game companies to crank out content every week just to keep their ADHD-addled playerbase sated. I bet even then, people will still complain that they didn't wake up the next day to 28 brand new raids that drop every piece of gear for every job and expect the same thing happening the next day.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

So wait, the look system in Normal Mode sucks according to some folks, so instead of adjusting Normal mode you'll adjust savage? That seems like a strange way to fix the original issue players have with normal mode....

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It's more like they are offering different systems because one of them is meant to be gear for the whole and the other is meant to gear out raid tier players. Like most, Alexander Normal is considered on par with a tower run similar to CT. The loot works in much the same way. It's meant to take time but eventually give out higher ilevel gear for the people who do not wish to run actual real raids.

For Savage though, you cannot impose the same because the floors are going to be much harder. They've gone back to the older way with a new twist so that people get their gear in an RNG based timely manner, do not have to fight for the same tokens, AND get pieces regardless of bad RNG through tokens. Alexander Savage has a loot system designed to work for the raider that won't have a chance to run the same floor into the ground for their loot.

So yeah, not fixing. It's adjusted for its difficulty and the fact that you have to One-and-done the floors.

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Originally Posted by SythSynner

While I personally in a static I feel there are zero issues with this. Run each floor ~4 times each week and everyone has the thing they want.

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Except that others are also in statics and finding that there's an issue. Between RNG and getting their static together for long enough for people to be picky about drops, people are finding that it's more effort than worth.

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Originally Posted by SythSynner

If you are worried about not being able to get in a static due to your work time you can always MAKE YOUR OWN static. Have a static that fits around you not some one else. I am sure you will find players that will be able to do stuff at that time.

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As SE doesn't even view this as a "raid" on the same tier as the Coils, you have to consider that telling people to get a static isn't actually the way to go. Yes, people can get Alexander specific statics but most of the people that will stick around in NM when Savage comes out aren't raiders. They don't have statics for a variety of reasons. Telling them that statics aren't hard to find, get into, make, or manage is hardly the advice I would give to anyone here.

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Originally Posted by SythSynner

but I help her with your DF runs all the time.

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Awesome, but not everyone has this luxury. You're experienced, you're capable and once you get your token, you eliminate someone else that could lot against her.

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Originally Posted by SythSynner

Bring some friends (or close FC members) to fill in the PuG spaces to reduce the chance of other players rolling on something you need. She has zero issues with her tokens..

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Of course she has zero issues. You've taken away everything that people are complaining about in this thread besides the RNG. If everyone was able to get their more experienced friends and FC mates together and clear it and they were all dandy to stay until everyone got their stuff or if they had their token already, everything and everyone would be great.

But the people coming here are saying that that isn't always possible.

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Originally Posted by Rafaelhades

I'm curious what exactly it is that people want?

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People want the ability to get at least one item of loot per week. Not have to run the same content over and over 50 times for a slight chance at getting what you want. The token systems for clearing X runs usually solves this. Problem is, once people have obtained all they want from it, they stop. That being said, if you can only get ONE item/week, that's still what, 10 weeks to gear out one job? Have you seen the requirements for the body piece from Alex? It's 4 items that drop from A4 that DFers have a hell of a time with. So unless you run it non-stop with a static until everyone gets said item, it'll take a month min to upgrade it.

From SEs point of view, it's genius cause it'll take forever to get it (to which point something easier and better will have come along).

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Originally Posted by Rafaelhades

I'm curious what exactly it is that people want?

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Go back to the first few pages and you'll see.

TL;DR

We want Coils Loot System with a Token System added to it. Whole Gear drops and you can either lot it or pass, if you don't get a gear drop, when you go to "Exit" you can choose to take a token, if you take gear or a token you're locked out from that floor until reset. If you don't take gear or a token, then you can keep redoing that floor until you get what you want. Pretty simple, and that is the system we should have had.

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Originally Posted by Monty

From SEs point of view, it's genius cause it'll take forever to get it (to which point something easier and better will have come along).

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They'd like to think so.

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Originally Posted by Monty

People want the ability to get at least one item of loot per week. Not have to run the same content over and over 50 times for a slight chance at getting what you want. The token systems for clearing X runs usually solves this. Problem is, once people have obtained all they want from it, they stop. That being said, if you can only get ONE item/week, that's still what, 10 weeks to gear out one job? Have you seen the requirements for the body piece from Alex? It's 4 items that drop from A4 that DFers have a hell of a time with. So unless you run it non-stop with a static until everyone gets said item, it'll take a month min to upgrade it.

From SEs point of view, it's genius cause it'll take forever to get it (to which point something easier and better will have come along).

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And this is exactly what SE wanted when making this system. Something to artificially extend the lifespan of the content until something new is out.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

In my opinion FcoB system is way better then this system. Which we are getting back next week for savage uses the same loot system

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I'd really like to know how you think FcoB was better? If we look at statics for instance. In FcoB you could run T11 for 6 months (24 weeks), before it was unlocked, and never get the Casting chest to drop (happened in my static and many others), but now you run Alex Normal/Savage, in a static and you can get the current casting chest piece in 4 weeks, sure you might have to farm it a couple times with your static each week to get the right token to drop, but at least you know you are progressing towards the gear and not just SoL if you didn't pray to RNGesus enough.

Savage will be A1-4 will drop two pieces of random gear + everyone that completes it will get a token. Tokens can then be exchanged for gear. On top of that, if you go back and help people get their clear, the chests will be reduced depending on how many people have already cleared, but all the people you are helping to get their clear will still get a token. Alex = RNGbased Token with potential for always progressing > FcoB = RNG with possible no progression in gear.

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Originally Posted by Lothar808

I'd really like to know how you think FcoB was better? If we look at statics for instance. In FcoB you could run T11 for 6 months (24 weeks), before it was unlocked, and never get the Casting chest to drop (happened in my static and many others), but now you run Alex Normal/Savage, in a static and you can get the current casting chest piece in 4 weeks, sure you might have to farm it a couple times with your static each week to get the right token to drop, but at least you know you are progressing towards the gear and not just SoL if you didn't pray to RNGesus enough.

Savage will be A1-4 will drop two pieces of random gear + everyone that completes it will get a token. Tokens can then be exchanged for gear. On top of that, if you go back and help people get their clear, the chests will be reduced depending on how many people have already cleared, but all the people you are helping to get their clear will still get a token. Alex = RNGbased Token with potential for always progressing > FcoB = RNG with possible no progression in gear.

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You're comparing locked coil vs. unlocked alexander. That's not a fair comparison. Alexander normal is closer to CT type content than it is to coil. Alexander savage is going to be closer to 2.x coil, it will have a similar weekly lockout. We'll see what loot system they use for that.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

You're comparing locked coil vs. unlocked alexander. That's not a fair comparison. Alexander normal is closer to CT type content than it is to coil. Alexander savage is going to be closer to 2.x coil, it will have a similar weekly lockout. We'll see what loot system they use for that.

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I am comparing it in my statement because that it what the person I am quoting did. They specifically said they liked Fcob loot system better than "this system" refering to Alex normal token system. I ask why how they can make that statement based on the differences between the two and I then layout the differences. I only make the comparison because that was the argument I was trying to understand.

They have also mention already how Savage's loot will work. Which is what I explained in my second paragraph. The only thing we don't know is the cost of tokens for each gear piece, and if there will be tier based tokens, where a certain turn's token will only be able to purchase certain gear.

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Originally Posted by Monty

People want the ability to get at least one item of loot per week. Not have to run the same content over and over 50 times for a slight chance at getting what you want. The token systems for clearing X runs usually solves this.

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And this is what we got, unless you mean people want a guaranteed drop for everyone every run. And that shortens the lifespan of the current content. And I highly doubt people would want "X amount of runs for item Y" because that's exactly what the tome system is. And people hate grinding tomes.

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We want Coils Loot System with a Token System added to it. Whole Gear drops and you can either lot it or pass, if you don't get a gear drop, when you go to "Exit" you can choose to take a token, if you take gear or a token you're locked out from that floor until reset. If you don't take gear or a token, then you can keep redoing that floor until you get what you want. Pretty simple, and that is the system we should have had.

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Wait...this is the current Alex system without the gear drop and lockout. I thought it was established people don't like lockouts? Savage will introduce the gear drop along with the lockout and tokens. You want that in Alex Story Mode as well? I don't know why everyone considers Story Mode "endgame" when it's clearly for casuals who whined that Coil was too hard to finish.

No matter what they do, SE can't win. The game is easy mode for now and some people complain it's too easy AND some say it's too hard. The game gives you loot on a silver platter and some say they can't be bothered to work at it until they get the gear while others say it's too easy to gear up and the content sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I have a solution.
Step 1-Take your optimal Alexander loot list and print it.
Step 2-Hold the printed list up in a mirror. Follow the order you see in the mirror.
Step 3-Find some decent players and farm A4.
Step 4-Learn lessons from steps 2 and 3. Stop being sheep by going after the same token drops every other sheep is trying to get that week. And find people to play with, it is an mmo. If I can find people to play with on a regular basis, then anyone can. I'm a total asshole.

I followed said steps above and I ran a total of 8 runs of all turns combined. I can wait 2 weeks for a belt from A1 since after the first 2 weeks it'll be hitting the floor on most runs.

I'm more curious how we'll get the new Esoterics. I'm assuming they'll just be attached to the level 60 dungeons like previous tomes, but then what happens to law? Does it get attached to the level 50-60 dungeons? or stay level 60 also?

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Originally Posted by SonTensei

Alright those people who are complaining, question for you? Did you run Coil? T1-T13? If you did you know what the alternative is right?
4 weeks, no drop for your job, 12 clears no weapon drop, etc... I'm fairly certain everyone has encountered a person who has had the bad end of RNGesus.

How many times did the same item no one wanted hit the floor?

The current system is an improvement over that. tell me otherwise and your lying to yourself.

Ran 4 times and lost the lot, finally got on 5th >>>> Ran 4 weeks and nothing dropped for me at all.

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I'd take that over being compelled to run the damn floor 400 times if RNGesus doesn't appeal to me.

*Most* games have traditionally gone "one shot at loot per boss per lockout" since the dawn of time.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

If you'd actually bothered to look through the thread, you would've seen that it's twenty pages of debate, not twenty pages of people agreeing with the OP. There are plenty of people that like this loot system just fine.

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Yeah, I used chest piece as an example because it is the one take the longest to get, that's just same as that "missing piece" from coil you "been farming" for weeks. You won't be missing all 10 pieces from coil, you will only missing 1 piece or 2 the most. And please, stop using the old 2.0 loot as an example, how hard it is to get item in FcoB? You get 1 loot per turns, all u need to do is just farm that turns repeatedly until it drops, yeah, it might take 10-20 trys if you unlucky, but once it drop most likely you will be the one getting it. Now go back to the Alex. check, I already show that on avg. player need 40 trys to get all the tokens. Now please tell me 40 is better than 20 again.

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Originally Posted by senjyo

it take average 40+ run to have enough shaft drops for 6 people

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Originally Posted by senjyo

check, I already show that on avg. player need 40 trys to get all the tokens. Now please tell me 40 is better than 20 again.

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So. Tell me this. How did this turn from 40 runs for six players to get their drops to 40 runs for one player to get them? You didn't even show any actual math to prove either one. Stop inventing numbers. :P

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Originally Posted by Kona_Nightwind

I followed said steps above and I ran a total of 8 runs of all turns combined. I can wait 2 weeks for a belt from A1 since after the first 2 weeks it'll be hitting the floor on most runs.

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Yeah, the optimal loot list already has already been brought up by reddit. But the things is by the time you try to get something that take weeks to farm for (aka pant/chest). It doesn't work, because everyone will be trying to roll for it, and you think you could wait a few weeks, but guess not, people have alt they want to gear and they will still roll for it. Yeah item like belt will sure hit the floor pretty soon because everyone will need 1 or 2, maybe 3 the most but things like crank/shaft/spring will always be on high demand and never fade out until next gear tier appear.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

So. Tell me this. How did this turn from 40 runs for six players to get their drops to 40 runs for one player to get them? You didn't even show any actual math to prove either one. Stop inventing numbers. :P

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Why is it so hard to understand? The drop rate for shaft is 66.6% per clear, and for 6 player (only), u need 37 clears to have total of 24 shaft to drop. Yeah if you get all 4 at the first 4 trys, sure you are lucky, but what about the other 7 people? If you are in a STATIC which everyone is talking about, can u just say "fuck it, u guys are on your own, i am out"? So eventually, doesn't matter how soon you (or someone very lucky) get their chest piece, community as a whole has to go thru that avg. 40 runs.

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Originally Posted by senjyo

Why is it so hard to understand? The drop rate for shaft is 66.6% per clear, and for 6 player (only), u need 37 clears to have total of 24 shaft to drop. Yeah if you get all 4 at the first 4 trys, sure you are lucky, but what about the other 7 people? If you are in a STATIC which everyone is talking about, can u just say "fuck it, u guys are on your own, i am out"? So eventually, doesn't matter how soon you (or someone very lucky) get their chest piece, community as a whole has to go thru that avg. 40 runs.

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I'm actually perfectly good with everyone in my static guaranteed getting a drop every week, even if it takes multiple runs. In Coil, at best two people got lucky and the rest got the shaft (sorry, I had to). Just as often, you ended up with two pieces of gear that nobody really needed, but you were stuck for the week anyway because you already got your clear. RNGesus flips you the bird yet again, and you have to pray harder next week.

Did you also miss the part where you can only get one token per floor per week? You can't even get four shafts in one week, so why is the fact that it takes approximately 37 runs total for six people to get that even a consideration? So what? That's 37 runs over the course of four weeks. You run it several times a week. It shouldn't be much more than six, because the tank body is awful and no tank should be touching that thing with a ten foot pole anyway, so you should only need the chest piece for six people. The other floors, you don't even need to run that much. The great part is that everyone in your static gets the drops they want. Everyone in your static is happy, instead of completely disappointed that the chests contained a dragoon belt and the ninth set of white mage gloves (even the floor owns some now! yay! everyone loves floor drops!).

You're going to need a lot more proof than this to convince me that this is worse than Coil's loot system.

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

And this is exactly what SE wanted when making this system. Something to artificially extend the lifespan of the content until something new is out.

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Not getting something every single week does the exact same thing.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Did you also miss the part where you can only get one token per floor per week? You can't even get four shafts in one week, so why is the fact that it takes approximately 37 runs total for six people to get that even a consideration? So what? That's 37 runs over the course of four weeks.

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So 37 runs in 4 weeks isn't a problem since you only need to run maybe 8-10 times per weeks right? Then why is coils a problem when you only need to do it for 20 times and 1 times per weeks? You see? Your logic is obviously false. And you want to talk about floor drops? How about those 40 runs where nobody going to bother rolling for crank/spring when everyone is trying to get shaft? Also guess what, you already starting to see Chain from A1 hit the floors at 2nd weeks, it won't take long till all the Chain and Bolt will hit floors. Now do you still want to discuss more about floor drops?

And to correct you, 37 runs are base on only 6 people need the chest, if all 8 people need the chest, you need 48 runs to generate enough shaft.

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Originally Posted by senjyo

Your logic is obviously false.

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Yours is obviously MIA. I'm done here, lol. xD

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Now do you still want to discuss more about floor drops?

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Nah. I'm gonna go farm Alex with my static instead. ^^