with this mindset the future looks dim

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I guess the argument is really about DF in general. Using PF or a static, you can pretty much avoid this issue altogether.

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I feel like this is it, at it's core.

People expect different things going into Duty Finder. Specifically for harder content, what I often hear is, "Duty Finder's for casual play, Party Finder's where you go when you want to clear". However, I think that especially as you aren't able to make that initial agreement over experience/intent, it should be the opposite - you should go into Duty Finder on hard content with your diligence done, because personally, I think you owe it to the others there. To at least be ready to go at it seriously, and make effort on your own end not to be the one holding everyone back.

I doubt I'm alone in that - but that's exactly what drives the wedge, is that there's two completely different viewpoints when it comes to that.

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And I can understand that. But I think the most important thing to note before diving into a DF is that everyone you meet there may have different goals and ideals. Having an expectation such as, "everyone here should have watched a video" is setting yourself up for disappointment. Maybe newer players didn't know that was an expectation. A lot of people are assuming "Oh you knew what you had to do. You just didn't because you're lazy." You gotta put yourself in other people's shoes. Through PF, you know what the goal is of everyone (assuming you set it up properly).

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I guess because the CS thing, if you're new, people kick you for watching the CS. Is that respectful?
People SHOULD respect the fact that the new people are wanting to watch the CS's and not be rushed to death.
I personally feel like at the end of the day, people just do not patience in this game and wants to get stuff done as fast
as humanly possible.

I watched a video in Lost city and I still got confused, I now know what to do from actual experience.
Same like making like idk...meatloaf, watched a video, still confused, but after making it a few times I got the
idea of it better.

Watching things =/= Learning yourself first hand.
I was in no way trying to be rude in my previous post btw.

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The other 7 people in your party do care.

Stop being selfish.

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I'm pretty sure not all 7 care if we wiped. It's always one who cares and rants and want to vote to abandon and when its rejected it just makes my day to watch what they will do next. Will they A. stick around B. Rage quit and I just invite an fc/ls member C. Rant and insults everybody in party to get kicked or D. Turn off their game and still get kicked.

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And I can understand that. But I think the most important thing to note before diving into a DF is that everyone you meet there may have different goals and ideals. Having an expectation such as, "everyone here should have watched a video" is setting yourself up for disappointment. Maybe newer players didn't know that was an expectation. A lot of people are assuming "Oh you knew what you had to do. You just didn't because you're lazy." You gotta put yourself in other people's shoes. Through PF, you know what the goal is of everyone (assuming you set it up properly).

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Thing is with dungeons even the hard modes, they are fairly simple and barely anyone minds explaining mechanics to new comers. But by the time people hit Coil and ex they do know that they are expected to at least know what mechanics the fight includes. If they fail them they will be getting tips and advice, but going in blindly in something like T4 or T5 is just wrong.
Typing out an explanation of the phases of either of those two is gonna take much much more than what it would take to watch a little video or read a guide and its just not fair to go in expecting people to be willing to go through all that.

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I'm pretty sure not all 7 care if we wiped. It's always one who cares and rants and want to vote to abandon and when its rejected it just makes my day to watch what they will do next. Will they A. stick around B. Rage quit and I just invite an fc/ls member C. Rant and insults everybody in party to get kicked or D. Turn off their game and still get kicked.

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Being silent doesn't mean they are pleased.

Duty Finder was made to allow.. let's call them 'veterans' to 'Help' noobs getting their trial/dungeon done.

Problem with that, no one bothered. They had to give candies so people would do it. (nowadays it's the norm., I need to get something in return else.. [insert bad words])

Then came relics upgrade.. animus, or so they call it.. which needs a truck of Myth tomes..

People go in DF for their own selfish need, not caring at all to anything, they want to speed run through it so they get 'their' rewards.

You're a noob, let us drive you with it, just tag along for the free ride, and yes, you'll still be a noob with no clue about what just transpired here. Just don't waste our time.

and hey! don't you dare click need on a piece that my alt needs.. because even if the button pops up, and you paid for the same game than me, you just can't.

I'll report you. Don't you dare reply to me, I'll report you as well. (bullying much)
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The idea was good from SE to help those who cannot communicate and form parties, belong to FC.. (I would assume japanese-based, but it can be anyone who wants to solo an MMO.. or PS4 with no keyboard - my favorite ^^)

But to put Myth tomes and Soldiery.. bad idea...

Take them off? No one will ever wink at DF.. so what could be the plan?

As only a minority of the whole community reads these posts, what can we do to resolve this issue?

Make diff servers? 1- those who help everyone 2 - those who don't

we could see how long #2 would stay alive ^^

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Firstly, don't you need a full PT to enter T4 and T5 through DF? If not then ignore this, but that kind of prevents the issue in the first place. I'm referring to DF solo.

Secondly, I honestly don't think explanations need to be longer. If it's 1 or 2 people, you can hit the main points in a sentence or two, job-specific that is.

Thirdly, my point still stands. Going into DF with expectations is setting yourself up for disaster, because everyone has different goals. Those goals may not involve watching/reading but just practicing. The only expectation I have with a DF group is that you try your best and try to learn from your mistakes. For everything else, there's PF.

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Originally Posted by Luxx

Watching things =/= Learning yourself first hand.

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Honestly, we don't expect you to get things immediately just because you watched a video. But on the hard content, it gives you a frame of reference. An idea. A baseline. We can answer it from there, we can clarify, we can expand on 'why is stacking so important during fireballs' or 'oh, yeah, ranged stand here because they can target both the adjacent sections while tornados are active'.

Trying to teach you from scratch with words is even harder if there's no mental "oh, that's what that weird thing with the rocks was in the video" to link it to.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

People expect different things going into Duty Finder. Specifically for harder content, what I often hear is, "Duty Finder's for casual play, Party Finder's where you go when you want to clear". However, I think that especially as you aren't able to make that initial agreement over experience/intent, it should be the opposite - you should go into Duty Finder on hard content with your diligence done, because personally, I think you owe it to the others there. To at least be ready to go at it seriously, and make effort on your own end not to be the one holding everyone back.

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When you unlock new content the tells you straight up use duty finder to complete said duty. Yes duty finder not party finder. It don't tell you to go watch a video which I dont or tell you read a strategy guide wbich I do. Watching videos is a waste of time especially Mrhappy guides 30 minutes of him rambling no thqnks.

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typically people like that will take days off of work to raid 8-10 hours a day to clear content/reach world firsts and have more time on their hands than those who learned from a guide and just want to play a couple hours a night.

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If you can't play as much as an Hardcore - don't try, and stay casual. Endgame might be hard-of-reach, but still accessible.

- Still, you should be entitled to get help, noob or not, to improve yourself, if you ask, and then your party, having a good time, enjoying the game - the way you want it, not how others wants you to enjoy it the same way they do.

Cookie Cutters is good, but if I want to enjoy CS and try my best without vids, it's my choice. (I won't DF that, mind you ;) )

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Originally Posted by Luxx

I guess because the CS thing, if you're new, people kick you for watching the CS. Is that respectful?
People SHOULD respect the fact that the new people are wanting to watch the CS's and not be rushed to death.
I personally feel like at the end of the day, people just do not patience in this game and wants to get stuff done as fast
as humanly possible.

I watched a video in Lost city and I still got confused, I now know what to do from actual experience.

Watching things =/= Learning yourself first hand.

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It's not respectful. This is why I'm saying a little respect goes a long way - on both ends. Those watching the CS's can try to fill out a party before going into DF, but I'm not going to expect them to build a full party. And even if they go in alone, 100% of the people should respect them and let them watch the cutscenes. But again, I perhaps have high expectations expecting -both ends- to put in -any- effort.

And you're right - people DO want to get things done fast. That's the kind of environment SquarEnix and the players have created. This flawed system of Myth currently is the best example - by making it so that the final boss doesn't drop myth, they made it so people could -easily- speed run. And no matter what they do, people -will- find a way to speed run.

I think the opo opo minion's a step in the right direction, though. Putting rewards behind the final boss is great.

As for watching the video, this is to serve the purpose of a supplement. It lets you know what will come, and it lets you know in advance what will be happening. It is to increase your awareness. I agree 100% that you will only learn by experiencing - as I am much the same. Until I have suffered something, I do not understand, but once I have - my reaction is better. Even still, my reaction in fights can only be improved by reading and watching something.

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That last comment is so hypocritical its hilarious.

Yes, there was a an actual team, A group of people who know each/are in a static/fc and know that being the first one will require wipes.
On the other hand we now have a bunch of randoms getting thrown into a group by pure chance into content that has been out for ages.

If you cannot see the difference here i dunno what to say.

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I am glad that I made you laugh ^^

If randoms cannot speak to each other - like it usually is.. then it's the entire party's fault.

Even if you have read all and watched all.. nothing will truly be ingrained until you experience it for yourself.

out for ages - I return your compliment you made for mine - this game isn't even 1 year old.. Let's chill out and enjoy - what a game should be.

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I frequent DF to practice. I practiced T4 in DF and cleared it for the first time there. Studying the fight helped me learn it faster because I was aware of whats coming my way. I didn't feel like a burden on my party because all they had to do was just give little advices when I made mistakes or anyone else of the new people in the run did. Had anyone else in the run or myself come in with zero knowledge the run would have been a lot more painful. I do expect the worst in DF not gonna lie, but I'm simply trying here to just explain why it would be in everyone's good to at least know what you are going in to.
And yeah you can DF T1-5 solo.

*goes in DF to clear endgame content - expecting a win in 30 minutes, on the first try.. so not to waste time..

I recall someone saying: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome - there was a term used for it..

If you enter a trial with 120 minutes - be sure to expect that it can take that long. And of course I wish you that you will have cleared it by the end, else there's no tomorrow..

People that clears all in the first week, with sometimes only 1 job (god forbid CC skills), are complaining the game is stale, there's nothing to do, I'm bored, I should quit.. game sux..

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And you are part of that toxic player base not bothering to look up any tacts because you want someone to tell you. That's lazy.

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....and you are part of that toxic/no manners/unhelpful community we have today.

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Ah, I could have sworn you had to be in a full PT to enter. Maybe I'm thinking of something else...I dunno.

And I completely understand what you're saying. I just try to avoid conflict as much as possible, so I avoid as many expectations as possible when it comes to random people. It may benefit to go in being calm and not thinking about stuff like that, if DF is truly the option you are going with. That's all I'm trying to say :)

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Because I'm tired of wiping for 2 hours because of people like you

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Ahh a newbie mmo player! They stick out like sore fingers. No patience, no idea of how long raiding used to be in the decent MMO's (remember those 8 hour corpse drags EQers? - FEAR!!!)

I'm with the OP on this...and I can't believe the amount of negativity and elitism here! Are you guys serious!? People should not be chastised for asking for a little advice. Period. This is an mmo. A place where we should help one another out. everyone has different experiences, so you can't expect everyone to know the mechanics of the fight right away. I don't care if it's PF, DF, whatever. It shouldn't be a REQUIREMENT to go to a website/youtube/whatever and study the mechanics before a fight.

This is the kind of crap that dulls out MMO's for me. (and I'm sure a lot of other people...but I know I don't speak for everyone) I guess I should just be grateful I hardly need to use DF/PF thanks to my FC. But wow people....just wow.

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Ah, I could have sworn you had to be in a full PT to enter. Maybe I'm thinking of something else...I dunno.

And I completely understand what you're saying. I just try to avoid conflict as much as possible, so I avoid as many expectations as possible when it comes to random people. It may benefit to go in being calm and not thinking about stuff like that, if DF is truly the option you are going with. That's all I'm trying to say :)

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T4 I did many times solo, but T5 i practised on PF but I believe you can enter it solo on DF too.. I <3 you because you get where I come from, because you are rational and balmungian <3

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This is a very self-centered arguement, and works from both end. Players who support watching videos could easily say - "That's what party finder's for - to make learning parties. When I go into duty finder, I expect to find people who know the fight."

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What if.. SE disallowed any Vids or strategy guides? Like it would be against the ToS..

Oh my, you would now really see what MASSIVE is in MMOs.. they would all be leaving lol

DF is for a challenge - to expect the unexpected. If you want to be 100% sure at things - PF, or FC.

Even so.. there are still wipes lolol

One thing you are right: respect. if you don't want to waste time and others - PF. *SE will have to put a Terms and conditions to click to agree before DF lolol (Before entering, make sure yo have 90 minutes - you'll encounter noobs with no prior experience or watched a vid - Agreed?)

I am with an FC that let us have a take at new content, and see with our shiny eyes all of the deads lying around. *fun, if you know what I mean ^^

Then, we will watch Videos and read strats when we had enough. (thank you to those who made it and took the time to put it to all of us, because no one communicates these days lol *Mr. Happy, even long ones, are very nice to watch - Kudos Mr.)

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If you can't even pay the basest of respects and watch a video once, do not expect respect and hand holding to be lavished on you - people will call you what you are: Lazy.

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Your last comment, using 3rd person to give out what you actually think, is nice as well ^^

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What if.. SE disallowed any Vids or strategy guides? Like it would be against the ToS..

Oh my, you would now really see what MASSIVE is in MMOs.. they would all be leaving lol

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So just for sake of argument about your insanity idea. How would they even ban it if they wanted? Spy your whole PC which could utterly destroy them when found out?

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But again, I perhaps have high expectations expecting -both ends- to put in -any- effort.

And you're right - people DO want to get things done fast. That's the kind of environment SquarEnix and the players have created. This flawed system of Myth currently is the best example - by making it so that the final boss doesn't drop myth, they made it so people could -easily- speed run. And no matter what they do, people -will- find a way to speed run.

I think the opo opo minion's a step in the right direction, though. Putting rewards behind the final boss is great.

Even still, my reaction in fights can only be improved by reading and watching something.

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Lots of good stuf in here mister ^^

Yup, having high expectations is a bane and boon. SE created the Environment so those who can get around and saving minutes will do it. Flawed system -I completely agree.

opo-opo as well - if only all drops were like this, no more complaints. except having to run 1000 times the same dungeon, then SR will kick in again ;)

The only point here I digress is 'can only be improved by' - if weight of the land is there, it's your own reaction (minus the lag/latency, mind you) and not the video or strat that will have dodge it for you.

You know it will come, for you have seen it in the vid, but what if bec of echo DPS will jump the phase, and it will appear in 2:13 sec instead of 2:19.. are you telling me you'll be done for? I am sure not.

Expect the unexpected, continue to be nice and give tips, and you shall get your win, DF or PF or whatever ^^

Yeah, I don't watch vids, but then I prefer not to be told the mechanics too. If people blurt them out I won't complain because I know they mean the best and are making an effort to help, but I do prefer to be surprised by things and get enjoyment from learning on the go, even if there are some failures. Of course if somethings proving difficult on the first / second attempt, tips are welcome, and if I'm really frustrated and clueless I might decide to cheat and watch a vid before the next run. Yes "cheat" :P

I know this sounds selfish to some people but I'm not asking for any special consideration that I wouldn't give to any other player. I'd have no issue with meeting a new player in duty finder that fails repeatedly, and in fact it makes the encounter more fresh and fun. I think it's a much richer experience and more immersive experience when a character that's new to a dungeon would actually not know what to do immediately. I find the drone runs where everyone follows the script pretty dull, because I'm not a mindless loot hound, but someone who actually enjoys content for what it is, so I wouldn't ever encourage people to watch the vid first.

Ultimately though I respect that it's my opinion and I don't try to enforce it. If the group isn't happy with me being new, it's their choice to leave / kick / vote abandon or carry on, and I'll respect whatever choice is made. What I won't respect is people being rude or insulting based on my decision to queue as a new player.

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Yeah, I don't watch vids, but then I prefer not to be told the mechanics too. If people blurt them out I won't complain because I know they mean the best and are making an effort to help, but I do prefer to be surprised by things and get enjoyment from learning on the go, even if there are some failures. Of course if somethings proving difficult on the first / second attempt, tips are welcome, and if I'm really frustrated and clueless I might decide to cheat and watch a vid before the next run. Yes "cheat" :P

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Ultimately though I respect that it's my opinion and I don't try to enforce it. If the group isn't happy with me being new, it's their choice to leave / kick / vote abandon or carry on, and I'll respect whatever choice is made. What I won't respect is people being rude or insulting based on my decision to queue as a new player.

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You sir are probably so much fun to play ARR with. :) /applaud

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I'm with the OP on this...and I can't believe the amount of negativity and elitism here! Are you guys serious!? People should not be chastised for asking for a little advice. Period. This is an mmo. A place where we should help one another out. everyone has different experiences, so you can't expect everyone to know the mechanics of the fight right away. I don't care if it's PF, DF, whatever. It shouldn't be a REQUIREMENT to go to a website/youtube/whatever and study the mechanics before a fight.

This is the kind of crap that dulls out MMO's for me. (and I'm sure a lot of other people...but I know I don't speak for everyone) I guess I should just be grateful I hardly need to use DF/PF thanks to my FC. But wow people....just wow.

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Amen.

On a side note, Love your character name! ^^

I guess you knew it was coming right? hehehe

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This is why you have PF, so you can set up a party with exp peoples. Why the hell are you going into DF for lol?
You get anyone from everyone by jumping into DF. Make your own PT.

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You're making the assumption that PF parties fill up instantly. They do not. And on my server, often 1 wipe (even if we made reasonable progress) = entire party disbands.
I'm not saying "don't make mistakes" but people come into DF assuming at least people have a basic idea for END GAME content. Again this only applies to coil/extreme primals.
If I walked into Castrum or Titan Hard Mode and 1 guy said "hi im new" I'd be like ok whatever I'm overgeared and can just carry you so it doesn't matter. I think the complaint here is "people wanna clear end game content, PF doesn't always work out, so they try DF and they get this".

Inversely I can tell you the same thing "why are you going into DF to be a landmine for 7 others? you could have made your own PT for newbs to learn and practice the content"

I have zero expectations when it comes to the DF however this is raid content.
Even if it is 'last seasons' content it is still raid content and yes you should do some research before hand and not walk in blind.

Welcome to MMO's in the last five or so years. Honestly if this is the thing you're going to complain about its high time you left the genre.

Put in the time and effort to know and understand the fight you're going into and save the other seven people the headache of having to be the youtube video for you. the days of trying without knowing are long dead unless you're the world / server first types who go in and set up the videos in the first place.

It's not just this, but -every- mmo that will essentially require this. The only other option you have is to set up a partyfinder and let people know that it's your intention to go in blind. You may even get a few to join. Seriously though, I have zero compassion for this whine. Adapt to the genre or fall out of it.

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So just for sake of argument about your insanity idea. How would they even ban it if they wanted? Spy your whole PC which could utterly destroy them when found out?

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Heya Assirra! ^^

There is a slim line between insanity and genius some says ;)

(I hope I won't reach my amount of post for the day >.<)

Something along the small characters when you sign an agreement, that you would accept that the game will make sure to log any parser/vid/blablabla

By no means destroying anything lol (who's insane now?) - but like gil sellers or harassment, perma ban.

You pay the game - you play their rules, or don't play. Simple.

*this 'know before you know' is what's hilarious.

Play the game, with others - others means: not like you. don't expect anyone beside yourself to be.. you.

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If you're not going to make the effort to watch a video or read a guide, why should your group make the effort to explain the mechanics?

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Even if you did you'll still be criticized , chastised , and any form of negativity that ever been developed on this world if you wiped once for not doing your job. The overall mmo's communities have gotten impatient and worst where you should automatically know everything the other player knows.

This is the future of online gaming everybody

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Originally Posted by Velo_Vandore

Yeah, I don't watch vids, but then I prefer not to be told the mechanics too. If people blurt them out I won't complain because I know they mean the best and are making an effort to help, but I do prefer to be surprised by things and get enjoyment from learning on the go, even if there are some failures. Of course if somethings proving difficult on the first / second attempt, tips are welcome, and if I'm really frustrated and clueless I might decide to cheat and watch a vid before the next run. Yes "cheat" :P

I know this sounds selfish to some people but I'm not asking for any special consideration that I wouldn't give to any other player. I'd have no issue with meeting a new player in duty finder that fails repeatedly, and in fact it makes the encounter more fresh and fun. I think it's a much richer experience and more immersive experience when a character that's new to a dungeon would actually not know what to do immediately. I find the drone runs where everyone follows the script pretty dull, because I'm not a mindless loot hound, but someone who actually enjoys content for what it is, so I wouldn't ever encourage people to watch the vid first.

Ultimately though I respect that it's my opinion and I don't try to enforce it. If the group isn't happy with me being new, it's their choice to leave / kick / vote abandon or carry on, and I'll respect whatever choice is made. What I won't respect is people being rude or insulting based on my decision to queue as a new player.

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And another one that gets it ^^

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*this 'know before you know' is what's hilarious.

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It is because the ones that made those videos beat it a certain way doesn't mean that's the only way to beat it.

One way Square-Enix can combat it is by testing it themselves and releasing themselves the methods that work and who it is designed for instead.

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Originally Posted by Turbotailz86

Even if you did you'll still be criticized , chastised , and any form of negativity that ever been developed on this world if you wiped once for not doing your job. The overall mmo's communities have gotten impatient and worst where you should automatically know everything the other player knows.

This is the future of online gaming everybody

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Humanity at its finest, I dare say.

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You're making the assumption that PF parties fill up instantly. They do not. And on my server, often 1 wipe (even if we made reasonable progress) = entire party disbands.

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I never said that. That's exactly why people do no want to use the PF. Well....sucks balls I guess lol.
You either.

A.) Go to DF expect random new people or people who do not know the run and explain...or don't explain, or just let them run wild and wipe and try again.

Or.

B.) Wait 5 years for your ideal party of experienced players.

Pick your fate here.

People in this community just ain't patient. It's sad as hell. Really awful community.
I'm not going to go with the flow because you people think it's an absolute necessity to read or view videos
for some dungeon lol. I'll wait till I need SE to tell me than some random players telling what I need to do in a game.
It's ridiculous. What's more funny people expect you get god tier people in DF but doesn't wanna use PF because it takes too long
to round up a team. Well, I dunno what to tell ya.

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T4 I did many times solo, but T5 i practised on PF but I believe you can enter it solo on DF too.. I <3 you because you get where I come from, because you are rational and balmungian <3

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I feel being rational should be a prerequisite for being for being a leader :) We're looking for new members, just down the road from <<SUN>> on the other side of Mist :P

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B.) Wait 5 years for your ideal party of experienced players.

Pick your fate here.

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Fortunately it took me about 5 weeks to finally form a static to down both T4 and T5. In every learning/practice PF that I have tried people would leave/disband etc. Once coil got added to duty finder for solo queing I tried to practice T5 but nobody even wanted to discuss strats inside. So I think the moral of the story is, people are gonna be jerks whether or not you watched a video/read a guide but at least if you did those 2, it can be easy to discuss the strat for newbies when entering.



Can you imagine walking into T5 and tank goes "ok guys for the dive bombs everyone run into that ditch there" - dive bombs come, the newbs have no idea what a dive bomb is or how it works and continue wiping. Guides/videos basically help give an "idea" of what the fight is about so even if you have new players they know the terminology to learn the fight. Obviously experience/practice is the best tool but by going in blindly for raid content/not knowing the terminology you're just being ignorant.



It's like if you were going to go a cake convention and you walk in there going "hay gaiz whats goin on? Anyone for some pickles?"

Of course you don't have to watch videos, or learn content, it's completely your choice - but then it's also the choice of those who you end up with whether or not they want to put up with your ignorance of not doing any research for end game raid content. Like I said earlier - the guy didn't have to be rude, he could have just said "welp I don't have time to teach newbies sorry" and just left the party. Also I never ever expect god tier people in DF lmao - I think everyone is missing that point. We don't expect pros in DF, but when someone is completely new to the mechanics its a waste of time just having to explain every single terminology/attack/debuff that goes on in the fight from scratch. It's obviously a gamble but sometimes DF queus can be faster so people take that gamble in the hopes they get 7 others like them who just want to clear content and have knowledge of the fight.

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I feel being rational should be a prerequisite for being for being a leader :) We're looking for new members, just down the road from <<SUN>> on the other side of Mist :P

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Yes.. Good, good. Now make love to one another and give us a mixed breed race like Lilisette within the character creator.

honestly... if you go into a fight without AT LEAST looking it up or knowing whats going on you are wasting ya time man, people will leave people will bitch people cry all kinds of dumb shit. save yourself the headache and just look it up shit only takes a few mins. i know it sucks but thats just they way MMO's are now days brotha. gotta adapt to the times.

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

Yes.. Good, good. Now make love to one another and give us a mixed breed race like Lilisette within the character creator.

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Don't trivialize my desperation! Or boredom!

I've said what I needed to say in this thread :P

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Originally Posted by LOLyYOUcryin

honestly... if you go into a fight without AT LEAST looking it up or knowing whats going on you are wasting ya time man, people will leave people will bitch people cry all kinds of dumb shit. save yourself the headache and just look it up shit only takes a few mins. i know it sucks but thats just they way MMO's are now days brotha. gotta adapt to the times.

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Thing about looking it up is that it doesn't give you the hands on experience oh how the fight happens. Some people need that to get accustom to the fights.

Phases sometimes happen faster or slower than what's on the video and if you mess up or people know that someone was a first timer they go bonkers with the insults or put everyone in a sour mood with, "omg we can do this with this group" and proceeds to drop from party.

The overall end game environment is getting worse not better. Only way to make it tolerable is by creating a static of people you'll have to deal with in a daily to weekly basis and even then sometimes people crack that farce after a couple of attempts and cause so much drama.

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Originally Posted by Turbotailz86

Even if you did you'll still be criticized , chastised , and any form of negativity that ever been developed on this world if you wiped once for not doing your job. The overall mmo's communities have gotten impatient and worst where you should automatically know everything the other player knows.

This is the future of online gaming everybody

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it's only the future for lazy people who don't want to actually put in the time to learn fights and just want to get carried by 7 others who did. If you're going to waste the time of 7 other people by being self-righteous and childish (people talking about not wanting to be 'spoiled'? Really?) then make friends who will learn the fights with you. Just because it's in DF doesn't mean you can only use DF.