I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

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Originally Posted by van_arn

He should get gear from an npc before making a party suffer.

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The game doesn't flat out tell you where these NPCs are tbh. I regularly have to google their locations and didn't even know you could purchase all levels of npc gear until I started leveling crafters.

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

Cool, so you have no problem with a Tank in level 15 Discipline of War gear running Arum Vale.

Good to know.

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I don't. Either I pull out Titan when he dies, or I keep him alive as healer.
Been there, done that.
Aurum Vale really isn't the hell hole people make it out to be, not anymore.

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Originally Posted by NekoNova

Aurum Vale really isn't the hell hole people make it out to be, not anymore.

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Aurum Vale may or may not have been nerfed or whatever, but the real reason it isn't a hell hole anymore is because so many people are completely overgeared for it.

I always keep the party in progress option ticked when running roulettes. As a result, I can't tell you how many times I've joined runs through this dungeon, only for the other 3 party members to quit. I then sit around, waiting for 3 more people. Then we complete the dungeon without any of the original people who queued for it.

So yeah. There are still parties who can't get past the first boss.

To tie this into the topic at hand, a single party member wearing crap gear seems to be fine and dandy in the eyes of many because it doesn't affect the run much. But when running with random people, who can guarantee that the other 3 party members will be capable of carrying the 4th? What if you end up with 4 people all wearing level 15 gear in the Aurum Vale?

I am right now, in this very second, in a similar situation:

After I got my Red Mage to 70, I am going to play a bit on my Scholar, who is Level 62, only a bit short of finishing Heavensward (so the cat in red talks to me again...).
Now I read about the last instance being an item level 210 dungeon. Right now, I have 190 on my Scholar, but 230 on my Red Mage (both with mix and match gear because until I finalized my characters, I don't want to bleed my funds away for a few levels). I am really on the edge of spending x00,000 of gil - or use my red mage earrings and jewelry to get over that border.

So far, the wipe was not on my side, and I am doing fine to good, getting MVPs and all that, so I don't see a problem. If we struggle, I voluntary leave it. But before that moment when we constantly wipe - it should be okay, no?

More importantly: Are you really, like REALLY going trough all the people's gear in an instance? That is what makes me think what you would do with a parser...?

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

Personally for me, I don't think the issue is that I wouldn't be able to beat the content i I think the issue is that I don't want to carry people through the content.

I treat everyone undergeared like I do a tank that is undergeared. It's not *can* we do this, it's "why should I have to put up with you?"

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Look, this is a very subjective way to look onto the matter. Imagine you are distracted, let's say the phone rings, or someone talking to you, and you die. I just see you died. Nothing else, no circumstance behind. You ran/stood into an AoE and you drop dead.
Can I now kick you too, because why should I have to revive people like you that can't even walk out of circles? Now you can insert this to any little detail, inconvenience,...

Not that I would do that, but until you are player #1 on the imaginary world rank list, why do you think you are immune to kicks out of the same reason? I rather have a floating threshold of kickings than this strict "He has the wrong ring on the left hand, dat nub, kick him!".

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

Right now, I have 190 on my Scholar, but 230 on my Red Mage (both with mix and match gear because until I finalized my characters, I don't want to bleed my funds away for a few levels). I am really on the edge of spending x00,000 of gil - or use my red mage earrings and jewelry to get over that border.

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You could also buy gear with Poetic tomestones. i260 accessories only cost 180 tomestones each. Gil isn't the only way to obtain gear.

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

Look, this is a very subjective way to look onto the matter. Imagine you are distracted, let's say the phone rings, or someone talking to you, and you die. I just see you died. Nothing else, no circumstance behind. You ran/stood into an AoE and you drop dead.
Can I now kick you too, because why should I have to revive people like you that can't even walk out of circles? Now you can insert this to any little detail, inconvenience,...

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You could kick that player, yes. You could also ask them what caused their death.

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

I am right now, in this very second, in a similar situation:

After I got my Red Mage to 70, I am going to play a bit on my Scholar, who is Level 62, only a bit short of finishing Heavensward (so the cat in red talks to me again...).
Now I read about the last instance being an item level 210 dungeon. Right now, I have 190 on my Scholar, but 230 on my Red Mage (both with mix and match gear because until I finalized my characters, I don't want to bleed my funds away for a few levels). I am really on the edge of spending x00,000 of gil - or use my red mage earrings and jewelry to get over that border.

So far, the wipe was not on my side, and I am doing fine to good, getting MVPs and all that, so I don't see a problem. If we struggle, I voluntary leave it. But before that moment when we constantly wipe - it should be okay, no?

More importantly: Are you really, like REALLY going trough all the people's gear in an instance? That is what makes me think what you would do with a parser...?




Look, this is a very subjective way to look onto the matter. Imagine you are distracted, let's say the phone rings, or someone talking to you, and you die. I just see you died. Nothing else, no circumstance behind. You ran/stood into an AoE and you drop dead.
Can I now kick you too, because why should I have to revive people like you that can't even walk out of circles? Now you can insert this to any little detail, inconvenience,...

Not that I would do that, but until you are player #1 on the imaginary world rank list, why do you think you are immune to kicks out of the same reason? I rather have a floating threshold of kickings than this strict "He has the wrong ring on the left hand, dat nub, kick him!".

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Are you comparing making a mistake to the very basics of having decent iLvl gear for the dungeon?

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

I don't think purposely wearing the wrong gear should be considered a "playing it your own way."

Besides, it's not like they get kicked for just being ignorant. It's usually their toxic responses that lead to the rest of the party agreeing with it. For example, it could go something like this.

"Hey black mage, why are you wearing strength acessories?"

"They increase my hit chance.".....

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One thing WoW did a few years back to eliminate this confusion was to remove do-nothing stats from character sheets.
For example, STR just doesn't show up any more for my Shaman, but if I played a warrior, it would be there.

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Originally Posted by NekoNova

I don't. Either I pull out Titan when he dies, or I keep him alive as healer.
Been there, done that.
Aurum Vale really isn't the hell hole people make it out to be, not anymore.

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In 5.0, Titan cannot be targetable by enemies. So, you will need to make a new workaround for this.

Also, yes, Aurum Vale isn’t really a hell hole, it is my favorite ARR dungeon. I used it in my response since it does cause some pains for people.

You may be ok with carrying, but most are not. If the tank cannot tank, there is no reason to have that tank there.

Remember, when you are in a party, you are outsourcing certain duties to other people that can do those duties better than you (in theory). You outsource healing to the healer in the group, since your healing as a SMN is next-to-nothing. The healer outsources most of their DPS responsibly to you, the SMN, since you can execute DPSing better and more efficient than a healer DPSing full time. It would make no sense for a healer to be DPSing full time and making the SMN main heal if both are in the same party.

So, why would it be ok, for you as a SMN, to take over the tanking role, by insourcing that duty from the Tank? You want to be able to freely DPS as a DPS class, which you insourced those responsibilities from the healer and tank. If you now insource tanking, what does the purpose of having that tank around?

It doesn’t matter if it is Aurum Vale with level 15 DoW Gear of Doma with 260 Gear, if you have to completely insource another person’s role, because they don’t have the gear to help do their role, there is no reason for that person to stay in the current party.

Carrying the weak link, due to gear, does nothing more than allow that person to move to the next dungeon in line, thinking everything is fine. That person will run into someone who will kick them, and they will wonder why it was OK for the X number of dungeons be geared as they are, but not now at this higher level dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Janhyua

To all the player who think kicking people who wear under 10 level difference is wrong
https://i.imgur.com/2ofd9ky.jpg

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I never had a problem doing any of the roles in that dungeon with augmented shire gear pulling from boss to boss with said gear. What's the issue with that dungeon specifically?

Edit: I'm dumb

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

I am right now, in this very second, in a similar situation:

After I got my Red Mage to 70, I am going to play a bit on my Scholar, who is Level 62, only a bit short of finishing Heavensward (so the cat in red talks to me again...).
Now I read about the last instance being an item level 210 dungeon. Right now, I have 190 on my Scholar, but 230 on my Red Mage (both with mix and match gear because until I finalized my characters, I don't want to bleed my funds away for a few levels). I am really on the edge of spending x00,000 of gil - or use my red mage earrings and jewelry to get over that border.

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I feel like you glossed over the two times I went into detail explaining about the questioning process, and how I only kick people who are jerks or walls (Don't respond). You're a good person who looks out for the team. You mentioned you had gearing issues, and you went through the effort to explain that. I can understand that, and you'd get a pass! I'd have to be some kind of jerk to kick you for being a decent person.

What I'm saying (again), is that when I notice people with weird gear. I ask them "hey, why are you decked out in strength accessories on your black mage? That doesn't make sense!" And the response are often "screw you, strength increases my hit chance with spells," or "STR increases the armor percentage on my gear."

Then when I try to correct them--they get hostile and combative. Yes, I know not everyone wants to be critiqued on their terrible gear choices, but since their terrible gear choices are as much my problem as they are their problem. It's my problem, because it LITERALLY affects my game-play. Therefore, I am entitled to have an opinion on it. So I give my opinion, and if they're jerks--I don't sit there and haggle with them. I just kick them. And my party members almost always agree. Therefore I feel justified in my actions. No one wants to party with some self-absorbed bumble-weasel who thinks str means whatever it is they want it to mean.

I play to have fun, and I want to play with fun people. So if they're fun. And they communicate--I can (and will) carry them. It'll be a good ol' time, even if we wipe. But if they're jerks, or they're spewing toxic profanity--then I not only show them the door--I gladly push them out.

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As for the guy who says he doesn't see this often. Sure, these things don't often happen organically. You need a compassion for this kind of thing. I'm like the Thanos of kicking people out of groups. But not every group has a Thanos. So you experience only what you encounter or bring to the table. -shrugs-

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Originally Posted by Enjuden

I never had a problem doing any of the roles in that dungeon with augmented shire gear pulling from boss to boss with said gear. What's the issue with that dungeon specifically?

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But it's not about shire, it's about ironworks...so lvl 50 gear...

From level 50 or above I would vote kick them too if they are arrogant about it. I have no issue with it at all to give them the boot. Listen, you are playing an M M O. I value my time, I value other people their time. Doing to basic thing such as gearing properly is paramount. If you don't respect your fellow team mates on such a basis level, then go waste your own time playing an offline game. Had a Bardam's Mettle today where the Samurai had like VIT accessories. Essentially, I think current level gives 80 strength per piece. He was missing like 400 STR. BuT WhY KicK WheN ItS OnlY 2% LeSs DaMagE? It blows my mind that there are people out there so utterly selfish that they would excuse this behaviour. Go be lazy somewhere else, I'm not having it.

When I was leveling War, I made sure I had up to date gear in all dungeons, and used my CDs. Sometimes even this wasn't enough and I had to meld tenacity, since healers just weren't healing enough. I probably should have checked their gear and kicked them tbh, I added to the problem by carrying them through.
Especially that healer that had a go at me for dying, when I did a large pull and he was just spamming gravity in bardams mettle.
Not even my holmgang could save me then, the healer just didn't heal me. He tried to blame it on my gear, when I had 80% of the gear from that dungeon, and the rest HQ highest Ilvl melded XD

This is actually a common thing I've noticed now that im leveling some classes again, people don't bother to upgrade their gear and just go through the motions of things. You notice it even more when a tank or healer does it as the healing starts to lack or the tank can't hold aggro etc... While vote dismiss abuse is bad I can't but to want to kick people who don't care enough to update their gear some just because the others can pick up the slack.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

But it's not about shire, it's about ironworks...so lvl 50 gear...

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I can't read :(

man y'all are some salty people. if you're worried about dps being meh, go as a very strong dps or dps as a healer. if you're worried about your tank sucking, go as a strong healer and laugh as you can survive single pulls without even having a tank. bosses hit hard? know the fights and pre-shield TBs. bad attitudes? you're probably coming off as either rude or naggy .. gear 1-60 is a joke and even just spamming dungeons, you'll be unable to keep even remotely decent gear. a weak person in a leveling dungeon is as common as a fat kid in a candy store. chill out, you probably won't fail, and unless your healer was actually good, you were probably going to get single pulls anyways.

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

In the past that may be true in regards to the MB, we now have world visit now and can shop the MB else where unless prices are like that across all servers on your DC than I am sorry that sucks that rings cost that much where you are at. But seriously use the world visit, shop the MB elsewhere, its your gil, you worked hard for it, take it where you get the best value for it.

As for rings it stops at 28 as npc vendors will not sell anything in ARR at beyond that level not even in Mor Dhona. Level 38 rings are crafted. Then picks back up at 50. There are ring drops in HM dungeons but you are better off getting Iron works rings because you can augment them to an higher ilvl. I want to say 125. If you have Ishgard open for 51-60 characters you get amber things from leves that are used to get accessories like rings, necklaces, bracelets for 51-59. I want to say if I recall, you get coffers as well from quests that give primal accessories.

With the exception of the rings stopping at level 28 and then picking back up at lvl 38 and then from level 50ish. A lot of things are available to the player at little to no cost. Just requires a little effort on the player's part. Tomes are silly easy to get. leves are even more easy. In honesty its a good habit to try to stay current on your gear. I am just tired of seeing folks in weathered accessories at 35 and up (the brand new ring is good through 50 +3 all stats).

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Yeah I get you. And I don't have that issue anymore but I just wanted to mention I used too and wanted to express it still happens is all. ^^ Friends with icecream?

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

Yeah I get you. And I don't have that issue anymore but I just wanted to mention I used too and wanted to express it still happens is all. ^^ Friends with icecream?

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Dang it my weakness. You won me over with ice cream. lol

So what exactly are you kicking them for? I'm confused. Is it because they are doing less dps? Because that's technically against tos. As I was told and read in the tos you can not belittle players or make them feel bad or as a worse player because they aren't doing "optimal dps" or using "optimal rotations".

For a normal dungeon, if I notice something's off and I see players with wrong gear, I'll call them out. If they start being hostile, they're getting the boot - I'm not required to put up with your crap. If they say something like, "Oh, I need DEX to be able to hit" while on a magic class, I'll tell them this is FFXIV and it doesn't use that kind of system and explain how the game works - it's fine, I can take the time to explain the game and make it better for the player in question and their future party members. If they insist, they get the boot - players willfully being ignorant and unwilling to learn are genuinely bad players. I don't give bad players respect or empathy.

I'm actually a bit distressed by how many posters say they're okay with letting basic competence slide.

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Originally Posted by Dfess

So what exactly are you kicking them for? I'm confused. Is it because they are doing less dps? Because that's technically against tos. As I was told and read in the tos you can not belittle players or make them feel bad or as a worse player because they aren't doing "optimal dps" or using "optimal rotations".

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They don't get kicked for having "wrong" gear", suboptimal rotation or just being a bad player.
They get kicked for their sh***y attitude and being a jerk in the chat when they are confronted with their illogical choice of gear.

I once did heal in the Vault with a lol-weapon (i37 or i1xx, whatever) without noticing. In effect, I did find healing a bit challenging there, until before last boss the tank noticed my weapon, and my reaction was "wut? OMG", then we made a laugh but completed it.

Sometime mistakes aren't a troll intent, and sometime people really believe the wrong thing about how stats works. Just politely point it out to them.

But if you are met with arrogance, the kick is legit imho.

Honestly, reading some of these comments makes me think that this game is not for me anymore and that people have grown so silly and lazy and selfish. It is Wrong to level with the wrong gear in an MMO. Yes, there are different steps as to how wrong it is depending on what level of content you are in. But I personally have always felt that I need to be as up to date as possible with my gear. Not only to give myself a better experience, but also the people I come into contact with. The people who defend players not excercising basic ettiquette are selfish and toxic players. I've seen it plenty of times. If you do not respect your fellow player on such a standard level, in my opinion, you should just stick to offline games. How dare you think it's okay to just waste other people their time because you were too much of an ignorant person to gear properly? How dare you think that your skewed version of fun is more important than the experience and time of 3-7 other people?

I honestly can't believe what I am reading sometimes. Is this the direction the community will go in? I love almost everything about this game except for the community. It always tends to trivialize or downright defend poor, ignorant or downright lazy gameplay. Some of you should feel absolutely ashamed of yourselves. It doesn't take much to wear appropriate gear. If you don't wear appropriate gear, you are not curious enough, you don't care enough or you don't actually read what the game is telling you to do. That is a legitimate reason to get kicked and I praise the sweet Lord that there have been people in this thread who support the idea of getting rid of selfish players like that.

I actually needed to put this vent out. It does not matter how much DPS we lose, how much time we lose. It's only a byproduct of the real reason why people like that should be kicked. It's because they don't care, they aren't smart enough to do as the game tells you or they want to spite a party. It's not more fun to wear STR as a Black Mage, unless your version of fun is making life harder for your party members. Don't be that guy. Play responsibly.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

Honestly, reading some of these comments makes me think that this game is not for me anymore and that people have grown so silly and lazy and selfish. It is Wrong to level with the wrong gear in an MMO. Yes, there are different steps as to how wrong it is depending on what level of content you are in. But I personally have always felt that I need to be as up to date as possible with my gear. Not only to give myself a better experience, but also the people I come into contact with. The people who defend players not excercising basic ettiquette are selfish and toxic players. I've seen it plenty of times. If you do not respect your fellow player on such a standard level, in my opinion, you should just stick to offline games. How dare you think it's okay to just waste other people their time because you were too much of an ignorant person to gear properly? How dare you think that your skewed version of fun is more important than the experience and time of 3-7 other people?

I honestly can't believe what I am reading sometimes. Is this the direction the community will go in? I love almost everything about this game except for the community. It always tends to trivialize or downright defend poor, ignorant or downright lazy gameplay. Some of you should feel absolutely ashamed of yourselves. It doesn't take much to wear appropriate gear. If you don't wear appropriate gear, you are not curious enough, you don't care enough or you don't actually read what the game is telling you to do. That is a legitimate reason to get kicked and I praise the sweet Lord that there have been people in this thread who support the idea of getting rid of selfish players like that.

I actually needed to put this vent out. It does not matter how much DPS we lose, how much time we lose. It's only a byproduct of the real reason why people like that should be kicked. It's because they don't care, they aren't smart enough to do as the game tells you or they want to spite a party. It's not more fun to wear STR as a Black Mage, unless your version of fun is making life harder for your party members. Don't be that guy. Play responsibly.

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Dont make decisions based on what you read on forums, but rather what you regularly encounter in game. A minority can have a very large voice by saying something outrageous to get people worked up. Despite the attitudes expressed here, the VAST majority of instance runs ive done are very chill, and only people who seem to have no ability how to play whatsoever (a sam who didnt know how to release after a death and only auto-attacked in Monastery comes to mind, and we did try to help him) seem to readily get the boot. Even then, I've found that to be very rare.

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Originally Posted by Vanroe

Dont make decisions based on what you read on forums, but rather what you regularly encounter in game. A minority can have a very large voice by saying something outrageous to get people worked up. Despite the attitudes expressed here, the VAST majority of instance runs ive done are very chill, and only people who seem to have no ability how to play whatsoever (a sam who didnt know how to release after a death and only auto-attacked in Monastery comes to mind, and we did try to help him) seem to readily get the boot. Even then, I've found that to be very rare.

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Indeed. Thankfully my experience in game is not exactly like some in this thread. But I do worry for the future of this game because it does seem to be on the rise. I hope I'm wrong. Anyway, I'm not in here to discuss these things. For me, it's very clear who is in the wrong. Wish you all a good day. But honestly, some of you in this thread need to have a look at your values and how that toxic and selfish attitude is not sustainable.

I've been in lvl 50 dungeons with people who have woeful gear, including a case of a BLM with a lvl 17 weapon and mostly crafting accessories in Amdapor HM, as well as plenty of cases of players with low level HW weapons in SB content (I'm talking NQ i115 shit)

They really need to put some stricter requirements on dungeons, not saying it needs to be much, but don't let people queue with lvl 17 weapons for 50 content, or weapons 130 ilvls below the acceptable standard for SB content, it just makes the dungeon bad for everyone involved, same with being able to cheese ilvl requirements with gathering accessories.

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Originally Posted by Dfess

So what exactly are you kicking them for? I'm confused. Is it because they are doing less dps? Because that's technically against tos. As I was told and read in the tos you can not belittle players or make them feel bad or as a worse player because they aren't doing "optimal dps" or using "optimal rotations".

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I agree to a point. But sometimes, just sometimes, dps isn't high enough to get much of anywhere...so a replacement or 2 may be needed in order to progress and finish a dungeon/trial/raid/etc. There is no sense in belittling people though. It is best to point out what they are doing wrong and try to help them first if you can, which can be done in a civil manner. If you can't, or if they refuse to listen, then a kick is more than justified because they are being detrimental to others' game play at that point.

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

In the past that may be true in regards to the MB, we now have world visit now and can shop the MB else where unless prices are like that across all servers on your DC than I am sorry that sucks that rings cost that much where you are at. But seriously use the world visit, shop the MB elsewhere, its your gil, you worked hard for it, take it where you get the best value for it.

As for rings it stops at 28 as npc vendors will not sell anything in ARR at beyond that level not even in Mor Dhona. Level 38 rings are crafted. Then picks back up at 50. There are ring drops in HM dungeons but you are better off getting Iron works rings because you can augment them to an higher ilvl. I want to say 125. If you have Ishgard open for 51-60 characters you get amber things from leves that are used to get accessories like rings, necklaces, bracelets for 51-59. I want to say if I recall, you get coffers as well from quests that give primal accessories.

With the exception of the rings stopping at level 28 and then picking back up at lvl 38 and then from level 50ish. A lot of things are available to the player at little to no cost. Just requires a little effort on the player's part. Tomes are silly easy to get. leves are even more easy. In honesty its a good habit to try to stay current on your gear. I am just tired of seeing folks in weathered accessories at 35 and up (the brand new ring is good through 50 +3 all stats).

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new players arent going to shop around using out of game websites. Also, the design of the game is not to have max gear in every dungeon. The dungeons exist partially for people to get gear.

Players need to realize the entire roulette system is designed so that experienced players are grouped with in inexperienced players who actually need to beat the dungeon. SE is paying experienced players in experience to help other players a few times per day.

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There is no sense in belittling people though. It is best to point out what they are doing wrong and try to help them first if you can, which can be done in a civil manner. If you can't, or if they refuse to listen, then a kick is more than justified because they are being detrimental to others' game play at that point.

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That's honestly why I've resorted to kicking. When I was younger, I'd fall into that trap of trying to argue and debate with them. And just about every time it devolves into some kind of disaster. The arrogant people who think STR helps their blackmage's spells hit more often aren't going to see the light from an argument. And I'm not going to feel better about myself having wasted 30 minutes talking to a wall.

So the obvious solution is, I don't have time for this. Let's kick this guy out. He clearly doesn't want to be a team player. He clearly doesn't have any desire to learn about his class or the game. He's essentially just a troll. Whether he believes he's having legitimate fun, or admits to being a troll. The end solution is--I just don't need this kind of negativity in my life.

And I don't get why people are defending these players. I want to believe they're just ignorant good-hearted folks who skipped the context and somehow convince themselves that I'm kicking puppies or some nonsense, so therefore I'm the evil! I'd like to honestly believe they're just short-sighted nice people who jump to conclusions rather than malicious trolls who just want to play devil's advocate at the detriment to society as a whole.

Yes, 'fun' should be respected. But one person's fun can't come at the cost of a group's fun. And who decides that? I feel like people are jumping on me just because I have the gall to take action. And yeah, while the Thanos'esq solution of just snapping them out of the group is certainly more harsh than sitting them down and teaching them. I just don't play this game to be a pre-school teacher. No one does. No one is entitled to being coddled. No one should be forced to carry. We should be equals. And everyone should act like an equal or get snapped out.

It shouldn't be 'my' decision to kick someone. I'm no better than any other individual. But thankfully kicks don't work based on one person's opinion. It's based on the group as a whole. And if the whole group agrees with a kick--then that's just the community working it's democracy against terrible people who shouldn't be in a social situation to begin with.

Wow that is ... harsh.

Thing is, you need a reason to kick someone and that can be considered harassment if looked into, I would think. And you need other people in the group to agree on the vote. How do you do that?

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

Wow that is ... harsh.

Thing is, you need a reason to kick someone and that can be considered harassment if looked into, I would think. And you need other people in the group to agree on the vote. How do you do that?

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It's easier to understand if you've read the entire thread instead of just part of it and jumping to conclusions.

One thing I hate how this game deals with gear, is they make it so you get some basic chest, legs, feet, and possibly head or hands from MSQ, but a lot of gear comes from Side Quests ... which some people don't like to do.

Should make the gear given all MSQ and side stuff for exp and filling in lore or something.

Expecting a new player to buy gear from an NPC, and if they don't you kick them from the dungeon that they're trying to get gear from, is something I would expect from WoW trash. That mentality has no place in FFXIV.

JackHatchet has been pretty clear that she doesn't kick someone just because their gear isn't the best suited to the class the person is playing. It's only when that person because hostile/aggressive about it when asked or corrected (and i get the impression Jack is being polite when she corrects).

There's a button on the character window that will dig through your bags and equip the best items for your current class/job. This is a crazy awesome feature and should be used frequently while leveling. And I can say with certainty that it will equip items at lower levels that are not optimal for the class/job if there's no other option available.

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Originally Posted by CazzT

Expecting a new player to buy gear from an NPC, and if they don't you kick them from the dungeon that they're trying to get gear from, is something I would expect from WoW trash. That mentality has no place in FFXIV.

JackHatchet has been pretty clear that she doesn't kick someone just because their gear isn't the best suited to the class the person is playing. It's only when that person because hostile/aggressive about it when asked or corrected (and i get the impression Jack is being polite when she corrects).

There's a button on the character window that will dig through your bags and equip the best items for your current class/job. This is a crazy awesome feature and should be used frequently while leveling. And I can say with certainty that it will equip items at lower levels that are not optimal for the class/job if there's no other option available.

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Even if you do use that take care to quickly check the gear because sometimes it will make some..........odd choices. Like putting crafting gear on.

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Originally Posted by Yllania

Even if you do use that take care to quickly check the gear because sometimes it will make some..........odd choices. Like putting crafting gear on.

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LOL I've noticed that. Tanked half a dungeon with crafting gear before anyone noticed. That was slightly embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by CazzT

Expecting a new player to buy gear from an NPC, and if they don't you kick them from the dungeon that they're trying to get gear from, is something I would expect from WoW trash. That mentality has no place in FFXIV.
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Actually people have kicked for bad gear since at least ARR in this game. Back when everyone was new yet people actually knew and bought GC gear, and/or got pink gear from leve quest chests.

Nowadays we have the NN so players can ask about gear, and I know of mentors who'll go out of their way to craft a full HQ lowbie set for them.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

It's easier to understand if you've read the entire thread instead of just part of it and jumping to conclusions.

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Yup went back and read all the pages.

I can see why if the responses are harsh.

Reminds me of a story from DD. I was the healer and the 3 others were all friends. The tank died so much. Like I couldn't even keep them alive. I checked their gear. It was lvl 20 .. and DD is what, lvl 40?

So I made a comment, and the 3 were like "Eh we like to troll healers for the lulz". I ate the penalty cause even I won't put up with that.

Now I can't comment on things like DPS outage or best stats for what class. Hell, I'm still having trouble deciding if I want to put more Spell speed or Piety on my gear. I do try to keep up to date with my gear, even if it's not HQ stuff.

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Yup went back and read all the pages.

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I just have to give you a shoutout for being awesome.

You do realize that a vast majority of people have duty queue anxiety and that they simply don't want to talk to you and just want you to shut up right? As long as they don't die, what does it matter? Just run the instance and if they keep dying, then either boot them or complete it without reviving them. You think you're taking the high road of saying "it's democratic" but really, are you going in alone or with 2 other people you know? Do people know what they are clicking? Often times people will do a ready check and I can imagine that a vote kick confirmation to be confused with a ready check. I presume you queue for roulettes which is almost always going to have newbies because that's what it's for. Assuming I pass the ilvl check, I could throw away all my accessories and still do perfectly fine in any dungeon or raid because ACC don't matter all that much pre-5.0. Post 5.0 will be a different matter entirely but even then, as long as you don't die from a stack mechanic you are golden in my book.

Just let them play however they want to play. You wouldn't be the first person to carry someone through a dungeon and certainly won't be the last.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

Yeah yeah, I know that's a loaded header, but hear me out!

I wish Square-Enix would put class restrictions on accessories like they do with the rest of the gear.

I can't tell you guys how many times I'll get into a group with a caster wearing a mix-match of DEX/STR rings and other accessories that don't offer them any use to their class. And to top it all off, literally every-time I've ever mentioned this to someone--the response is always extreme hostility or extreme arrogance.

I'm totally cool with new players who don't know better making mistakes and then willing to learn and improve. That's great, they get a pass, because they're trying! I'd never kick someone for trying.

But man, I ask some folks why they're using a strength ring on their blackmage, and they say it increases their hit chance. I tell them that's not right. And they blow up on me. Those are the people I kick. And I do it way too often for it to just be a fluke. Like once a week often.

Is there a way we can fix this?

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remind me to never play with this guy ^ XD I might just wear no accessories to troll him lol