Yep, I'm always the first to hit Giaus, and the last to hit Ultima Weapon lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
MSQ cutscene skipping against TOS?
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10-02-2019, 11:02 AMCanadane
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10-02-2019, 11:11 AMIscah
I'm on a JP data centre, and I'm out of most MSQ cutscenes before the (presumably) Japanese members of the party.
The first colossus battle in the Praetorium is the only fight I can remember getting locked out of in 'normal circumstances' (nobody skipping) because the rest of the party had finished and went ahead without me. -
10-02-2019, 11:30 AMMirassouAs far as I have read, people have been pretty nice in their responses. Just telling you what's up, and it's your choice if you wish to risk it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PvpDRG
Edit: I usually read the forums or watch a little Netflix in between fights - I am actually responding to this thread while running Prae. LOL -
10-02-2019, 02:21 PMNeriSame here. If I partied with JP users, I will always be the last during colossus fight. But after migitek destroyed the door though, I loaded out faster than them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
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10-05-2019, 04:10 PMSelenara
To answer the OP here is what happened to my friend.
He did this a lot he skipped MSQ cutscenes. I warned him that it could be considered an exploit but he thought Nah itll be fine.
Well, this past monday he got handed a 30-day ban hammer. Why? Well they said he did an exploit he asked about the specific exploit and it was skipping the cutscenes.
I also had someone demand everyone do it and i said no and was kicked from the duty.
So you can get in trouble if someone reports you. That is your own risk. -
10-06-2019, 02:06 AMoryohIt sucks you got punished for the groups actions violating ToS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selenara
Regarding OP , yes it is.
Now are people going to keep doing it? Yes
Did the unskippable cs stop people from kicking people? No, since Selenara just mentioned she got booted out by the rest of the group who were performing this exploit.
Did it stop people from ruining the game play for new players going in their first time? No, they have found a way around the cutscenes unskippability.
My experience came across doing Paertorium. They were a small group, skipped cutscenes, beat boss and left a new person with the boss battle being replaced with the exit sign. Obstructing their game play as well as leaving the other players with a negative experience.
I have respect for the dev team and the GMs that do their best to look out for the rest us, though I don't believe that rules and regulations should go unquestioned and blindly followed. The unskippable cutscenes however aren't working for how they were intended. We need a revision for this.
...unfortunately again. -
10-06-2019, 02:28 AMIscahThis isn't proof of a problem with the unskippable cutscenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by oryoh
The problem lies with the people who exploited the ability to skip them, and kicked someone for not skipping them and "holding up the group".
If everyone couldn't skip them (as has deliberately been programmed, unblockable exploits aside) then there is no reason to kick anyone, because nobody is being held up by others watching cutscenes. -
10-06-2019, 04:10 AMRaven2014Then simply report them? If the story is true then:Quote:
Originally Posted by oryoh
- There is a chat log with the demand the victim to skip.
- There is a system log to show the cutsceen were skip.
- There is legit report for griefing (kicking from party).
It would be pretty much a slam dunk cases that will sic the GM on the offenders' pretty quickly. Unlike other type of reports (RMT, botting), harassment reports are deal with very quickly and seriously in this game (to a point some might think the GM is hyper-sensitive). And if it's also coupled with other other offense I cant imagine the offender would have a happy ending. -
10-06-2019, 04:57 AMKeddera_StormMoon
Issue seems pretty simple - you don't like the cutscenes, don't flippin' cue up for the roulette.
"But mah tomes and exp!"
There's plenty of other roulettes to run, and plenty of other ways to gain exp. The MSQ roulette isn't the only ride in town. -
10-06-2019, 09:45 AMZarabeth
OP you are obviously desperate for someone to say it's ok to skip these cut scenes but it is not. If you get caught, you could get banned. Is that really worth skipping a few minutes of cut scene?
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10-06-2019, 09:49 AMVahlnirAs far as the OP was concerned, when they weren't getting the validation that they wanted they abandoned the thread. This thread could still serve as a heads up to others though, but it might be best to avoid responding to the OP. They bailed pages and days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarabeth
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10-06-2019, 01:48 PMVnolanThere's a typo somewhere or someone is making stuff up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selenara
Account Penalty Policy
■Types of penalty
There are six levels of penalty in ascending order of severity: "Caution", "Warning", "Temporary Service Account Suspension (3 Days)", "Temporary Service Account Suspension (10 Days)", "Temporary Service Account Suspension (20 Days)", "Service Account Termination".
GMs have no way of knowing whether your friend was intentionally disconnecting unless your friend was dumb enough to state so in chat, and as you mention, someone has to report it.
They aren't going to ban (without a warning) a group where all are in agreement to skip the cutscenes when they don't do anything about bots, RMT, account piloting, fraudulent purchases of Mog Station codes (theft), weekly tournament win-trading or any other number of infractions that have been going on in the open for the past several years that actually affect other players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarabeth
This is BLU EXP 2.0 (wonder how many in this thread took advantage of that). Got some people salty that the content isn't being respected. -
10-06-2019, 02:00 PMEnlaDifferent teams handle each of those issues though. The Mogstation people are their own entity, as are the people who deal with the bots, and so on - with the team who apparently is given jurisdiction over the cutscene skips being /very/ proactive by comparison. It's one of the few infractions in this game where being reported for it enough times does seem to produce a temporary ban eventually, which is why so many people are trying to warn others away from doing it. There's a lot to be said about the efficiency of the other teams and how they handle the various infractions under their purview, and a lot of it would justifiably not be positive, but in this once instance it's best not to poke the proverbial bear. Especially when a group kick like that would also count as harassment depending upon the content of the chat log.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vnolan
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10-06-2019, 03:19 PMMariaArvanaOn the account level thing, they have jumped up the levels based on the severeity of your offense. I've known people who've gotten hit by the 3 day suspension despite it being their first offense ever. It's up to the discretion of the one reviewing your case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vnolan
I've also known a friend who got hit by the 3 day offense for cutscene skipping despite not having said anything in chat log, there's more data server side they can reference in cases like these to know if you're doing it intentionally or not. Also it wouldn't matter if the whole group agreed to skip or not, they're technically breaking the ToS in case a GM might have been watchin in the instance. And if everyone - x agrees, you'd better hope the x decides to not file reports.
They can do it at their own risk, but if they end up in Mordion Gaol they only have themselves to blame, literally no one else. -
10-06-2019, 07:44 PMLaylaTsarra
It's not worth risking an account for something silly like this. To each their own but I have way too much invested to even think this might be a good idea.
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10-06-2019, 08:40 PMCamiieThe rewards are based on you completing the dungeon and sitting through all the cutscenes. You're using a glitch to collect rewards without completing the requirements. Do you honestly think SE is going to consider that OK? Be completely honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by PvpDRG
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10-07-2019, 02:53 AMMrKusakabeQuote:
Originally Posted by RoyalBeef
Staying online in a real-time online game is an, let's call it important, requirement.
What are your groups doing while your ISP disconnects you every 6 minutes? -
10-07-2019, 03:10 AMJybrilYes, in order of severity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vnolan
If the person was chewing someone out, perhaps that would be a caution or warning.
Someone jumping through exploits would probably get that.
OP jumped ship though. Probably banned for all we know from trying lol.
She came here wanting validation from someone, and got no one.
I mean, this is just a little bit of common sense here.
You REALLY think it's okay to exploit stuff and risk someone reporting you?
Because some probably will. If you're coming on here the forums with doubts, then you probably shouldn't do it.
Not worth losing $13 or whatever amount of game time over it.
Take the time to do chores or something or don't queue up at all. -
10-07-2019, 03:15 AMSerLuke
So thread summary, basically
OP: yo dudes can do this thing to skip cut scenes?
Everyone: nah that can get you banned it’s against the rules
OP: well what about these people who do these other things?!?!
Everyone else: well it’s still against the rules and bannable
OP: white knights!!!! Why did I even bother posting here?!?!?
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10-07-2019, 03:49 AMGeostar
just do it so far no one has cared only done it a few times though bc in general msq roulette wastes to much of my game time.
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10-07-2019, 04:34 AMSerLukeLike the person in this thread that said they got a 30 day ban for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Geostar
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10-07-2019, 04:35 AMTsalmaveth
The upped exp and rewards are given for a reason. Exploiting is flat out cheating and removing the point of giving those rewards and you have no right to them at that point. What gives ANY of you any reason to think that you have a right to those rewards when you do not do the requirements for them? That is the textbook example of entitlement and arrogance. If you don't want to do what is required for the rewards... then you DO NOT DESERVE THEM. Don't queue for it. Flat out. It isn't 'white knighting' to say otherwise. If you want the ability to skip the cut scenes back, then they should remove the increase in exp and tomes that came with them. Spoiled. Brats. Seriously. And yes, I do report people for this kind of thing. And I have taught other people how to do it.
It's also VERY simple how to tell when people accidentally DC. Along with getting out of CS early due to differences in language settings. Either be decent people or not, just own it and admit that you would rather be entitled brats who don't earn things as intended and break the TOS. -
10-07-2019, 04:43 AMGeostarWell as long there is no hard evidence i have my doubts, true its an exploit but from what i have seen and noticed its in the lines of if you dont talk about it no one cares (certain programs etc). But hey maybe i just got lucky in the end feel the room if the group isnt up tight then do as you please.Quote:
Originally Posted by SerLuke
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10-07-2019, 04:44 AMHalivelHow? By the fact the person will not DC on every cutscene or there is some other way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth
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10-07-2019, 04:53 AMTsalmavethThat's one way. Usually people say something. There is also deliberately charging ahead every fight to pull the bosses and rush the instance. It's painfully obvious when people are doing this exploit and when someone has a bad ISP/DC issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halivel
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10-07-2019, 05:30 AMMariaArvanaMy friend's gotten punished for it with a 3 day suspension without having said anything in chat, GMs have a lot of tools at their disposal to tell if its happening if a report comes their way. Realistically you did get lucky, but it is breaking the ToS. It's simply a matter of 'do it at your own risk'. But if you get unlucky and someone in your party dislikes it and files a report against you and you end up in front of a GM, you only have yourself to blame for any suspension you receive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geostar
That's really the simplicity of it. You're the one risking your account, up to you to decide if saving the time is worth potentially losing access to your account for multiple days (3, 10 or 20+), or being straight up banned depending on the frequency/severeity of it. -
10-07-2019, 06:03 AMTlachtga
It makes no sense to me that people get so angry at the cutscene skipping thing
Most of the people reporting others for skipping the cutscenes probably game the alliance roulette by unequipping their gear to lower ilvl for CT anyway lol -
10-07-2019, 07:07 AMJohnSpawnVFXBy the time you call your ISP and they either sort things out or tell you yet again the problem is in your end, you'd have already finished the duty, with hiccups (or get kicked).Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKusakabe
Not to mention some people don't have more than one ISP to choose from, so they're stuck with hiccups (certain areas of US monopolized by specific ISP come to mind) -
10-07-2019, 07:26 AMIscahI can't see how (or why) you'd make that connection for any reason other than to dismiss the people whose opinion you don't agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tlachtga
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10-07-2019, 08:44 AMEnlaThe roulette isn't for us it's for newbies who are trying to experience the story. Which for ARR is basically the equivalent of the final dungeon/area of a traditional Final Fantasy. Having seen just how badly newbies got treated before the anti-skips were put in place and now how nasty players get now when others don't break the TOS with them, outright kicking players who don't conform as has been pointed out in this very thread, you bet I find it annoying. The people who skip or whine about the cutscenes have other ways to make exp or gather tomes, but the new players have no recourse if they want to enjoy the story and happen to have the misfortune of getting into a group that has decided to forego the very reason the roulette was created in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tlachtga
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10-07-2019, 08:48 AMZarkovitch
You have enough time to reply on forum while you re on cs of msq!
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10-07-2019, 10:56 AMIshgardianIt's reflexes. Early 2018 I was just another sprout so excited to finish the ARR story that I didn't mind waiting for 50 minutes to find a group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tlachtga
The thing is that when we entered the dungeon everyone started bashing me for wanting to watch the cut-scenes and experience the story. The result was that I watched all of them but participated in NO battle. So, I ended up holding a grudge against people who are so incosiderate as to undermine and diminish a new player's experience of the game.
Recently that I started doing this very same dungeon for tomes I have noticed that almost every other day there is a newbie who runs it for the very first time. Let's just say that should people start skipping cut-scenes I will be simply delighted to report them. -
10-07-2019, 11:10 AMHyperiusUltimaAs much as I agree with this, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate for a minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enla
So, being someone who has gone through the CS skips in ARR before in 2.4+, I've seen people whine about it before. It was a real issue back when Poetics Farms was the general reason for running MSQ Roulette for Binding Coil. However, since a large amount of EXP is garnered behind a boring cutscene you have to run every day, people grow tired of seeing it over and over. Let alone, just the walk through Castrum feels like a slog to most that are 60-70+ considering it even gives LESS just because it's not so covered in Cutscenes. Even if kicking the new players who watch the cutscenes in a group that will DC and reconnect just to skip Nero's 5 minute monologue and Baelsar's 2 minute pep talk is wrong, the system needs to change with MSQ Roulette.
We have how many end-game dungeons now that aren't optional? Let's see here...
Lv 50
Castrum Meridianum
The Praetorium
Keeper of the Lake
The Steps of Faith(not a dungeon, but literally the end of ARR)
Lv 60
The Aetherochemical Research Facility
Sohm Al(Just before Nidhogg)
The Final Steps of Faith(End of HW)
Baelsar's Wall(Final Dungeon before SB)
Lv 70
Ala Mhigo
The Royal Menagarie(Shinryu; it may be a trial, but it's a big one at the end of 4.0)
The Ghimlyt Dark
I can't remember correctly, but I believe someone asked around the time of Heavensward or Stormblood about expanding the MSQ Roulette so they wouldn't have to run the same two dungeons again and again. Same goes for Expert. Regardless, these dungeons(and trials) are at the peak of their stories that set up the bigger storyline going into the next expansion or patch series. This is shown in Keeper of the Lake and The Steps of Faith, since the story there relates to the dragons and Ishgard.
Given that we're limited to the only two end-game ARR dungeons that are hella old, people will eat the penalty if they get Praetorium or Castrum rather than sit there for so long. Even still, it's 30m worth of time. By expanding the MSQ Roulette to dungeons that are at the peak of their story you will have a broader selection and people will actually like the roulette instead of simply attempting to skip Praetorium's Cutscenes just because there's a huge reward locked behind it. Of course, if they were to do that, they would have to adjust MSQ roulette as a whole so that it's fair across the board. That will be for the development team to decide upon since for Leveling Roulette, the XP you get is based on the dungeon/trial you play along with your current level; making up the XP discrepancy after completion.
TLDR; Expand MSQ Roulette so that it includes more variety. -
10-07-2019, 01:19 PMVnolanNot "technically". It's against the ToS, but there are a bunch of other things against the ToS that are allowed. Looting a FC's coffers before leaving and Lootmaster scam parties aren't even against the ToS.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariaArvana
GMs don't randomly pop into instances or watch players without reports. How could they with how many reports SE gets? If you think the player base is paranoid know, imagine if GMs could dish out penalties for profanity use among friends in private.
How many got in trouble for BLU or Eureka glitching? The cutscene skipping has been going on for at least 18 monthsQuote:
Originally Posted by Camiie
Skipping with new players would be detrimental to their gameplay experience, but I imagine the party dropping because they didn't get the right duty would also be bad for their experience. Difference is most seem to be fine with the latter.
There is no 30-day account suspension. Back when the max temp ban was 9 days the most anyone got for Ungarmax exploiting was 9 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jybril
It's not cheating if everyone and anyone can do it. The devs may not want you to do it, but I'm sure they don't want players leaving Castrum because they can't level up while watching TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth
The requirements are completing the dungeon. Should groups that pull the entire dungeon and sac the tank for faster clears also be included in that group? What about players that joined shortly before the clear?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth
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Originally Posted by Tlachtga
Like I said, "content isn't being respected".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth
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10-07-2019, 02:24 PMIscahThe MSQ roulette dungeons aren't split out because of their being "the climax" but because of their format: eight players instead of the usual four in a dungeon, and lengthy cutscenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
The finales for the expansions don't have this format, so are grouped in a separate roulette.
MSQ roulette isn't designed for "variety", it's designed so that those who do it know exactly what they're signing up for to earn those tomes.
The difference between dropping out and disconnecting-to-skip is that one is permitted within the game, and one requires doing things "outside the game" (force-quitting the program or physically disconnecting your internet connection) that are beyond the programmers' ability to prevent. That doesn't mean they approve of it or wouldn't prevent it if they could, just that it isn't possible for them to control within the game's code.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vnolan
Choosing to leave the dungeon could be seen as rude, but it is something you are permitted to do via an in-game menu. -
10-07-2019, 02:48 PMRoyalBeefPretty sure new players are fine without self proclaimed vigilantes like you. Also getting your dopamine kicks from reporting people doesn't seem healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishgardian
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10-07-2019, 03:02 PMSerLukeYou worried you are going to get reported? You seem to have a vested interest in defending people disconnecting intentionally in this duty.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyalBeef
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10-07-2019, 03:11 PMRoyalBeefI got reported for parodying someone's comment, so I'm aware of what kind of people I'm dealing with here. And no, breaking TOS is not something to defend :P try again ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by SerLuke
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10-07-2019, 03:14 PMSerLukeAnd yet here you are doing just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyalBeef
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10-07-2019, 03:15 PMRoyalBeefNope, you're pulling that out of thin air ^^Saying I'm against exaggerated police brutality doesn't mean I'm defending criminals. Try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by SerLuke