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Originally Posted by synesthetic

But they're already set to go back on the market if a month passes with no one from the FC entering..

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Nope. SE withdrawed from that idea because FC house owners complained that they felt it was their right to keep something in-game that they weren't using nor paying subscription for during between-patches breaks. It was never implemented.

As they are right to. It sucks to have your house taken away when you come back. It wouldn't be a problem at all if housing wasn't this absurdly limited thing.

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Originally Posted by synesthetic

But they're already set to go back on the market if a month passes with no one from the FC entering..

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To which they never actually implemented so yeah...

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Originally Posted by Verdan

As they are right to. It sucks to have your house taken away when you come back. It wouldn't be a problem at all if housing wasn't this absurdly limited thing.

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If you can't log in or transfer the house over (like in an FC's case) in the time frame they offered (or any time frame that's reasonable) then why bother to own it? You should obviously lose the house to free up houses for people who actually do play.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

Nope. SE withdrawed from that idea because FC house owners complained that they felt it was their right to keep something in-game that they weren't using nor paying subscription for during between-patches breaks. It was never implemented.

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Effing serious? Did they just quietly do that without giving any notice in patch notes?

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Originally Posted by synesthetic

Effing serious? Did they just quietly do that without giving any notice in patch notes?

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Supa quietly. It just never was mentioned again from what I thought. I just stopped hearing about...for the longest time I thought they had implemented it but then I came to find out that it just never was.

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Originally Posted by Adelard

They just need to open up more housing instances, though I'm not sure when they will.

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This is really all I want.
At this point, the whole thing feels very short sighted.

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Originally Posted by synesthetic

But they're already set to go back on the market if a month passes with no one from the FC entering..

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They removed the 35 day penalty. There was a timer in your timer page, and suddenly they removed it without saying anything in notes or whatsoever.

For example:
On my server there is one plot that was sold the day personal housing came out - just around the corner of my S Personal house. There was nothing ever built on it, and the owner is a lvl 20 character...

Right next to my house is a medium FC house, 1 member, nothing has changed in or around the house for 9 month or so

so yeh, people could have houses - but inactive ones do not fall back in the pool....

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If you can't log in or transfer the house over (like in an FC's case) in the time frame they offered (or any time frame that's reasonable) then why bother to own it? You should obviously lose the house to free up houses for people who actually do play.

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Yeah, but freeing up space wouldn't be an issue if space wasn't limited. I played Lotro man, and having that house payment tie us down and eventually have us lose the house we loved and decorated wasn't a fun time. People spent a ton of time getting enough money to get those houses, losing them would blow for those dudes. It's better for everyone if they open up additional space rather than have people lose the houses they cared about when they played.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

Yeah, but freeing up space wouldn't be an issue if space wasn't limited. I played Lotro man, and having that house payment tie us down and eventually have us lose the house we loved and decorated wasn't a fun time. People spent a ton of time getting enough money to get those houses, losing them would blow for those dudes. It's better for everyone if they open up additional space rather than have people lose the houses they cared about when they played.

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They need to add instance housing that scales properly - i.e. every player can have one.

The current wards, mainly their server hardware, should be reworked into player controlled "parts of town" where you have to pay rent. Basically you rent a space, allocated by auction, for whatever purpose you have in mind - as long as you can pay the rent. Since it's by auction, it will only go to those that need it most. Supply and demand.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

People spent a ton of time getting enough money to get those houses, losing them would blow for those dudes. It's better for everyone if they open up additional space rather than have people lose the houses they cared about when they played.

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And I say if you aren't actually playing the game anymore, why do you care about what happens to your house? Some people are not coming back and some people only come back for free weekends. If they care enough about their houses, they will make arrangements. This will only weed out the people who have no intentions of returning.

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Originally Posted by Magistrella

For example:
On my server there is one plot that was sold the day personal housing came out - just around the corner of my S Personal house. There was nothing ever built on it, and the owner is a lvl 20 character...

Right next to my house is a medium FC house, 1 member, nothing has changed in or around the house for 9 month or so

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This here is the reality for a lot of wards. This is people staring at these houses while others are not able to get them. Tell me the value of them staying as is?

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Originally Posted by Verdan

Yeah, but freeing up space wouldn't be an issue if space wasn't limited. I played Lotro man, and having that house payment tie us down and eventually have us lose the house we loved and decorated wasn't a fun time. People spent a ton of time getting enough money to get those houses, losing them would blow for those dudes. It's better for everyone if they open up additional space rather than have people lose the houses they cared about when they played.

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Which apparently they cared about enough to not visit them for 9 months.
I know a decent amount of people with a house that don't really use it. They only got because it ''was a thing to have a house'', and apparently from what I hear there are lot of plots bought on the larger servers that aren't used either.

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

They need to add instance housing that scales properly

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Instanced housing sounds great. For those that only want to use their house as a personal base.
For someone that really loves having a house, complete with garden and neighbourhood I can see that being a real put off.

@Mageblack. I wrote a rather lengthy reply but got hit by the posting limit, so I'll give a short one instead.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

I can't answer that. If it follows the same system of ''all servers have the same amount of plots'' then it seems like it will be the same situation as it is now. Not enough plots on the larger servers, empty wards on the smaller servers.

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Is the only relevant point I had in my earlier post. I believe it desires more attention then you gave it. (which was less then all the other points in my post)

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

And no, a house is not worth all that BS,

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It could be. Not saying it should be, but for some a house really is worth going through all that trouble.
But yes, paying cash to transfer is not a good solution. However,
the ''transfer of gil is limited'' is a bad argument in support of your argumentation because it is easily debased.
In short, it kind of undermines the rest of your argumentation.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

You had been commenting in the other thread and I felt that most of what has been said and brought up before had already "addressed" the things you brought up. I also felt that it was going to be a little pointless to waste all this time replying when the points I made can be dismissed so flippantly.

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Don't bring ''other threads'' into a discussion unless you link the relevant posts. It serves no purpose otherwise. (except to needlessly make an argument personal)

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

EDIT: and as i figured, this whole post was wasted effort.

K

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Posting a troll reply image with a sarcastic ''K'' might not be the best way to imply that you in the process of creating a larger post in reply.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Instanced housing sounds great. For those that only want to use their house as a personal base.
For someone that really loves having a house, complete with garden and neighbourhood I can see that being a real put off.

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A suggestion I've been suggesting for a while, but that I doubt will be considered since it'd require a general overhaul of the housing system:


Step 1) Make instanced housing. This allows everyone to have a house, especially if instead of gil it asks for GC points or Main Scenario progress like for most of other games. I'm thinking of an instance similar to the Demon Doors in the Fable games, with house, yard with field, well and whatever. It would start with small, and will be able to be expanded through further accomplishments.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20090122222817

Step 2) Make the housing wards, limited as they are now (since they don't have the servers do add more currently). For a fee (like the current fees we have now), you'll be able to move your instanced house inside the ward. So for example, 4M to move your instanced Small Hut into a Mist Small Plot. Of course, the price will raise with your instanced house's size, and you'll need to select a plot your house can fit in.

This way, all those who want a house can have a house, and all those who actually care to have a neighborhood (and will use it), can have a neighborhood. Houses for all, and no more ghost towns.

9 months may seem like a long time, but it really isn't. I left this game for a bit over a year and came back, and that's nothing compared to how long I left, say, DDO. Things happen, people move on, and they sometimes come back. They'll want a house if they had it, and it's an incentive for them to come back to the game and play again if their house stays. If their house disappears, they'll be less likely to come back.
This would hardly be an issue if plots weren't insanely limited. There are 1440 total plots in the game. Right now, there's 6,545 people playing the jumbo cactpot. These numbers don't work together.

It's completely bizarre how the developers continue to allocate more housing space to ghost town servers while Balmung, Excalibur, et al scream for more on a daily basis.

How in the world does this happen? This is economic resource distribution 101.

ps take a drink for everyone who says it's to 'encourage transfers' to ghost town servers, disregarding that it'd cost over $100 to move an entire FC to a server with a plot

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Instanced housing sounds great. For those that only want to use their house as a personal base.
For someone that really loves having a house, complete with garden and neighbourhood I can see that being a real put off.

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They can instance the plot of land instead of just the house. We can then have our garden - hopefully without a lousy 20 item level.

The neighbourhood thing is beyond SE's capabilities. That's why I suggested neighbourhoods be converted into rented town areas - for use a stores (redundant given the MB; but I'm sure SE can dream up some reason to have a store) or FC guild halls (people can sign up or put up a petition like guild halls in fiction; agains SE has to set this up).

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Originally Posted by Krr

It's completely bizarre how the developers continue to allocate more housing space to ghost town servers while Balmung, Excalibur, et al scream for more on a daily basis.

How in the world does this happen? This is economic resource distribution 101.

ps take a drink for everyone who says it's to 'encourage transfers' to ghost town servers, disregarding that it'd cost over $100 to move an entire FC to a server with a plot

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ill be the first one you need to take a drink over.

Remember, that $100 is over multiple people, splitting the cost. anyone who doesn't find housing to be worth $18, can feel free to stay on the old server. maybe you might, I don't know, make new friends on the new server?

and as far as "Ghost town" servers, we also DO have housing limits. all large plots in Mist, and all but a single plot in Lavender Beds is currently taken on Jenova, which used to be one of the smallest servers. we just have a tighter knit community, and therefore complain less than the larger servers.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

ill be the first one you need to take a drink over.

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h/o, mixing my rum & coke irl

ok done.

i had a much longer post about this but basically, "jenova is out of plots too" is an even better counterargument to the absurdity of telling someone (or several someones) to spend $20-$500 to move to a server, potentially abandon statics, wreck raiding progress, etc just to get a freaking house, because not even that nuclear last resort works any more

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Originally Posted by Elim

That's not what I said. People simply need to be be patient(or move to a low pop. server, I suppose). Also it's hard to feel sorry for some people when they're aggressive and/or accuse house owners of this and that out of jealously. ;P

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The people should not have to pay $18 to get a in-game home that should of available for everyone from the start. I think people have been patient enough. Hasn't housing been talked about for some time? So I can understand people being upset. I wonder why they went this approach though. Seems like a rushed job. I'm sure it'll be tally-ho when or IF they release homes in Ishgard or anywhere...Just hope this time around it's not horribly planned like this one was
and a lot more people can snag a home.

Why can they just steal FFXI housing system... everyone in FFXI has a free room you can decorate, and do gardening inside. As well as free access to your own private little island where you can do much more, for FREE...

Yeah. I think we all seen the guy who is relatively new. No crafts to 50 who has millions. Claims he "plays the market." I believe SE should give us an instant sell option in which the house goes back on the market, player gets back 2/3 of the purchase cost minus the construction costs and/or an option to auction open houses, furnished or unfurnished. This would be a good incentive to liquidate your house, open up real estate, create a new gil sink, and perhaps create a stronger market for furniture. just my two gil..

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Originally Posted by Aivi_lo

Finally saved up enough for a small house but there are not any to buy. I should have just done rmt like everyone else to get enough. Play at your own pace, don't live your life on here...etc. No it doesn't support that at all. I'm angry and pissed off. I have a job and a family in real life. Why shouldn't I be able to work towards a house on here? All the housing junk they've been giving away with all the events I've been faithfully saving up until I could get my own house, well that's a nice kick in the face.


I've builta bridge for all you trolls

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i don't buy the "I hava real life" argument either.

when you spend time playing the game, you got to make priorities, and if buying a house isn't a priority with the time u got, then you won't make it. putting other stuff aside like relic, dailies or raiding to save money for a house it's perfectly doable. you just got to prioritize what you want.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

9 months may seem like a long time, but it really isn't.

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9 months is a lot of time. Certainly 5 years for example is even longer; but that does not make 9 months any less of a long time.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

I left this game for a bit over a year

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As did I. I don't have anything left from my legacy time as a result, apart from a bonus fantasia.
But that is fine with me, because after all it was I that decided to stop playing (whether by choice or not)

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Originally Posted by Verdan

people move on

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Aye, they move on. Moving on means letting go. I recently left WoW. Not the first time I've done so, but it took me 10 years to do while also deleting all of my characters. What would the point be in keeping my characters if I dont play?

In case I want to come back? In case you want to come back?
You didn't pay for the game for 9 months. Exactly on what basis do you assume that you have a right to hold game content ''hostage'' just in the case you might come back?

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Originally Posted by Verdan

They'll want a house if they had it, and it's an incentive for them to come back to the game

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If a house is that important for someone they will find a way to keep their house.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

This would hardly be an issue if plots weren't insanely limited. There are 1440 total plots in the game. Right now, there's 6,545 people playing the jumbo cactpot. These numbers don't work together.

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Why do you think plots are limited? Part of the reason is due to FC/personal sharing wards. But a huge reason as well is because a) people own multiple plots, and b) a lot of plots are owned by players that either make no use of their house or don't even play the game.(anymore)


Your number comparison of the cactpot and amount of plots is a poor argument. It actually shows a favorable amount of plots compared to the amount of actively playing people. Less then 1/5 of people even have the desire to obtain a house to begin with; and that includes those that only use it for the convienient teleporting/mb/gardening or ''just because''

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Originally Posted by starLivitation

i don't buy the "I hava real life" argument either.

when you spend time playing the game, you got to make priorities, and if buying a house isn't a priority with the time u got, then you won't make it. putting other stuff aside like relic, dailies or raiding to save money for a house it's perfectly doable. you just got to prioritize what you want.

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From what I can tell a lot of (smaller houses, and perhaps medium) are bought just for the sake of having a house rather then people really wanting one. Personally I wouldnt mind if they added something you had to do on a daily (for example, doesnt have to be daily per se) basis for 3 months to be able to buy a house at all. (regardless of its cost or size)
That wouldnt really help with the current plots, but with new plots it should give more of a chance for anyone that reaaally wants that house to obtain one, rather then someone that buys it and never uses it.

In other words, have it involve a grind that isnt gil related.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

snip of goodness

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You sir, are my new favorite person on these boards.

But yes, I've already said over and over my stance, and already posted my idea. But with regards to plots reseting, while it could be still only a small bandaid to the current housing crisis, here's my 2 cents, along with those of other people from other housing threads that explain the point perhaps better than I'll ever do.

If they did add the reset feature, you could prevent losing your house by simply not unsubscribing and actually USE the house plot you took from other potential owners. It's no matter how much effort you put into something. If you don't use it, you don't need it. 10-15€/$ a month is not that big of an issue to pay for to keep a house, or hell, just have an FC mate log in and actually use the house to keep it up. It's just really sad to me how many people don't seem to use their houses daily as I do. Wards are ghost towns at the moment (and the funny thing is that Yoshida said they implemented neighborhoods because players demanded them. I wonder where those are players now? Maybe waiting for their house still.)

It's nothing personal and I share owners' feelings, but remember that house owners consist of 2% of the population, so they're still a minority and the uprage wouldn't be that great, not bigger than the uproar that was had when housing and personal housing were first implemented. And most important of all, the efforts and understandable feelings of a few (like yourself) are not superior to the amounts of currently abandoned ghost houses of players that will probably never return that are right now in the oldest wards. I've made my searches and though I cannot put down names, I know there's at least 3-4 long abandoned FC houses in each housing areas as of now.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

I also agree with the post above mine. If losing a house after a few months of being completely inactive sounds unfair to some, leaving tons of ghost houses and stealing active people's chances to enjoy the house system sounds worse to me. No one can decide when people will be back or if they ever will, so it feels unfair to wait for them forever while other players are locked out of the content.

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Originally Posted by Maveree

Houses are a valuable, limited source, and don't think for a second that you were the only one who worked hard for one. In fact, the people who desire houses themselves worked just as hard and they can't get one because of people "AFKing for a few months." A "few months" is a "few" too many. It is VERY fair. Not fair is hoarding an unused house with no subscription fee and expecting homeless players to just ignore the horse in the room that is hoarding it for when you come back some day (TM). That's a pretty warped idea of what you think is fair there.

All the suggestions are great, and even if they only implemented the idea of having housing relinquished of those who don't use it, it'd be a great bandaid to slap on to the problem that active servers experience with the demand not being met with supply.

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I am not sure if this is true. But on certain servers where there was a lot of gil floating around people bought multiple smalls. They have more garden spots to have smalls then a medium and it cost the same. So if the garden market is a little off you will never see any activity. They could have at least locked it to account like free weddings where you need to register and pick a time.

Actually I like that idea as I type. You are on a waiting list and no reselling plots. When a small/medium or large becomes available you get 24 hours to pick it up. If you pass on it since you don't like the spot the next one on the list gets to bid. If they are going to keep the current system into 3.0 they need to think of someway to improve it. If they can not add adequate space.

So frustrating. We saved up the gil, we need more wards. Balmung is out of every plot of any size.

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Originally Posted by Aivi_lo

I'm I'm saying that's how it works for me. I don't spend my entire life on here and those are my reasons, my real life is not an excuse, sad you think it is. I can mention my life how I choose without you needing to censor it.

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I understand your frustration, but we all have lives..
I notice that you have 3 mage classes to lv 50 and not much in the way of gathering/crafting.. I assume your GSM lv 50 is meant for spiritbonding?
So you already know how to make the money in this game, you would've got your house if you just found that out sooner
Considering that, whoever happened to stumble upon it before you bought the house from underneath you. You don't need to assume that everybody else is a cheater / no-lifer to have gotten further than you.


Anybody who's worse player than me = Complete Noob
Anybody who's better player than me = no lifer

That's a toxic attitude :(

They should try to imitate LOTRO for housing. LOTRO is mostly an open MMO with not much instances (unlike FF XIV which has small instanced maps), and you can walk from the Shire to Rivendelle without entering into one, but their housing is like FF XIV with neighboorhoods, with numerous different sizes of houses in the neighnoorhood, with merchants NPCs, banks, where you can teleport to your guild or your house. And there when all the housing instances are full more are created instantly so all you have to do is wait a few days. So how come Turbine can pull it off with LOTRO when SE cannot with FF XIV? You can only get one house per account in LOTRO but all your alts can access the house.

That is another thing, SE should only allow one house per alt or account. Right now, some are buying numerous plots leaving none to the others.

I really loved my deluxe elf house in LOTRO and I'd like to get a small house here at some point but all the housing wards are full here on Gilgamesh. I admit I don't have the gils yet but that is because I'm burned out on crafting and gathering, that is what I did to get the deluxe house in LOTRO, but right now the idea of crafting/gathering make me wanna faint. I bought a personal room in our FC so at least I have that.

I hope Ishgard gets it's own housing area at some point.

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Originally Posted by Seif

I hope Ishgard gets it's own housing area at some point.

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While I hope we get Ishgard housing too, I -really- hope they fix the current problems before they have their team work on a new area.

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Originally Posted by Korbash

That is another thing, SE should only allow one house per alt or account. Right now, some are buying numerous plots leaving none to the others.

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Yeah, I know a person on Balmung who owns three small houses across her/his account... I was so annoyed to read that.

Looking to buy a large house.

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Originally Posted by Krevan

So frustrating. We saved up the gil, we need more wards. Balmung is out of every plot of any size.

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And not only is it out of every plot, but if you do try to find someone whose willing to give theirs up it's usually being sold for profit and not cheaply at that. I heard a friend gave their house to another acquaintance who then resold it for like 50 million, and it was simply a small in the Mists.

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