So, Mog station here we are

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Originally Posted by Celef

I really don't get how you can not have issues with a game that forces you to buy it, the expansions and pay a sub to access it and still sell you exclusive glamour in the Cash Shop.

I mean, I really, really don't get it, the outfit is basically the price of a month sub oO

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Because I don't have to buy it, don't feel the need to buy it, it doesn't give me an advantage, and there are thousands of free glamours in the game.

This thread will be more relevant when they start selling savage gear in the Mogstation.

If that happens, it's time to jet folks. Anyone that's played games like Perfect World, etc, knows how that's gonna end.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Never heard of it. That the new extreme? I still haven't done anything new in-game since I resubbed. :o

People seem to want nothing added to the mogstation, and when something is added there is a complaint thread. Specifically if it is something whichever OP at the time wants. Useless, since the mogstation is already here and people buy the items. It's not going away. "Could be added in-game".. it would never be added in-game, because these were created specifically for the mogstation.

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Yeah it's the new ex trial. Drops coffers for dyeable artifact gear.

IDC much about the mog station existing as long as they don't start pulling a f2p and putting like, actual gear and boosts and crap in it. Like, mounts that move faster than other mounts or whatever.

I mean some mog outfits do give exp bonuses but ehhh it's like up to level 30 and kinda small so it's odd but probably about as far as I'd like to see them go personally.

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Originally Posted by Celef

These are/were obtainable IN GAME while, you know, PLAYING the game we pay for so not the same thing at all

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Name one game, paid or not, that does not offer unique content available only to the cash shop. Or that locks certain in-game content behind premium services or currencies. The answer is none.

FF14 does not lock its content behind bs bit boxes or currency packs. Nothing you can buy on Mog can or will effect your game experience, beyond Jump Potions for obvious reasons. You can't buy weapons or power ups. More glams are available in the game than Mog Station even sells--I get not everyone can fork out 18 dollars every time Mog puts out new items but not everyone can do the content required for a lot of what exists in-game. I don't see near as much push back on that.

The level of difficulty of the content that would reward such a premium item is one that would would make it unavailable to me if not forever then atleast until the next expansion or even the one after that.

In any case. This will go on sale just like everything always does. You can wait til then to get it or just stew forever over something that is widely accepted practice in the gaming industry and is likely not going to change any time soon. I, for one, am going to shell out cash so I can look like a faerie. You do you.

/cryingMage

Just checking out Meoni's video on it and its gorgeous. I would love it for FuSoya here....please SE...let us clip those wings if we want, lol

I feel like OP is the kind of person that gets offended on behalf of other people.

Square would stop doing this kind of stuff if people stopped buying it. I feel that a lot of this blame being directed at Square over the Mog Station should also be directed at the people supporting this kind of thing. And yes, I've done it myself in the past and regret it now. The only thing I feel that should be on there is Fantasia, name change services, and jump/skip potions. Glam and mounts should all be earnable in game imo.

I'm surprised the head gear is visible on Viera!

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

I feel like OP is the kind of person that gets offended on behalf of other people.

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The criticism is completely legitimate and a lot of people feel the same way. I know I do. Squeenix is double dipping and it's a scummy move. Even if you look past that fact, then there's the fact that they're charging exorbitent prices for these pieces on top of that. That's not even getting into the fact that they are literally selling storage sp...sorry, RENTING storage space!

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

Name one game, paid or not, that does not offer unique content available only to the cash shop. Or that locks certain in-game content behind premium services or currencies. The answer is none.

FF14 does not lock its content behind bs bit boxes or currency packs. Nothing you can buy on Mog can or will effect your game experience, beyond Jump Potions for obvious reasons. You can't buy weapons or power ups. More glams are available in the game than Mog Station even sells--I get not everyone can fork out 18 dollars every time Mog puts out new items but not everyone can do the content required for a lot of what exists in-game. I don't see near as much push back on that.

The level of difficulty of the content that would reward such a premium item is one that would would make it unavailable to me if not forever then atleast until the next expansion or even the one after that.

In any case. This will go on sale just like everything always does. You can wait til then to get it or just stew forever over something that is widely accepted practice in the gaming industry and is likely not going to change any time soon. I, for one, am going to shell out cash so I can look like a faerie. You do you.

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Just because every company is doing it, doesn't make it right. Nor does it make it an accepted practice, because the only people who accept it are marketing suits and whales. Cash shops are anti-consumer, doubly so when you're already paying a monthly fee just to access the game.

Also, when was the last time the Mogstation had a sale on costume pieces or mounts? I haven't seen one sale on those items since I started playing.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

The criticism is completely legitimate and a lot of people feel the same way. I know I do. Squeenix is double dipping and it's a scummy move. Even if you look past that fact, then there's the fact that they're charging exorbitent prices for these pieces on top of that. That's not even getting into the fact that they are literally selling storage sp...sorry, RENTING storage space!

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Okay, why is your criticism legitimate and everyone else criticizing you folks of being a bunch of whiners about a non-issue not?

It's interesting that Savage gear is the sacred line that the cash shop should not cross for most people, when the common claim is that FF14 is aimed towards a casual playerbase and only a tiny percentage actually raids at Savage or above.

I'm not supporting gear in the cash shop at all, but curious why something that applies to something like 5% of players, that most don't care about and even admit on another thread here that they never intend to try it, is seen as no-go and "winning". While the greater majority of players collect glamour, minions, use retainers and participate in housing, but that's fine. Sometimes people use phrases like "you don't need vanity items", but do we need Savage gear? We don't even use gear in PvP here and logs break ToS so you can never show off your numbers.

So, why IS savage gear (that applies to hardly anyone) crossing the line, when vanity items (that apply to the majority) are all good?

I just wish they'd make in game stuff more interesting, it really feels like they're making stuff look worse every patch so people are tempted to glam with mogstation stuff.
Remember the primal gearsets from hw? Those had themes for each role that looked unique. Now everything is sloppy fabrics that look boring and similar on everyone.

I am 80% convinced that they know exactly what they're doing by putting more flamboyant stuff up on the mog and giving us boring outfits. Even the raid gear looks kinda meh in my opinion this tier. Remember coil gear? with the crazy wings and stuff? The alex gearsets? Those had a really cool theme going on. Yeah. I remember. I would not expect anything like that at all anymore because it's just going to go up on the mog while we get recolours, rags or basic armor.

Even the fashion leader thing from gold saucer didn't get one new piece of gear. What was the point of that again? We just got one set of spring gear and then no autumn, no winter, no summer... and then the mogstation has been pumping out stuff.

I don't mind cash shop items, I really don't and have bought stuff on there, but we need to have "cool" stuff in game as well otherwise it feels skewed. I mean look at the low quality of the bunny outfit(s) (if i can even make that plural cause all they added was a collar lol) and then look at this. They clearly had the time to make an outfit like that, so why give us 2 outfits that look identical from events? Seems a bit off. I wouldn't wear either, but you can clearly see the effort put in to each set. I mean remember the halloween event where we got that cute witch outfit and the broom and they added extra outfits to look like a different witch and ghost on the mogstation? Yes we had mog stuff, but the in game stuff was also up to par (imo)

That's all I have to say. Might sound harsh but it's how I feel.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

Okay, why is your criticism legitimate and everyone else criticizing you folks of being a bunch of whiners about a non-issue not?

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Are we taking to insulting people over their opinions now? I guess on one side we have the whiners and on the other fools who like to spend their money all willy-nilly.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

It's interesting that Savage gear is the sacred line that the cash shop should not cross for most people, when the common claim is that FF14 is aimed towards a casual playerbase and only a tiny percentage actually raids at Savage or above.

I'm not supporting gear in the cash shop at all, but curious why something that applies to something like 5% of players, that most don't care about and even admit on another thread here that they never intend to try it, is seen as no-go and "winning". While the greater majority of players collect glamour, minions, use retainers and participate in housing, but that's fine. Sometimes people use phrases like "you don't need vanity items", but do we need Savage gear? We don't even use gear in PvP here and logs break ToS so you can never show off your numbers.

So, why IS savage gear (that applies to hardly anyone) crossing the line, when vanity items (that apply to the majority) are all good?

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If I bought it, my fancy flowing purple robes dont give me an advantage but you wearing gear with killer stats gives you one.

Why do people always assume that stuff that is in the store would've come to the game naturally otherwise? no, it wouldn't have been made in the first place. Period

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

It's interesting that Savage gear is the sacred line that the cash shop should not cross for most people, when the common claim is that FF14 is aimed towards a casual playerbase and only a tiny percentage actually raids at Savage or above.

I'm not supporting gear in the cash shop at all, but curious why something that applies to something like 5% of players, that most don't care about and even admit on another thread here that they never intend to try it, is seen as no-go and "winning". While the greater majority of players collect glamour, minions, use retainers and participate in housing, but that's fine. Sometimes people use phrases like "you don't need vanity items", but do we need Savage gear? We don't even use gear in PvP here and logs break ToS so you can never show off your numbers.

So, why IS savage gear (that applies to hardly anyone) crossing the line, when vanity items (that apply to the majority) are all good?

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I can only offer you my personal theory here and that is that Savage gear is something that is associated with being earned and rewarded for skill - even by those who dont earn it themself. Its not only glamour its also a reward for highlevel content - and while I dont believe that people really "respect" that I do believe that it adds to the value of that gear in at least some minds - we can argue about wether or not thats really justified, but hey thats only my pet-theory anyways!

In regards to that added value that comes from Savage gear being earned with skill, I believe that even people who dont raid might like the idea that they could - and that they could earn that gear, so even if they currently dont have it, they dont want to see it devalued.

And lastly: Even people who dont raid seem to care a great deal about ilvl and stats at times. Its always puzzling to me if someone who doesnt engage in Savage or even EX-primals complains that tomestones are capped (so they cant gear multiple jobs) or that they cant upgrade their tomestone gear (considering that the crafted gear or even the dungeon gear of the current patch are always enough to run an expert roulette). So even if Savage isnt something most people are intrested in, a better ilvl is.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Are we taking to insulting people over their opinions now? I guess on one side we have the whiners and on the other fools who like to spend their money all willy-nilly.

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Nope! Just wondering why critiques are legitimate, but everything else is a white-knighting, offended excuse on behalf of SE.

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Originally Posted by Sabrenn

I just wish they'd make in game stuff more interesting, it really feels like they're making stuff look worse every patch so people are tempted to glam with mogstation stuff.
Remember the primal gearsets from hw? Those had themes for each role that looked unique. Now everything is sloppy fabrics that look boring and similar on everyone.

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I feel the opposite. I never liked the primal sets from HW and I love the raid gear this tier. I also think the fairy glam is clownish and find it funny that peole are getting worked up over a mumu with wings. It's all pretty subjective.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

It's interesting that Savage gear is the sacred line that the cash shop should not cross for most people, when the common claim is that FF14 is aimed towards a casual playerbase and only a tiny percentage actually raids at Savage or above.

So, why IS savage gear (that applies to hardly anyone) crossing the line, when vanity items (that apply to the majority) are all good?

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Is this a serious question? While not NEEDED (nothing in this game is needed because it's all pixels) Savage gear gives you in advantage that can be seen in game. You clear content faster, have higher health pools, and do more damage. Statless glamour does not give you an advantage in anything, not even Fashion Report.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

Nope! Just wondering why critiques are legitimate, but everything else is a white-knighting, offended excuse on behalf of SE.

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I think the onus is upon you to tell us why calling out Squeenix for obviously greedy business practices is not a legitimate critique.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Why do people always assume that stuff that is in the store would've come to the game naturally otherwise? no, it wouldn't have been made in the first place. Period

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Correlation does not equal causation.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

It's interesting that Savage gear is the sacred line that the cash shop should not cross for most people, when the common claim is that FF14 is aimed towards a casual playerbase and only a tiny percentage actually raids at Savage or above.

I'm not supporting gear in the cash shop at all, but curious why something that applies to something like 5% of players, that most don't care about and even admit on another thread here that they never intend to try it, is seen as no-go and "winning". While the greater majority of players collect glamour, minions, use retainers and participate in housing, but that's fine. Sometimes people use phrases like "you don't need vanity items", but do we need Savage gear? We don't even use gear in PvP here and logs break ToS so you can never show off your numbers.

So, why IS savage gear (that applies to hardly anyone) crossing the line, when vanity items (that apply to the majority) are all good?

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Because savage gear has the strongest stats on it available in the game while it is current and thus just buying the best gear available is skipping into pay-to-win territory?
Because vanity/glamour gear has no effect on gameplay/progress unless you intentionally wear it into content, in which case you're hindering everyone else?

If Savage/tomestone gear ever became directly purchaseable (i.e. buying the best possible current gear), kind of undermines the efforts of people who've had to get to that point right now with current tomestones or mastering difficult content. Why bother doing any current content if there was an option to just buy it with real money? Glamours don't make the game pay-to-win. It's pure vanity gear that you don't need to buy.

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Originally Posted by Sabrenn

I just wish they'd make in game stuff more interesting, it really feels like they're making stuff look worse every patch so people are tempted to glam with mogstation stuff.
Remember the primal gearsets from hw? Those had themes for each role that looked unique. Now everything is sloppy fabrics that look boring and similar on everyone.

I am 80% convinced that they know exactly what they're doing by putting more flamboyant stuff up on the mog and giving us boring outfits. Even the raid gear looks kinda meh in my opinion this tier. Remember coil gear? with the crazy wings and stuff? The alex gearsets? Those had a really cool theme going on. Yeah. I remember. I would not expect anything like that at all anymore because it's just going to go up on the mog while we get recolours, rags or basic armor.

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I personally prefer the stuff we have for free in-game. The stuff on the mogstation are too gaudy and costume-like.

Not only that, there's so much to choose from already that is free in-game, but I guess this is all just a matter of taste.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

I feel the opposite. I never liked the primal sets from HW and I love the raid gear this tier. I also think the fairy glam is clownish and find it funny that peole are getting worked up over a mumu with wings. It's all pretty subjective.

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You might think it's clownish, but at least it fits like clothes that FIT, not rags that have been draped on.
Tome gear then vs tome gear now for casters vs mogstation dress:

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...emale-Hyur.png
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...emale-Hyur.png
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...emale-Hyur.png

Outfit pictures credit to gamerescape website.

Like I said in my previous post, Might sound harsh but it's how I feel. You don't have to feel the same way, but saying we're just getting worked up over a mumu, is just condescending for no reason, don't need to talk us down as if we're children. I truly believe that a concern on quality going down is a valid concern since it doesn't seem to go down on the mogstation.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Also, when was the last time the Mogstation had a sale on costume pieces or mounts? I haven't seen one sale on those items since I started playing.

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They run a sale every summer that's 30% off almost everything. They exclude the newest items that were added and maybe a few other things. It's when I decide to stock up on mounts, minions, bardings and emotes and declare it a late birthday present to myself.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I think the onus is upon you to tell us why calling out Squeenix for obviously greedy business practices is not a legitimate critique.

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...how is making, and selling a Dress in the Cash Shop that wasn't in the game to begin with a Greedy Practice...?

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

/cryingMage

Just checking out Meoni's video on it and its gorgeous. I would love it for FuSoya here....please SE...let us clip those wings if we want, lol

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After looking at it a few times, I agree. This would be Killer Healer & Caster Glam if we could get rid of those wings.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

...how is making, and selling a Dress in the Cash Shop that wasn't in the game to begin with a Greedy Practice...?

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For me, it's the fact that we already pay a subscription fee to even play the game. On top of that, this game suffers from insane item bloat, but they can't give us another free retainer (but will happily charge you monthly for more). Add in a companion app that you can pay for to give you a (slight) leg up if you're a MB player. Then you have a rather large cash shop that is priced more in line with what a F2P game will charge you. Not all outfits are dyeable. Not all mounts are shared. Glamour items can't be stored in the armoire (but you can buy more storage, so who cares!).

I get that SE is a business, and they are generally out to make a profit. That's all fine and dandy. But then you have a game like XIV, and I personally find it be be severely lacking in a lot of ways - even compared to F2P or B2P games. People love to claim that cash shop funds are going back into this game, but where are we really seeing this? Why are server limitations constantly being blamed for why they can't implement someting? Why is housing such poo? Why are Viera & Hroth still unfinished? Why are we getting less dungeons, no deep dungeon, and whatever else has been cut recently? Why can't they fix these items....but still pump out outfit and outfit, and more emotes...all for the cash shop?

Perhaps there is some truth that there is in fact a separate cash shop team (has SE ever confirmed this?), but that's a relatively moot point to me. SE is still the one controlling all the various teams who produce anything for XIV. For how much money they seemingly pull from the playerbase, it's not reflected in-game IMO.

I know this is comparing apples to oranges but boy, if you people make a fuzz about this I don't want to see how you'd react to how Blizzard manages their ingame stores. Having a new outfit put in the store is not scummy business, it's literally just business, you lose NOTHING of the game if you don't have it - Having said outfit locked behind RNG on a lootbox you have to pay for, and/or is a limited time item is scummy business.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Does WoW actually have RNG lootboxes to buy? Genuinely asking - I've never touched the game. But yeah, those should be a thing for F2P games, and if WoW actually sells them, that's crap. However, just because a game may handle things worse, doesn't mean that XIV's cash shop is perfect.

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It's not perfect, but far from scummy. And as far as I know (stopped playing a few years ago already) WoW doesn't have lootboxes, but their other games all do.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I know this is comparing apples to oranges but boy, if you people make a fuzz about this I don't want to see how you'd react to how Blizzard manages their ingame stores. Having a new outfit put in the store is not scummy business - Having said outfit locked behind RNG on a lootbox you have to pay for, and/or is a limited time item is scummy business.

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Does WoW actually have RNG lootboxes to buy? Genuinely asking - I've never touched the game. But yeah, those should be a thing for F2P games, and if WoW actually sells them, that's crap. However, just because a game may handle things worse, doesn't mean that XIV's cash shop is perfect.

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Originally Posted by Ryphen

They run a sale every summer that's 30% off almost everything. They exclude the newest items that were added and maybe a few other things. It's when I decide to stock up on mounts, minions, bardings and emotes and declare it a late birthday present to myself.

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They also had one back in Winter and I /think/ one in the Spring? Generally I expect a sale every season or so - though the summer sale tends to be the biggest.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I know this is comparing apples to oranges but boy, if you people make a fuzz about this I don't want to see how you'd react to how Blizzard manages their ingame stores.

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So we're supposed to be happy with something we don't like because another company does it worse? lol?

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

For me, it's the fact that we already pay a subscription fee to even play the game. On top of that, this game suffers from insane item bloat, but they can't give us another free retainer (but will happily charge you monthly for more). Add in a companion app that you can pay for to give you a (slight) leg up if you're a MB player. Then you have a rather large cash shop that is priced more in line with what a F2P game will charge you. Not all outfits are dyeable. Not all mounts are shared. Glamour items can't be stored in the armoire (but you can buy more storage, so who cares!).

I get that SE is a business, and they are generally out to make a profit. That's all fine and dandy. But then you have a game like XIV, and I personally find it be be severely lacking in a lot of ways - even compared to F2P or B2P games. People love to claim that cash shop funds are going back into this game, but where are we really seeing this? Why are server limitations constantly being blamed for why they can't implement someting? Why is housing such poo? Why are Viera & Hroth still unfinished? Why are we getting less dungeons, no deep dungeon, and whatever else has been cut recently? Why can't they fix these items....but still pump out outfit and outfit, and more emotes...all for the cash shop?

Perhaps there is some truth that there is in fact a separate cash shop team (has SE ever confirmed this?), but that's a relatively moot point to me. SE is still the one controlling all the various teams who produce anything for XIV. For how much money they seemingly pull from the playerbase, it's not reflected in-game IMO.

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But still.....
...how is making, and selling a Dress in the Cash Shop that wasn't in the game to begin with a Greedy Practice...?

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

The criticism is completely legitimate and a lot of people feel the same way. I know I do. Squeenix is double dipping and it's a scummy move. Even if you look past that fact, then there's the fact that they're charging exorbitent prices for these pieces on top of that. That's not even getting into the fact that they are literally selling storage sp...sorry, RENTING storage space!

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And this is why we cant have nice things. People make silly arguments.

It's not double dipping if youre not forced to buy it. If they were charging 15 sub, then you need to pay an additional 5 to access the roulettes and dungeons, then another 5 to use mounts, etc. That would be your double dipping cause then it brings up what is the 15 for. But this is glamour. Thats it. And when you look at the MMO market, this isnt new. It's only scummy because you are under the impression your 15 a month guarantees you everything that SE makes for the game. That is a perception issue YOU have. SE never told you "Hey, pay 15 a month and its all yours." They never gave you that offer. So becoming angry that theyre making some items as a side purchase for people to choose to buy it silly as hell.

Let me put it this way: Do you become enraged when you visit a zoo and dont get every item in teh gift shop for free with your ticket purchase?

Oh and incase anyone forgot, in that thread I linked I was stupid and bored enough to go through the mogstation, and a vast majority of items on there are from past events, or achievable in game or account related. I even listed it out. So dont tell me that youre being 'jipped' content. Also in that thread, we talked about the price comparison. Point that was brought up: Fortnite emotes was 7 or 8? So is FFXIVs. WoW charges 20 to 30 for a recolored mount, FFXIV is charging 18-30ish for unique mounts. And not all those mounts are even that great. Unless someone can lay down the cold hard facts that show that FFXIV is charging unreasonably above market value averages, I am not particularly interested in the point of "Exorbitant" prices, as that is more an opinion of what you personally feel something is worth.

But tell ya what, if your worries are that theyll just put everything on the cash shop, then unsub. Because at that point you can honestly ask what is it that the sub is actually getting you.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Just because every company is doing it, doesn't make it right. Nor does it make it an accepted practice, because the only people who accept it are marketing suits and whales. Cash shops are anti-consumer, doubly so when you're already paying a monthly fee just to access the game.

Also, when was the last time the Mogstation had a sale on costume pieces or mounts? I haven't seen one sale on those items since I started playing.

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Why is this wrong? Cause you feel its wrong? Cause you feel youre entitled to everything made for the game? What is it? Because I dont know about you, but when I bought my sub, I was well aware of what it entailed. An occassional glamour or mount that ends up on mogstation doesn't surprise me, nor was that guaranteed to be given cause I have a sub. Again, this is you assuming you are entitled to things cause you have a sub. You paid to see the animals in the zoo at the door, so that doesnt mean you get to have everything in the gift shop without extra charge.

The people who accept it are just average people who think its a fair trade IF they think the price is worth it. Cash shops are not inherently anti consumer. Saying they are is, again, the whole issue with a zoo. Or a Stadium, or a theme park, or etc.

Because HEREs the real kicker - Do you think they would spend extra time and resources on content that would not generate them more income? If it was locked in at 15 a month, why would they spend money developing that robe? To get more people who are already subbed to the game to farm Titania? To draw in new players who wouldnt have access to that content for a while? What would be the plan?

Also Its been about a year I believe since they had mounts on sale. Not 100% but a few mounts were marked down in price, such as the two seater moogle mount, among others. So yeah, they do do it from time to time. They may do another sale come summer.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Are we taking to insulting people over their opinions now? I guess on one side we have the whiners and on the other fools who like to spend their money all willy-nilly.

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Whats it to you what people spend their money on. If they feel its worth the price, who are you to say they shouldnt buy it. While I dont want to get into the "You dont pay my sub" cliche, this is more appropriate use of "Its my money, Ill spend it how I see fit."

What makes this more foolish is that we know that youre not calling people foolish cause you think it's a bad item or investment. You call it foolish because people choosing to buy something goes directly against the end goal you want - Mogstation to not exist so you get all those items "for free".

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Whats it to you what people spend their money on. If they feel its worth the price, who are you to say they shouldnt buy it. While I dont want to get into the "You dont pay my sub" cliche, this is more appropriate use of "Its my money, Ill spend it how I see fit."

What makes this more foolish is that we know that youre not calling people foolish cause you think it's a bad item or investment. You call it foolish because people choosing to buy something goes directly against the end goal you want - Mogstation to not exist so you get all those items "for free".

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You obviously missed the joke. I don't care what people spend their money on, however the person I was quoting was referring to people who take issue with the cash shop as "whiners", so i figured I'd come up with something as nonsensical for those who take no issue with it.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

But still.....
...how is making, and selling a Dress in the Cash Shop that wasn't in the game to begin with a Greedy Practice...?

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It was apparently a greedy practice due to the fact it was not put in the game to earn in some manner.

Even though SE has said, I think in two live letters, could be wrong on that number, that the cash shop is a different team and all he can do is suggest. Which means that the people who work on cash shop things get paid via cash shop things not by subs since there a different entity. Which folks have already stated.

In short, if the cash shop folk produce it ends up the mogstation, the FFXIV team produce it than it ends up in game.

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Originally Posted by Arillyn

I think because people expect cash shops in free-to-play MMOs and they aren't keen on a cash shop in a subscription MMO.

Also, back in the day in 1.0 and early 2.0 before the cash shop existed - for event items you could just purchase anything you missed from the previous year event from an npc in-game during the next year's event. You can't do that now. If you miss it you have to buy it off the cash shop now.

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Actually you can still do this kinda, if you did the event in game you can talk to the Recompense Officer, who is next to the Calamity Salvager, in Limsa, Ul'dah and Gridania, and while they wont have the NEWEST stuff, they generally tend to have stuff from events from completed about a year and older. Like I can buy the spriggan attire there from last hatchling tide event. So you dont have to spend money on it from the mogstation, if you completed the event, only if your character never completed or did it.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

It's interesting that Savage gear is the sacred line that the cash shop should not cross for most people, when the common claim is that FF14 is aimed towards a casual playerbase and only a tiny percentage actually raids at Savage or above.

I'm not supporting gear in the cash shop at all, but curious why something that applies to something like 5% of players, that most don't care about and even admit on another thread here that they never intend to try it, is seen as no-go and "winning". While the greater majority of players collect glamour, minions, use retainers and participate in housing, but that's fine. Sometimes people use phrases like "you don't need vanity items", but do we need Savage gear? We don't even use gear in PvP here and logs break ToS so you can never show off your numbers.

So, why IS savage gear (that applies to hardly anyone) crossing the line, when vanity items (that apply to the majority) are all good?

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Because it will cause a horrible snowball effect that would be impossible to recover from. There is a reason why WoW despite everything (it's highs and lows) never did this same with FFXI.

If you could buy full ilv 500 gear for £100 people who raid would drop the game hard and fast because their time they spent learning mechanics clearing week after week(do bare in mind depending on what you need takes around 1-2 months in statics to fully gear and longer for pugs) is but a price tag away for people who never need to touch the content, with next to no one running the content SE would get the brilliant idea to just cut it out altogether as not worth it no more. Now tomestones are BiS so they sell that instead, now you get the people who will leave and just not enter dungeons or anything max level no need to it's short easy and but a simple pay to win system right there. So now tomestones become near irrelevant so what's next EX trial gear, crafting gear (invalidating crafters with cha ching), normal modes. It's a nasty spiral that you never want to be on if you want to be a successful MMO with longevity.

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Originally Posted by Wiccan026

It was apparently a greedy practice due to the fact it was not put in the game to earn in some manner.

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So then its not greedy, people just want things for free.

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Originally Posted by Celef

Back then when the Mog Station arrived some of us were already forseeing what was going to come.
We were insulted back then, literally but here we are my friends !

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/ec...jpg?1588061702

Is it a China exclusive ? Nop
Is it past event reward ? Nop
Is it SE, a small indie comapny, trying to milk us a little more like a korean F2P ? Yep

You don't want it, you don't buy it" too bad we don't have a fairy primal who could drop it as a costume like they did with 2B in the Factory...

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Heavy! The dust bunny mount was foreshadowing this and many called you lunatics for thinking it. But here we are now, glamours that cost more than the sub itself. We're slowly entering Blade and Soul territory. Definitely disappointed, unless this money is going to male Viera/female Hrothgar, then I would gladly buy it.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

You obviously missed the joke. I don't care what people spend their money on, however the person I was quoting was referring to people who take issue with the cash shop as "whiners", so i figured I'd come up with something as nonsensical for those who take no issue with it.

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Well, then Im sorry I missed the joke. Thats my bad admittedly.

But I dont think it's far off base to call people complaining about cash shop as whiners at this point. The issue has been hashed out not even a month or so ago. This argument keeps coming up when SE puts something on the mogstation that people want for themselves but dont want to spend the money on, and then get worked up and put out silly as hell arguments about "Its anti consumer/SE is greedy/how dare they - I pay a sub" and so forth. It is whining at this point.

And to be absolutely fair - If people think cash shops are absolute cancer to games, and they straight up say "I personally will never buy anything from cash shops because I believe its bad for the gaming industry" and left it at that, Id disagree with their POV but atleast give them basic respect for sticking by their principles and not feeding into a system they disagree with. But no, we get the tirades about how evil SE is and Cash shop is and how it must be stopped and if you dont agree with me youre just a shill/whale/apologist/whatever.

I can tell you, Ive done this. When Overwatch started moving in a direction I didnt agree with, I stopped buying the loot boxes out of principle. Did I want skins and emotes and sprays. D- Straight I did, as I made it a big habit to get every skin/decal/emote/etc for DVa. But I wasnt gonna give my money to support their development direction in the game among other policies. So if I can do it, then anyone can. You dont agree with cash shop, dont spend your money there. Simple as that. People should about what they tehmselves can do, and less about what other people are doing.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So then its not greedy, people just want things for free.

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I don't want things for free, I want consistent quality overall. When stuff in game looks lower grade than mogstation stuff it's an issue in my opinion.

Like someone else said, it's subjective, but you can look at my post on page 7 and judge for yourself how much effort has been put into each outfit.

I don't mind if they put cute things on mogstation that look cool and different, I just want the in game stuff to have that same quality.

If we had caster outfits that had the same attention to detail, I'd be 100% fine with this dress. But no, they gave us floaty shoulder pads with square cuts and huge rivets. It's not like that gear is coming out of Eulmore, you know, the place that's supposed to be super fancy where we see super fancy people walking about with their servants......................