Requesting Information on Jobs: Preparing for 1.21

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Originally Posted by Starlord

With every argument, everyone has a potential to be right and wrong. I was just stating how FF has always been, if it has a little twist with "Very limited cross-classing" then that's cool I suppose.. it still makes Jobs Unique without having that " Freelancerish" feel to it. Either way, I will love it.. and if thats the case.. then this may likely happen:

-Classes= Mostly able to Cross-class
-Jobs= Very Limited cross-classing
-Advance jobs= No Cross-Classing

Which I would be fine with that also :P.

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so would i. don't get me wrong my posts weren't about being an argument. it was just more of a thing where i question how many limits they will have. i don't mind either way as long as the jobs themselves play completely different from each other and don't feel like they are the same thing holding different weapons.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

@ Starlord:

A Job will be unable to cross class skills that belong to other jobs. That much is obvious, being that each job skill is exclusive to said job.

A job is a specialized version of the one class that it stems from. A PLD is a special GLA, a MNK a special PGL, etc. The secondary classes are there to add flavor, an extra requirement to make some sort of sense in the direction in which the primary class is specializing.
So a PLD is not cross classing skills from GLA and CNJ. A PLD is a GLA with access to unique job skills and equipment. Possibly even traits, though that hasn't been disclosed.

It is confirmed that Jobs will be able to cross-class, but that it will be very limited in comparison to classes themselves. Either the number of skills one can cross class will be limited, or the classes from which each job can take skills - or what I believe will be the case which is both.
So PLD will perhaps be able to equip abilities from CNJ and MRD, but nothing else.

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In short, just like FFXI with Main/sub just a different version of it.

I wonder if the sub-class will be tied to the quest missions...man I hope not I don't want to rank my gladiator past 15.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I wonder if the sub-class will be tied to the quest missions...man I hope not I don't want to rank my gladiator past 15.

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I think the way it works is you need the primary and secondary at 30 and 15 respectively for the first quest. Once you finish that quest you unlock the job. The job matches the level of your primary class, which will be at least 30. After that the quests at 35, 40, 45 and 50 will be based on the level of the job, not any of the classes.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

I think the way it works is you need the primary and secondary at 30 and 15 respectively for the first quest. Once you finish that quest you unlock the job. The job matches the level of your primary class, which will be at least 30. After that the quests at 35, 40, 45 and 50 will be based on the level of the job, not any of the classes.

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your job will be ranked along with your class that unlocks it. if you are a r50 gla you get r50 pld. you will not get its abilities without completing the quests though. if you are r35 gla you will be r35 pld. as you rank either pld or gla both the class and the job levels will increase together. no matter the level of your pld you have to complete the quests to unlock its abilities.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

your job will be ranked along with your class that unlocks it. if you are a r50 gla you get r50 pld. you will not get its abilities without completing the quests though. if you are r35 gla you will be r35 pld. as you rank either pld or gla both the class and the job levels will increase together. no matter the level of your pld you have to complete the quests to unlock its abilities.

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Yes but the question Noctis was answering was whether or not we'd need to continue leveling the lower of the two required jobs to continue questing.

I.e. will the minimum levels be:

• CNJ30 GLA15 (Stone, First Skill)
• CNJ35 GLA17 (Second Skill)
• . . .
• CNJ50 GLA25 (Final Skill)

or

• CNJ30 GLA15
• WHM35 [i.e. CNJ35] (Second Skill)
• . . .
• WHM50 [i.e. CNJ50] (Final Skill)

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Originally Posted by Mychael

Yes but the question Noctis was answering was whether or not we'd need to continue leveling the lower of the two required jobs to continue questing.

I.e. will the minimum levels be:

• CNJ30 GLA15 (Stone, First Skill)
• CNJ35 GLA17 (Second Skill)
• . . .
• CNJ50 GLA25 (Final Skill)

or

• CNJ30 GLA15
• WHM35 [i.e. CNJ35] (Second Skill)
• . . .
• WHM50 [i.e. CNJ50] (Final Skill)

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I vote for this way.. makes much more sense... and I love the fact that if they do it this way.. it add challenge to get the skills you desire.

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Originally Posted by Mychael

Yes but the question Noctis was answering was whether or not we'd need to continue leveling the lower of the two required jobs to continue questing.

I.e. will the minimum levels be:

• CNJ30 GLA15 (Stone, First Skill)
• CNJ35 GLA17 (Second Skill)
• . . .
• CNJ50 GLA25 (Final Skill)

or

• CNJ30 GLA15
• WHM35 [i.e. CNJ35] (Second Skill)
• . . .
• WHM50 [i.e. CNJ50] (Final Skill)

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if i am not mistaken all the quests will be unlocked through the class that unlocks the job since its skill level is based off it. i could be mistaken, but i don't think the secondary(if they plan to have one) is going to have any bearing on the class besides unlocking them.

the reason i stated if they still have one if because once yoshi stated the gla30/mrd15 for unlocking pld, but later he mentioned they would be on a 1 to 1 basis so it may just be gla only to unlock pld. i know he stated in the future he wanted to have jobs that took multiple classes to unlock them, but i think that is for jobs in the future and not the jobs coming out this patch.

once again though we don't have all the up to date info on that so it's all just us guessing on what the final product is.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

a30/mrd15 for unlocking pld, but later he mentioned they would be on a 1 to 1 basis so it may just be gla only to unlock pld. i know he stated in the future he wanted to have jobs that took multiple classes to unlock them, but i think that is for jobs in the future and not the jobs coming out this patch.

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Bay posted the level requirements for each job, there is indeed a secondary class. :< Confirmed that we need both to unlock, but what happens to the "secondary" class after unlocking remains to be seen.

Of the two I mentioned, I can imagine both. The first case would be best if the secondary class is directly tied into how we play our job, i.e. if we can use ONLY GLA/CNJ abilties on WHM, or if cross-classes from GLA are enhanced, I would like that GLA continues to be required.

But if GLA is only part of the lore for the unlock quest and has little to do with playing the job, I only want it to be part of the unlock quest, not the remaining job quests.

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Originally Posted by Mychael

Bay posted the level requirements for each job, there is indeed a secondary class. :< Confirmed that we need both to unlock, but what happens to the "secondary" class after unlocking remains to be seen.

Of the two I mentioned, I can imagine both. The first case would be best if the secondary class is directly tied into how we play our job, i.e. if we can use ONLY GLA/CNJ abilties on WHM, or if cross-classes from GLA are enhanced, I would like that GLA continues to be required.

But if GLA is only part of the lore for the unlock quest and has little to do with playing the job, I only want it to be part of the unlock quest, not the remaining job quests.

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ok yeah i agree with you then. i hadn't seen the post on the jobs classes required to unlock. if that's the case it could be whm could only use the skills from con/gla. i wouldn't mind if it's that method. i'm glad this is the last week and we will get all info on the patch.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

your job will be ranked along with your class that unlocks it. if you are a r50 gla you get r50 pld. you will not get its abilities without completing the quests though. if you are r35 gla you will be r35 pld. as you rank either pld or gla both the class and the job levels will increase together. no matter the level of your pld you have to complete the quests to unlock its abilities.

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I know that, I kinda made this thread lol.

I was referring to whether or not there will be a requirement of level for the sub-class when it comes to the higher level quests.

By making it so the 35, 40, 45 and 50 quests are based on the job level, they can effectively make it so only the primary class level matters. Thus, you won't need to level the secondaries beyond 15.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

I know that, I kinda made this thread lol.

I was referring to whether or not there will be a requirement of level for the sub-class when it comes to the higher level quests.

By making it so the 35, 40, 45 and 50 quests are based on the job level, they can effectively make it so only the primary class level matters. Thus, you won't need to level the secondaries beyond 15.

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yes, my apologies i had not seen the bay post when i posted that. the last thing i had heard wasn't set in stone about the secondary requirements. i was thinking on it as only the main class mattered. i'm not sure though.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I don't think the job system will fully come into its own until they add a 2nd job for each class.

This won't happen until the first expansion though most likely.

If they don't go down that path then they may as well just remove classes completely and just have jobs because they don't seem that much difference anymore.

I would be happy with either scenario

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This ... oh my frikkin God this...
I was thinking this on my way home... this is what I was going to post... thats funny...
Like word for word I was going to say this

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Originally Posted by Darkhaund

I hope you are wrong... if jobs are not stronger than classes this is epic fail

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I agree...
But here is the one statement that sums it all up

"Paladin is better than Gladiator the same way a Level 50 Gladiator is better than a level 40 gladiator"
Simply put... WHM just gives you the next abilities that you'd expect a CNJ to get and so on

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

cross-classing the classes is one of the things i actually really enjoyed about this game.

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Agreed... DP, Did you like my post #403 of this thread? I pretty much put your philosophy in writing

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Agreed... DP, Did you like my post #403 of this thread? I pretty much put your philosophy in writing

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well you already know the opinion i have on jobs as they are being released. a white mage is just a conjurer with 5 new abilities they cannot cross class.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

well you already know the opinion i have on jobs as they are being released. a white mage is just a conjurer with 5 new abilities they cannot cross class.

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Yea... a WHM has the abilities of a level 60 CNJ with the stats of a level 50 CNJ

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Yea... a WHM has the abilities of a level 60 CNJ with the stats of a level 50 CNJ

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This would make sense if we got all five abilities at R50. For those who are already R50 it will feel like you're gaining more levels. But for those who are <30, it will be more like the old guild marks, where you have to unlock certain abilities every 5 levels before you can use them..

Just sayin <3

And thank god these quests won't just be spamming the same levequest for more guild marks. T_T

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Originally Posted by Mychael

This would make sense if we got all five abilities at R50. For those who are already R50 it will feel like you're gaining more levels. But for those who are <30, it will be more like the old guild marks, where you have to unlock certain abilities every 5 levels before you can use them..

Just sayin <3

And thank god these quests won't just be spamming the same levequest for more guild marks. T_T

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I never looked at it from that point of view (of someone actually ranking up and unlocking jobs at 30)
you're right...
People would hate me if I was Yoshi.,.. but I would have waited until I had 2 contrasting jobs for each class before releasing them

Even if that means "Wait for 2.0"

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Originally Posted by Mychael

This would make sense if we got all five abilities at R50. For those who are already R50 it will feel like you're gaining more levels. But for those who are <30, it will be more like the old guild marks, where you have to unlock certain abilities every 5 levels before you can use them..

Just sayin <3

And thank god these quests won't just be spamming the same levequest for more guild marks. T_T

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but what we are saying is that with white mage, the only job for conjurer, it is doing the exact same job as a conjurer does. it is going to be the main healer in party. if a conjurer had 2 jobs it turned into, but did 2 different things as a class then it could be considered specializing. like rydin pointed out earlier.

if thm did dot's and nukes then black mage would specialize it at nuking and green mage would be for dot's
conjurer if it did debuffs and healing then it could have 2 jobs it specializes.

the problem is they removed the secondary options from the classes for the jobs to specialize in with the ability changes last patch. to me the classes should be more of do the beginnings of what the jobs do, but not as well and the jobs make them go in a specific route. instead the classes are the exact same thing as the job is, but with 5 less abilities.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

but what we are saying is that with white mage, the only job for conjurer, it is doing the exact same job as a conjurer does. it is going to be the main healer in party. if a conjurer had 2 jobs it turned into, but did 2 different things as a class then it could be considered specializing. like rydin pointed out earlier.

if thm did dot's and nukes then black mage would specialize it at nuking and green mage would be for dot's
conjurer if it did debuffs and healing then it could have 2 jobs it specializes.

the problem is they removed the secondary options from the classes for the jobs to specialize in with the ability changes last patch. to me the classes should be more of do the beginnings of what the jobs do, but not as well and the jobs make them go in a specific route. instead the classes are the exact same thing as the job is, but with 5 less abilities.

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he is agreeing with us more or less... he's just saying for someone ranking up... they wont even get the satisfaction of getting all 5 abilities at once....
but the point is, yea... WHM is a CNJ and CNJ has always been a white mage
the two are not job/class... they are synonymous

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Originally Posted by Rydin

I never looked at it from that point of view (of someone actually ranking up and unlocking jobs at 30)
you're right...
People would hate me if I was Yoshi.,.. but I would have waited until I had 2 contrasting jobs for each class before releasing them

Even if that means "Wait for 2.0"

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Yeah.. the other problem that concerns me is people trying to level. What if one of the more useful spells/abilities is R30 or 35?

It'll be no big deal to us current players, because we've gone how long now without them. But when the "fresh" servers happen with 2.0, I'm afraid that some skills might be required (by the community)--like in XI, if you got to whatever level without the scroll for an important spell, some people might complain until you just get a rep.

After the new players make their own servers/expectations, will people expect someone to leave after X level, level another job to 15, do the job quests, and then level more?

Something I liked about XIV was that even though having other jobs leveled was beneficial, I wouldn't get kicked for not leveling a job I hated (i.e. I didn't like BLM in XI, but WHM was my main. ...to be honest I stayed /anon with BLM10 until I hit WHM30 and unlocked SMN, then WHM/SMN ftw) or working my butt off for a scroll (Erase, anyone?). Also, in XIV there was no "YOU DON'T HAVE THIS?! WTF!" like when a WHM25 joined up without Cure II in XI. We also don't have to roll our eyes and ask people to leave when they don't have a scroll of Haste.

Not that I think this is an imminent issue, but I'm sure you guys that read the forums know that I (over)think of random sh** like this. >.>

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Originally Posted by Rydin

he is agreeing with us more or less... he's just saying for someone ranking up... they wont even get the satisfaction of getting all 5 abilities at once....
but the point is, yea... WHM is a CNJ and CNJ has always been a white mage
the two are not job/class... they are synonymous

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no they won't, but it's really nothing more than getting an ability while doing a class quest while ranking up. just use conjurer for example the jobs quests for getting the abilities is nothing more than having a conjurer quest at rank 30, 35, 40, 45, and 50 and the conjurer itself getting the ability.

i wasn't saying they were wrong, but just more of pointing out those quests would have been just as well put in as additional class quests since a white mage is just a conjurer with additional class specific abilities. there's no change in what it does at all since being a healer is all a conjurer does.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

The Convert ability for BLM alone will undoubtedly make a huge impact on their ability to cast more spells. More spells equals more damage, and Convert also goes toward alleviating the MP cost issue. And this is only taking into consideration ONE of the new abilities that BLM is getting.

So yeah, let's wait and see how things work before we call the whole system bunk, heh.

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Yeah we can wait. Just hope it's worth it.

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Originally Posted by Mychael

Yeah.. the other problem that concerns me is people trying to level. What if one of the more useful spells/abilities is R30 or 35?

It'll be no big deal to us current players, because we've gone how long now without them. But when the "fresh" servers happen with 2.0, I'm afraid that some skills might be required (by the community)--like in XI, if you got to whatever level without the scroll for an important spell, some people might complain until you just get a rep.

After the new players make their own servers/expectations, will people expect someone to leave after X level, level another job to 15, do the job quests, and then level more?

Something I liked about XIV was that even though having other jobs leveled was beneficial, I wouldn't get kicked for not leveling a job I hated (i.e. I didn't like BLM in XI, but WHM was my main. To be honest I stayed /anon with BLM10 until I hit WHM30 and unlocked SMN, then WHM/SMN ftw). Also, in XIV there was no "YOU DON'T HAVE THIS?! WTF!" like when a WHM25 joined up without Cure II in XI. We also don't have to roll our eyes and ask people to leave when they don't have a scroll of Haste.

Not that I think this is an imminent issue, but I'm sure you guys that read the forums know that I (over)think of random sh** like this. >.>

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now this one i can agree with. the only thing is say you hit 30 con in an exp party i don't see it coming down to you have to leave to get that ability for white mage to rejoin the party. the reason being is in exp parties the mobs die so fast and sp comes so quickly even just running class abilities i don't see that one ability making or breaking an exp party.

granted, if you ran con up to 50 and tried to join a high level event like ifrit i could see people wanting the main healer to have the white mage quests completed for those scenarios.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

now this one i can agree with. the only thing is say you hit 30 con in an exp party i don't see it coming down to you have to leave to get that ability for white mage to rejoin the party. the reason being is in exp parties the mobs die so fast and sp comes so quickly even just running class abilities i don't see that one ability making or breaking an exp party.

granted, if you ran con up to 50 and tried to join a high level event like ifrit i could see people wanting the main healer to have the white mage quests completed for those scenarios.

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Yeah like I said it's not a huge issue. It's just that for all of us, we do a chain of quests, in order. For new people, I'm afraid it will be more like... level 25-35, stop to get new spells, repeat. It was no big deal in XI because everything was slower, but in XI it will feel stupid to stop just to get a skill. Admittedly, I don't see any reason to need any new skills for exp parties, but that's why I said it would be more of an issue for thew newcomers--they won't have the bias of "we didn't ever need them before." But for some--invincible and benediction, especially--I could see it happening, even with us. Two less wipes/deaths, sounds worth it--especially since I don't anticipate any two hour recasts coming (though it could happen).

P.S. Sorry! >,< I've edited this post like a thousand times.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

no they won't, but it's really nothing more than getting an ability while doing a class quest while ranking up. just use conjurer for example the jobs quests for getting the abilities is nothing more than having a conjurer quest at rank 30, 35, 40, 45, and 50 and the conjurer itself getting the ability.

i wasn't saying they were wrong, but just more of pointing out those quests would have been just as well put in as additional class quests since a white mage is just a conjurer with additional class specific abilities. there's no change in what it does at all since being a healer is all a conjurer does.

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I agree with you there. The only reason I think SE chose to give us these jobs (instead of just adding the skills to the class quests) is because these will be skills that future classes cannot use. If Conjurer gets summoner (bad example probably), then SMN won't get Esuna, Benediction, or Regen. If they were just CNJ quests, then the future SMNs would b*tch about "WHY DIDN'T I GET THESE?!" All I was saying was that wheras Rydin had mentioned that the additional abilities would be like leveling further as whatever class, that it wouldn't even have that lustre for new players. It'll be part of the levelling process, not an additional bonus.

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Originally Posted by Mychael

I agree with you there. The only reason I think SE chose to give us these jobs (instead of just adding the skills to the class quests) is because these will be skills that future classes cannot use. If Conjurer gets summoner (bad example probably), then SMN won't get Esuna, Benediction, or Regen. If they were just CNJ quests, then the future SMNs would b*tch about "WHY DIDN'T I GET THESE?!" All I was saying was that wheras Rydin had mentioned that the additional abilities would be like leveling further as whatever class, that it wouldn't even have that lustre for new players. It'll be part of the levelling process, not an additional bonus.

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It's not only that. You are just focusing on the abilities here in term of jobs. What of armor and weapons? I think that the AF is job specific and not class specific. The CNJ can not use the WHM armor (as far as I know). Which SE can really play good with why you need to be a WHM in a party and not a CNJ (maybe armor gives 10% more healing? Thus making it more viable to be a WHM in a party)

This is just a WHM example, you can think and pick more examples from other jobs

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Originally Posted by HokSeven

It's not only that. You are just focusing on the abilities here in term of jobs. What of armor and weapons? I think that the AF is job specific and not class specific. The CNJ can not use the WHM armor (as far as I know). Which SE can really play good with why you need to be a WHM in a party and not a CNJ (maybe armor gives 10% more healing? Thus making it more viable to be a WHM in a party)

This is just a WHM example, you can think and pick more examples from other jobs

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While you're absolutely right, my personal preference is that the defining differences should be independent from gear. While gear can make a huge difference (i.e why WHM's Cure II/III could be higher than any other job in XI), I feel like a naked WHM should have a notable advantage over a naked CNJ. They do, in abilities, and that's why I seemed to focus on them.

I just had an idea, though--what if the Job Stone we equipped gave +10% Healing Potency, PLD job stone gave +10% Defense, etc?

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Gladiator and Paladin are the same thing... Paladin uses Gladiator Skills and IS for all intents and purposes Gladiator so leveling up as Paladin and Gladiator is exactly the same thing, you learn the same Gladiator skills. You just have to quest for the Paladin skills later.

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I believe that some people are under the misconception that you can level both jobs and classes. It has already been explained elsewhere that you can only level <earn Exp> Classes. The corresponding Jobs will follow along. The only improvements to jobs are the quests unlocking skills and JSE.

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Originally Posted by Rizon

I believe that some people are under the misconception that you can level both jobs and classes. It has already been explained elsewhere that you can only level <earn Exp> Classes. The corresponding Jobs will follow along. The only improvements to jobs are the quests unlocking skills and JSE.

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I'm just waiting for the threads to pop up day of update saying "OMG I CAN'T LEVEL UP DRG SINCE MY LANCER IS 50!? D:< KBDRJGRGKRGDRKKIQUIT"

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Originally Posted by Zahak

I'm just waiting for the threads to pop up day of update saying "OMG I CAN'T LEVEL UP DRG SINCE MY LANCER IS 50!? D:< KBDRJGRGKRGDRKKIQUIT"

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lol it's gonna happen, despite them having been very clear about how that works from the very beginning.

They can make a Topics post on lodestone pertaining to jobs, how they will work, and every detail that we know and don't know yet in it and right after the patch goes live we'll still see a handful of people raging with disappointment.

Though coattailing on that fact, the only reason it won't be leveled by normal means is because people cry about having to grind.

I didn't see this in the OP, but is something I'm curious about in ragards to event planning for my LS. Can we do the job quests in a party? or are they solo only content? I really liked doing the last story quest in a party, and am hoping at least part of the job quests can be completed similarly.

Since Yoshida is a lot less for catering to the anti-social/everything must be soloable MMORPG community it wouldn't surprise me if they were party based as a lot of new quests and the like allows you to actually do things in a party.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Since Yoshida is a lot less for catering to the anti-social/everything must be soloable MMORPG community it wouldn't surprise me if they were party based as a lot of new quests and the like allows you to actually do things in a party.

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IMO, he's right to do so. Solo in an MMO? No thanks! This isn't SWToR.

We'll see what they've actually done sometime this week i suppose though.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Though coattailing on that fact, the only reason it won't be leveled by normal means is because people cry about having to grind.

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Well it would make very little sense if we had to level the jobs separately given what they represent. It would be levelling the same classes again. No need for it at all. They can go ahead and add more classes and/or raise the cap for more grinding, not have us grind the same things again.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Since Yoshida is a lot less for catering to the anti-social/everything must be soloable MMORPG community it wouldn't surprise me if they were party based as a lot of new quests and the like allows you to actually do things in a party.

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I'm glad he is doing this. Soloing gets boring fast ; ;

I actually have to level up Conjurer to unlock Paladin when it comes out. Grinding up a job I really didn't even want to play. I never been the level up a whole much of jobs / have a bunch of alts in a MMO type of person. I rather just level 1 up and be good at that.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Since Yoshida is a lot less for catering to the anti-social/everything must be soloable MMORPG community it wouldn't surprise me if they were party based as a lot of new quests and the like allows you to actually do things in a party.

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If you look at almost any modern MMO you level up by solo questing or dugenons which have some kind of queue system to get in. Grinding countless mobs is not good game design and isn't popular with most people these days. The endless grinding is probably one of the reasons FFXIV lacks players.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I actually have to level up Conjurer to unlock Paladin when it comes out. Grinding up a job I really didn't even want to play. I never been the level up a whole much of jobs / have a bunch of alts in a MMO type of person. I rather just level 1 up and be good at that.

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Thats because in most MMOs you can't be more than 1 thing on 1 character... I think they are trying to get people to embrace that whole "be every class" concept

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Originally Posted by Zumi

If you look at almost any modern MMO you level up by solo questing or dugenons which have some kind of queue system to get in. Grinding countless mobs is not good game design and isn't popular with most people these days. The endless grinding is probably one of the reasons FFXIV lacks players.

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I think its viable. See some will want to quest to the cap. Grinding should be faster than questing though, maybe not per hour but by the fact that quests are either limited or on a timer.

The grind is not bad as long as the end destination is highly desirable.

If every review site, personal reviewer, blogger and gaming friend you knew all said this big boss was by far the best (And most fun) thing they'd ever seen in video gaming history but to fight it you had to grind for like 4 months to get to be able to fight it... then people wouldn't mind the grind at all because the end justified the means

Gladiator as a req for White Mage? Pugilist as a req for Black Mage? What are SE smoking? I would have thought CNJ30/THM15 would have been a better fit, and THM30/CNJ15 for BLM.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

This is why Videos/Information is stupid with this community.. always take things out of proportion before you actually "try" it.. I'm sure things are all different...

Just having the Ability to Cross-class alone.. makes this game way over powering.. I hope they ditch the class system eventually... being Cross-classing is really stupid.. and makes everything too easy :/

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No. Just no.

I don't see this as like even a new job but just an expansion on the old ones. A series of quests that give you 5 new abilities, and some job specific armor and weapon. Even with the 5 new abilities each of the jobs get they will probably play pretty much the same they do now.